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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 14, 2010 12:44:26 GMT -5
We all know the old heel referee angle? But when was the first time some promotion tried that? When and who was the referee?
If I had to guess, I think it would have happened in Memphis, back in the old days Memphis was the place that experement and break from the norm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 12:52:29 GMT -5
May not have been the first, but according to "Pain & Passion: the History of Stampede Wrestling" book, Bruce Hart cooked up Sandy Scott; a ref who sided with the heels/was blatantly biased against the Hart Brothers, sometime in the early-80s. He was fired because of visa issues stemming with solicitation of an under-aged girl.
Word had it, a few years later (with help from Bruce, and possibly Bret Hart himself - considering he was the beneficiary of the idea) "Danny Davis: Heel Referee" was born in the WWF.
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Post by bigjohnstudd on Jun 14, 2010 13:12:28 GMT -5
Yeah, the heel referee was a staple of Bruce Hart booking.
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on Jun 14, 2010 14:49:27 GMT -5
Yeah, the heel referee was a staple of Bruce Hart booking. So I'm assuming then that the heel ref's used a lot of ball shots to end the matches? |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jun 14, 2010 14:52:07 GMT -5
Dangerous Danny Davis, Screwjob Earl Hebner, & Distracted Nick Patrick would be the greatest heel ref stable of all time.
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Post by neal on Jun 15, 2010 4:42:00 GMT -5
In Argentina's Titanes en el Ring, they had a heel referee named William Boo. This was in the 1960's.
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Post by ANTLOL on Jun 15, 2010 7:07:52 GMT -5
The first I can remember was Nick Patrick, but as I see in this thread there have been others. Nick Patrick however was the greatest heel ref there ever was, since he REALLY ruined things in what was the greatest storyline of wrestling from the 90s to today. Man, I hated him for screwing the WCW guys over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2010 8:19:14 GMT -5
Dangerous Danny Davis, Screwjob Earl Hebner, & Distracted Nick Patrick would be the greatest heel ref stable of all time. It would be the only heel ref stable of all time too. |
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jun 15, 2010 8:36:49 GMT -5
Heel referees are always fun to watch
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Post by TripleMerc on Jun 15, 2010 22:17:10 GMT -5
In Argentina's Titanes en el Ring, they had a heel referee named William Boo. This was in the 1960's. HOW DO YOU KNOW SO MUCH?! |
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Post by ICBM on Jun 15, 2010 22:21:09 GMT -5
In Argentina's Titanes en el Ring, they had a heel referee named William Boo. This was in the 1960's. HOW DO YOU KNOW SO MUCH?! Trust us old farts. I myself yield to Neal's emense wrestling accumen. Seriously the kids in the TNA and WWE boards should just shut upand listen the second he enters a thread...if he ever went there. I sometimes wish we old farts had a badge in here that commanded such deference |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2010 8:57:56 GMT -5
"I may not know Abraham Lincoln, but I know ABOUT him." But somewhere at some time, a man comes along who knew Abraham Lincoln...
You just sit under the learning tree and just listen. (Even if you're like me, considered one of the "older fans".)
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Post by Shameful_Lobsterhead on Jun 16, 2010 12:35:57 GMT -5
Wasn't Tommy Young a heel ref for a certain time in the NWA?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2010 13:27:32 GMT -5
Has there ever been a full time/semi full time masked ref? If there were a masked heel ref that would be great.
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Post by toonami4life on Jun 16, 2010 16:12:45 GMT -5
Teddy Long was also a heel referee before he became a manager.
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Post by neal on Jun 16, 2010 16:26:01 GMT -5
HOW DO YOU KNOW SO MUCH?! Trust us old farts. I myself yield to Neal's emense wrestling accumen. Seriously the kids in the TNA and WWE boards should just shut upand listen the second he enters a thread...if he ever went there. I sometimes wish we old farts had a badge in here that commanded such deference I gave up trying to drop science on the WWE and TNA boards long ago. Doesn't matter that I've been a wrestling fanatic since the 1970's (and a third generation one at that), doesn't matter that I've been involved in promoting shows since the mid-90's, doesn't matter that one of my current business ventures is in the wrestling industry...some fourteen year-old know-it-all will believe he know's better than me, and speaking as a former fourteen year-old know-it-all, that makes me feel old as well as make me despise my fourteen year-old self. He was such a smartass. |
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Post by repomark on Jun 16, 2010 19:52:05 GMT -5
May not be the first in history, but certainly the first I remember was Dangerous Danny Davis.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 16, 2010 20:00:09 GMT -5
Wasn't Tommy Young a heel ref for a certain time in the NWA? No they tease it in 87 after a controversal Dusty Rhodes / Tully Blanchard match in June 1987, the post match Tommy Young got a little testy at the criticism from the announcers and fans. Jim Crockett said it was going to investigate him, but nothing came of it. Of course there was his run as a NWA referree in the NWA invasion angle on the WWF in 1998. Personally I didn't think he did anything healish, all he did was inforce the over the top rule and Earl Hebner got all bent out of shape about that. It is the NWA rule, so what is Earl's problem? |
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Post by ICBM on Jun 16, 2010 21:36:54 GMT -5
Trust us old farts. I myself yield to Neal's emense wrestling accumen. Seriously the kids in the TNA and WWE boards should just shut upand listen the second he enters a thread...if he ever went there. I sometimes wish we old farts had a badge in here that commanded such deference I gave up trying to drop science on the WWE and TNA boards long ago. Doesn't matter that I've been a wrestling fanatic since the 1970's (and a third generation one at that), doesn't matter that I've been involved in promoting shows since the mid-90's, doesn't matter that one of my current business ventures is in the wrestling industry...some fourteen year-old know-it-all will believe he know's better than me, and speaking as a former fourteen year-old know-it-all, that makes me feel old as well as make me despise my fourteen year-old self. He was such a smartass. I have decided to give up on posting in the TNA boards so many times I lost count but I love the product past and present so I stick around. I gets frusrtating. Once not all that long ago a kid posted that there is no such thing as "telling a story" in a match. He inferred it's all spots and a finish. I typed a great example that had happened the week before on Impact and gave a Hogan/Andre story board. It got no-sold wosre than Brody in an indy main event. One day maybe they will learn but I too was a spot lover once upon time too so I do understand thier stance. I'll tag old fart threads for us old bastards once and a while and thanx for the pic |
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Post by neal on Jun 16, 2010 22:42:17 GMT -5
Asked around and found out that the first heel ref may have been as early as the 1930's. I'll post up any info once I get it.
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