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Post by Bubble Lead on Mar 10, 2010 14:01:13 GMT -5
The best thing about Van Dam is he is one of the most over guys in pro wrestling right now.
His sporadic returns in WWE the past few years, he got as loud or louder reactions than any of their top stars.
He turned Sting heel just by getting a beating from him in the ring. Thats how over he is.
HUGE pickup for TNA. Like Hardy, he has detractors but in the end any of his negatives are outweighed by the many huge benefits he brings to the show.
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Post by Above Average on Mar 10, 2010 14:09:37 GMT -5
To answer the question posed by the thread: Absolutely nothing.
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Post by Diamond Dallas Dom on Mar 10, 2010 15:01:07 GMT -5
Well you have to look at why he had the same match over and over and over. It was the same reason that just about any WWE guy at the time had the same match over and over and over again. It wasn't until about two years ago when WWE started hiring smaller guys like Punk that they have actually allowed their guys to really "wrestle" again and not in the so called WWE style. I don't buy that at all. There were a ton of guys in the time period where RVD was doing the same boring match every week, where they were going out and having different, entertaining matches every week. Guys like Guerrero, Lesnar, Angle, Benoit, The WGTT, Edge, et al..., were all kicking ass while RVD was spinning his wheels cutting lame promos(and no, WWE didn't kill his personality. Go back to the ECW tapes, he never had much to begin with) and having the same old same old match. Unless a ladder was involved, and then a frogsplash would come from the top of THAT. Which was a nice change....I guess. Lemme just say that RVD has been WAY over at any point in time (from either a personality perspective or a wrestling perspective) than the WGTT or Edge has ever been. You could probably even throw Lesnar in there if you don't count his UFC career. I could watch an RVD match in any form, doesn't matter if he does the same spots or not, he's just very fun to watch. And I think him not being able to cut epic promos adds to his "stoner, laissez-faire" attitude. BTW, what's with people criticizing people in their late 30s lately? Still seems like a good wrestling age to me. Jericho, Hernandez, and Daniels all fit into that category.
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Post by hollywood on Mar 10, 2010 15:05:34 GMT -5
For the record, I've no problem with RVD in TNA.
I just expect they'll blow it with him just like they always do. If they haven't already. (I dunno, depends on your point of view on his debut.)
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 10, 2010 15:07:40 GMT -5
I don't buy that at all. There were a ton of guys in the time period where RVD was doing the same boring match every week, where they were going out and having different, entertaining matches every week. Guys like Guerrero, Lesnar, Angle, Benoit, The WGTT, Edge, et al..., were all kicking ass while RVD was spinning his wheels cutting lame promos(and no, WWE didn't kill his personality. Go back to the ECW tapes, he never had much to begin with) and having the same old same old match. Unless a ladder was involved, and then a frogsplash would come from the top of THAT. Which was a nice change....I guess. Lemme just say that RVD has been WAY over at any point in time (from either a personality perspective or a wrestling perspective) than the WGTT or Edge has ever been. You could probably even throw Lesnar in there if you don't count his UFC career. I could watch an RVD match in any form, doesn't matter if he does the same spots or not, he's just very fun to watch. And I think him not being able to cut epic promos adds to his "stoner, laissez-faire" attitude. BTW, what's with people criticizing people in their late 30s lately? Still seems like a good wrestling age to me. Jericho, Hernandez, and Daniels all fit into that category. Wow.....I mean, I'll give you the WGTT, even though they were better wrestlers than RVD could hope to be on his best day, but to say that RVD was more over than Edge or Lesnar, that's just bias there.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Mar 10, 2010 15:15:17 GMT -5
Lemme just say that RVD has been WAY over at any point in time (from either a personality perspective or a wrestling perspective) than the WGTT or Edge has ever been. You could probably even throw Lesnar in there if you don't count his UFC career. I could watch an RVD match in any form, doesn't matter if he does the same spots or not, he's just very fun to watch. And I think him not being able to cut epic promos adds to his "stoner, laissez-faire" attitude. BTW, what's with people criticizing people in their late 30s lately? Still seems like a good wrestling age to me. Jericho, Hernandez, and Daniels all fit into that category. Wow.....I mean, I'll give you the WGTT, even though they were better wrestlers than RVD could hope to be on his best day, but to say that RVD was more over than Edge or Lesnar, that's just bias there. Come on now.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 10, 2010 15:30:26 GMT -5
I find it amazing how people are judging the guy. Yeah he is 39. What's the point? So is Kurt Angle but he still one of the best. Now I love how this judgement came from one match that was 30 sec. long. How can you judge what one can do in 30 sec? So talking about how he was at tbe
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Post by erisi236 on Mar 10, 2010 15:48:58 GMT -5
How many other ECW guys can still go in the ring like him, is still over as him or is still in as god of shape as he's in?
Serious question by the way, there might be that I'm not thinking of.
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Post by Chinny Reckon on Mar 10, 2010 15:59:02 GMT -5
Seriously, I'm the only one who thinks he has a nice ass? No, he does, he definitely does.
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Post by Diamond Dallas Dom on Mar 10, 2010 16:10:43 GMT -5
Wow.....I mean, I'll give you the WGTT, even though they were better wrestlers than RVD could hope to be on his best day, but to say that RVD was more over than Edge or Lesnar, that's just bias there. Not in the least. Look at the time period RVD was over in compared to the time Edge is in now. He had the Rock and Austin to contend with and still managed to be over. There's just no comparison at all. Same with Lesnar, who was headlining in the downturn of wrestling's popularity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2010 16:29:11 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan, but I'll not deny the man his ability to get himself over. Lame E Rob even got humungous pops. It just works.
I get RVD, it just doesn't work for me.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 10, 2010 16:39:36 GMT -5
I can't imagine he'll be there long-term anyway.
Might be good to spark some interest a little bit, but I can't see him sticking around for months/years.
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Post by Robbymac on Mar 10, 2010 16:50:29 GMT -5
Rob Van Dam was never at any point as over as Edge is/was at his peak. That's insane.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 10, 2010 16:58:23 GMT -5
He's good to have around because any guy who hates his theme can say "Well, at least I don't come out to RVD's music."
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Post by comahan on Mar 10, 2010 17:00:56 GMT -5
I think RVD was always as over as Edge is now, really. Thats not to say hes better, cause I think Edge is better, but RVD has always been over like rover
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 10, 2010 17:28:23 GMT -5
Yeah you can say what you want about RVD, but saying he's never been as over as Edge ( to use an example given) is just silly.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Mar 10, 2010 18:15:27 GMT -5
What is so great about Rob Van Dam? Currently nothing. At one time he was unique and different, his offense was fresh and looked good and, he seemed to care. Now guys like him are a dime a dozen, "his" moves are done by damn near indy guy and several in WWE and TNA and most times better than he ever did them and, he has said he doesn't care (sorry, "lost his passion") and was only doing things that paid well or had a light schedule. In WWE he got real sloppy because people got sick of him hurting them in ring and was big reason he was "held down".
I guess in short, he is another guy living off his ECW fame.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 10, 2010 19:08:43 GMT -5
Yeah you can say what you want about RVD, but saying he's never been as over as Edge ( to use an example given) is just silly. Depends. He's been over like crazy, yeah, but I don't think he's reached the mountaintop like Edge, at least not at his prime amount of heat. Still, though, he's gotten close at his own best.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 10, 2010 19:33:41 GMT -5
RVD in late 2001/early 2002 was INSANELY over.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 10, 2010 22:53:46 GMT -5
What is so great about Rob Van Dam? Currently nothing. At one time he was unique and different, his offense was fresh and looked good and, he seemed to care. Now guys like him are a dime a dozen, "his" moves are done by damn near indy guy and several in WWE and TNA and most times better than he ever did them and, he has said he doesn't care (sorry, "lost his passion") and was only doing things that paid well or had a light schedule. In WWE he got real sloppy because people got sick of him hurting them in ring and was big reason he was "held down". I guess in short, he is another guy living off his ECW fame. You must not watch RVD TV. RVD did loss his passion or better terms burned out from wrestling. Jericho was the same thing. That is why RVD for two years after his WWE deal was up. He stayed away from wrestling. Did he train and stay is shape? yes. RVD always been big about being in top shape. Last year RVD started touring again. He never said if he if did. Show me where RVD said it himself that he doesn't care about wrestling and is only there for the "light" schedule and paycheck. Like RVD is show short on money right now. Light Schedule yeah he is in TNA for that over the WWE because he wants to see his wife. That's understandable. I love the fact that so many people here here is judging so much about RVD when he only had a match that was maybe 30 seconds. Still gets on here and says he the same old match "boring" guy. Yeah RVD is going to do the same moves. Why does that seem so surpising to anybody? When 90% of every wrestler in every match do the same moves. Show me a John Cena or HHH match where there doing moves so different compared to any other match. Every wrestler has a set of moves that go for in every match. But yet if RVD comes in and does the five star, Rolling thunder, and ext. It so horrible because its the same moves. Tell me how is that different from anybody else? RVD is going to be fine in TNA bottom line. He going to give a decent match each time that allows it. He still in great shape. So what if he 39. The Undertaker is 44. Last year at 43 he had the match of the year with HBK who is how old? Kurt Angle is around the same age. Maybe a couple years older. Angle still is one of the best damn all around wrestlers in the business today. Hell when Ric Flair was 39 he was still the top heel in the business at that time.
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