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Post by wwefan78 on Mar 8, 2010 15:51:59 GMT -5
No one can deny RVD sure was/is over, but the man really can't wrestle per se or structure a match outside his obvious comfort zone. A typical RVD-match consists of sloppy kicks and punches, rolling thunder, frogsplash and the occasional vandominator. Unless he is working with a ring general who can call the match for him, it's pretty much same old same old.
I remember a hilarious story from back when RVD and Angle were a part the new ECW in 2006. Allegedly the two were booked to work a match and Kurt asked Rob if he had any ideas on what to do. To which RVD chimed in "Outside my sigsports and pointing to myself and don't really know anything else". Obviously Angle ended up leading the match and trying to get something more out of RVD in terms of storyteling and psychology, which (if you remember the-chair-sell-to the-face spot) is no easy feat, So to conclude NO I don't get what'so great about Rob, but obviously there is something there which makes the audience connect with him..
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Post by Natalya's Ass Fanboy on Mar 8, 2010 16:06:56 GMT -5
Sure, RVD has a moveset which he uses pretty much every match, but you could say that about pretty much everyone. To use that as an excuse to belittle him and his ability strikes me as incredibly petty, possibly even deceitful. there is something there which makes the audience connect with him.. His matches are exciting and he has the "It Factor" (coolness).
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Post by lostinacrowd on Mar 8, 2010 16:09:59 GMT -5
I think his laid back stoner image is a huge part of his success. A lot of people can relate to that. I remember seeing his name more than once in the High Times 100.
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Post by BK From WV on Mar 8, 2010 16:36:50 GMT -5
He's one of the most spectacular workers of all-time with one of wrestling's most awe-inspiring and unique offensive repertoires. Kicks, sloppy forearms, that "Rolling Thunder" thing, tossing a chair at a guy and kicking it, and a frogsplash are unique and awe-inspiring? Because that's pretty much all Van Dam's done since the Jerry Lynn matches that built his reputation. I agree 110%. I have never seen the appeal of the guy. He's very,very sloppy in the ring and has no mic skills whatsoever. Just because you can jump high on your frog splash doesn't impress me. I'm not dogging people for liking him because he was over. I've just never seen anything remotely spectacular about him.
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Post by Datalore on Mar 8, 2010 16:43:49 GMT -5
If RVD really wants to make a splash in TNA he needs to incorporate a few new moves to his wrestling arsenal. He had more of a move set in ECW. Kicks, sloppy forearms, that "Rolling Thunder" thing, tossing a chair at a guy and kicking it, and a frogsplash are unique and awe-inspiring? Because that's pretty much all Van Dam's done since the Jerry Lynn matches that built his reputation. I think iMPACT was being sarcastic.
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Post by Natalya's Ass Fanboy on Mar 8, 2010 16:48:39 GMT -5
I think iMPACT was being sarcastic. Nope.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Mar 8, 2010 16:52:42 GMT -5
Because he's ONE OF A KIND!
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I'll just be leaving now!
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Post by MCMGM on Mar 8, 2010 20:46:14 GMT -5
He has a nice ass?
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 8, 2010 20:51:19 GMT -5
Of course he'll be hugely over for 1: He's RVD and 2: It's the iMPACT Zone, Matt Bentley was over in the iMPACT zone. But yeah let's see what happens. Matt Bentley wasn't over in the iMPACT Zone. The Bentley Bounce was over in the iMPACT Zone.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Mar 8, 2010 23:26:07 GMT -5
He could have easily been the top guy in WWE if they hadn't held him down. 1: I fixed your slight spelling error; I'm just that way. 2: Held him down? Could have been the top guy? Excuse the f*** outta me? You're kidding right? You have to be. So you're saying that WWE didn't give him BOTH the WWE and ECW Championships? They gave him the ball, and he f***ing dropped it. It's entirely his own fault. He f***ed up. Nobody held him down and made him have the "controlled substances". Nobody did that to himself, but himself.
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Post by Fishbone is Marshall Law on Mar 8, 2010 23:28:10 GMT -5
Every time RVD farts, I get the munchies. I think that's pretty special....
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 8, 2010 23:30:17 GMT -5
What's so great about him? He knows how to get his ass kicked. First the Piledriver in ECw, then the RKO in WWE, now the merciless bat beating by Sting tonight.
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Post by corndog on Mar 8, 2010 23:42:32 GMT -5
Did RVD even sign a long term deal with TNA or is it just a one time deal? As far as complaining about his in ring work and promos, I always liked him, but I can see some of the complaints. His punches can be sloppy and his ring philosophy is inconsistent. However RVD is extremely popular, it's called charisma. Hulk Hogan had it and worked a very limited moveset, he had solid mic skills but certainly not the best. Also alot of TNA's fans are adults and were original ECW fans, so they want to see him. There are dream matches such as RVD vs Sting and AJ Styles that would sell ppvs. He will bring money into this company if booked correctly. Besides it's alot better than most of the "legends" and other wrestlers they have brought in. Seriously, the Nasty Boys, who cares, Val Venis, thank god he's gone, Mr. Anderson, not a big fan, Orlando Jones, once again who cares, and Ric Flair/Hogan just need to stay out of the ring, but their presence can help bring in viewers. As far as Hardy goes, he is popular, but do the kiddies that love him so much even know he's in TNA?
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Post by mysterydriver on Mar 8, 2010 23:44:54 GMT -5
He can take a baseball bat to the ribs better than many.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Mar 8, 2010 23:47:00 GMT -5
Honestly? He always entertains me. He's good-to-great in the ring and his character is unique in a world full of testosterone-filled rage-aholics.
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Post by Tim on Mar 9, 2010 1:09:57 GMT -5
He could have easily been the top guy in WWE if they hadn't held him down. 1: I fixed your slight spelling error; I'm just that way. 2: Held him down? Could have been the top guy? Excuse the f*** outta me? You're kidding right? You have to be. So you're saying that WWE didn't give him BOTH the WWE and ECW Championships? They gave him the ball, and he f***ing dropped it. It's entirely his own fault. He f***ed up. Nobody held him down and made him have the "controlled substances". Nobody did that to himself, but himself. Oh please. He had a little pot, hardly a big deal. Who cares if he got stopped by the cops? Nothing major came from it, so whatever.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 9, 2010 1:15:35 GMT -5
1: I fixed your slight spelling error; I'm just that way. 2: Held him down? Could have been the top guy? Excuse the f*** outta me? You're kidding right? You have to be. So you're saying that WWE didn't give him BOTH the WWE and ECW Championships? They gave him the ball, and he f***ing dropped it. It's entirely his own fault. He f***ed up. Nobody held him down and made him have the "controlled substances". Nobody did that to himself, but himself. Oh please. He had a little pot, hardly a big deal. Who cares if he got stopped by the cops? Nothing major came from it, so whatever. The quantity of the pot doesn't matter. It's the perception of the company that was important. WWE was in the middle of the biggest thrust of the Wellness Program, and their Champ got caught by the cops with an illegal substance. They couldn't have that PR threat hanging over them. So they did the right thing and cut him loose.
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Post by spec on Mar 9, 2010 1:48:31 GMT -5
The guy is unique, spectacular in the ring, very entertaining and has that laid-back coolness. Every single wrestler has a set of signature moves that they do in every match, the repetitive argument is moot. Should've been been WWE champ in 2002, he was ridiculously over. And they should've kept the new ECW title on him after the bust; the rebellious rogue outlaw champion for the extreme and edgy show. But of course that was a pale imitation of the original ECW which is why it was doomed.
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Post by celticjobber on Mar 9, 2010 2:11:47 GMT -5
For god's sake they have AJ Styles on the roster, there is no need for RVD because for all intents and purposes he was/is essentially the NEW RVD. He was the guy on the indies that was so awesome and had such cool moves which was the same thing people said about Mr. Robbie. One big difference, RVD was known for being very charismatic, IMO A.J. Styles has the charisma of a broomstick. And I wish I could put this into better words, but RVD's a very different "character" than A.J. Styles has ever been.
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Post by King Fox -1017 Bricksquad on Mar 9, 2010 2:25:38 GMT -5
RVD is the most overrated wrestler ever,
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