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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 7, 2010 10:07:31 GMT -5
The marketability of AJ, Joe, or Pope has nothing to do with it. TNA's complete inability to stick with a coherent face champ is. I know people on WC get bored with the "boring strong face" concept but it's really the only way to create a marketable mainstream face. None of the three you mentioned have had a continuous push as "the face of the company".
None of this has anything to do with Storm, whose problems with TNA were for other, smarkier reasons. I just noticed TNA's lack of a dominant face was a stunning excuse as to why their PPVs have never been lifted out of the mire.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 7, 2010 10:14:14 GMT -5
What jumping to conclusions? I was talking about his boycott, which focused on the point he's making about the chair shot and the whole pill argument that he links to others. Wait, why the hell is this an argument?! His boycott was about more than the chair shot and pills. That was one of the things that bothered him about iMPACT. You said in your inital post in this thread that Lance was boycotting iMPACT for two reasons: the chair shot and the pills. I was saying that read too much into that because Lance clearly stated there were many, many things that made him stop watching iMPACT and that the chair shot was just especially appauling. So what? you want to turn this into another discussion of impact? Is that it? Do you really think Lance, talking about the death of friends and the dangers of the business, gives one damn about who went over who on the show at this point?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 10:18:41 GMT -5
His boycott was about more than the chair shot and pills. That was one of the things that bothered him about iMPACT. You said in your inital post in this thread that Lance was boycotting iMPACT for two reasons: the chair shot and the pills. I was saying that read too much into that because Lance clearly stated there were many, many things that made him stop watching iMPACT and that the chair shot was just especially appauling. So what? you want to turn this into another discussion of impact? Is that it? Do you really think Lance, talking about the death of friends and the dangers of the business, gives one damn about who went over who on the show at this point? Of course he doesn't - that's why he didn't want to talk about it. But he didn't boycott iMPACT just because of the chair shot - there were a multitude of reasons which you didn't acknowledge in your first post. There were a multitude of other reaons, not just because of points 1 & 2.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 10:23:36 GMT -5
Chairshots don't bother me when used in moderation, actually get kind of annoyed with all of the complaints, but there are plenty of other reasons to boycott Impact (for instance, the ending segment of a show being centered around four women opening boxes).
Still, so long as it puts an end to all of the "Lance Storm never outdrew Steve Austin! What does he know about wrestling?!" bits, I support it.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 7, 2010 10:26:12 GMT -5
So what? you want to turn this into another discussion of impact? Is that it? Do you really think Lance, talking about the death of friends and the dangers of the business, gives one damn about who went over who on the show at this point? Of course he doesn't - that's why he didn't want to talk about it. But he didn't boycott iMPACT just because of the chair shot - there were a multitude of reasons which you didn't acknowledge in your first post. There were a multitude of other reaons, not just because of points 1 & 2. But why are you focusing on that? It's obvious that Lance's main point was the health issue, or he wouldn't have made it almost all of his article.
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Post by hollywood on Apr 7, 2010 10:30:35 GMT -5
Of course he doesn't - that's why he didn't want to talk about it. But he didn't boycott iMPACT just because of the chair shot - there were a multitude of reasons which you didn't acknowledge in your first post. There were a multitude of other reaons, not just because of points 1 & 2. But why are you focusing on that? It's obvious that Lance's main point was the health issue, or he wouldn't have made it almost all of his article. Probably because it was the final straw?
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Post by erisi236 on Apr 7, 2010 10:50:03 GMT -5
Hmmm, every single guy that's ever put on the boots has taken 100 chair shots and how many of them have died of concussions verses how many guys have died of Steroids or prescription drug abuse due to just the strain from 100 regular bumps a night for 10 years?
You can easy get a concussion from nearly every professional move, every time your back is hitting that canvas your head is bouncing around, and how many guys have been crippled for life just taking things like scoop slams and snap suplexes, honestly.
Hell, my biggest complaint would be that this Rob/Homicide thing was a straight rip off of a Hardy/Lesner thing from a few years ago when the two of them did the exact same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 10:53:40 GMT -5
Of course he doesn't - that's why he didn't want to talk about it. But he didn't boycott iMPACT just because of the chair shot - there were a multitude of reasons which you didn't acknowledge in your first post. There were a multitude of other reaons, not just because of points 1 & 2. But why are you focusing on that? It's obvious that Lance's main point was the health issue, or he wouldn't have made it almost all of his article. I was just pointing out there were other reasons when you said that he only had two. Those two were the main points of his article, but Lance stated on Wrestling observer live that there were tons of other stuff that made him decide to stop watching iMAPCT.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 11:16:48 GMT -5
There are more than enough people on here who like TNA, and they will let you know it quite thoroughly when you encounter them. Kind of like how all the Lance Storm defenders will agree with everything the man says because he 'rassles real good?' I do find the irony in people complaining about how people who watch wrestling can't book wrestling better than Lance, because he used to wrestle. Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan used to wrestle and I see those same people bitching about their booking all the time. Lance Storm, Raven, Dreamer, were some of the unofficial creative writers of ECW helping Heyman out. So he still did book more then all of us and has acclaim. Anyways chairshots to the head are stupid imo. But if the guy can take it then go for it. Someone like Balls Mahoney has a really thick skull apparently and he would rather take a hard chair shot to the head rather then the back because it would hurt his back more then his head. But everyone can't be Balls Mahoney and nobody should really try experiment to see if they can take a unprotected chairshot to the head without suffering concussion consequences. Also concussions are a serious injury. I had couple of concussions before about 3 years ago and I suffered constant headaches and other post concussion injuries and symptoms for 2 and half years straight. I still am suffering some of it but it's not as serious it back then. Plus I think one of the reasons why I've been getting better other then time is by playing tetris or brain games online at least 5 minutes everyday. So basically what I'm saying is that I wouldn't ban chairshots to the head if it was protected by your hand, but I would ban unprotected chairshots to the head unless you can prove that you won't suffer brain damage and have a skull thick as Balls Mahoney does. Also I remember hearing on how the most dangerous move to the head in wrestling is the guy who receives a top rope crossbody. Edit: Also TNA should of waited a week or two if they were going for that chairshot. The timing was pretty bad.
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Post by dpg on Apr 7, 2010 11:37:49 GMT -5
But why are you focusing on that? It's obvious that Lance's main point was the health issue, or he wouldn't have made it almost all of his article. Probably because it was the final straw? Then why make so much about it?
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Post by dpg on Apr 7, 2010 11:38:32 GMT -5
Also, why does the chair shot have anything to do with Kanyon? Hundreds of wrestlers have taken chair shots, he wasn't the only one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 11:42:34 GMT -5
Also, why does the chair shot have anything to do with Kanyon? Hundreds of wrestlers have taken chair shots, he wasn't the only one. Hooray for logical fallacies! What does a bullet have to do with someone getting shot? Thousands are bullets are fired every year and most of those bullets don't end up in people!
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 7, 2010 11:48:27 GMT -5
The thing is, chairs had nothing to do with Kanyon's death. It was ruled a suicide by overdose. No chairs were involved.
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Post by dpg on Apr 7, 2010 11:53:02 GMT -5
Also, why does the chair shot have anything to do with Kanyon? Hundreds of wrestlers have taken chair shots, he wasn't the only one. Hooray for logical fallacies! What does a bullet have to do with someone getting shot? Thousands are bullets are fired every year and most of those bullets don't end up in people! That's even more of a logical fallicy, if your shot and die of your wounds then the bullet killed you. No-one knows what Kanyon died of yet, but Lance takes Rob Terry being given a chair shot as somehow insulting as it has to do with Kanyon?
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Post by angryfan on Apr 7, 2010 11:53:40 GMT -5
The thing is, chairs had nothing to do with Kanyon's death. It was ruled a suicide by overdose. No chairs were involved. Here's the logic. Driving at high speeds is dangerous. Someone has a job wherein they drive fast for a living. They get into an accident, and the injuries they sustain are treated and they are given pain medicine. They wish to get back as quickly as possible to doing the job they love, so they juice up on the meds they were given, only to get into another accident. Eventually, after many accidents, they are completely hooked on the pain meds. They don't have anymore accidents on the job, but wind up overdosing on the meds they became hooked on. All of this is directly related to that first accident because of the pressure to "get back out there and work".
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Post by Tapout on Apr 7, 2010 11:55:20 GMT -5
Reading through this thread, I have to say: I find it really, really disappointing that there's an actual argument of some kind going on here. Like people can look at the long list of dead people and actually feel there's something that can be disputed.
I'm sorry, but that's really sad, you guys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 11:56:56 GMT -5
The thing is, chairs had nothing to do with Kanyon's death. It was ruled a suicide by overdose. No chairs were involved. I think a lot of it has to do with the link between head trauma and increase in suicidal tendencies. Kanyon took a lot of chair shots to the head like everyone else, but he also suffers from Bi-Polar disorder and it probably didn't help. It was a combination of things, but I don't think it was a case of TNA being insensitive about Chris' death (though I thought the chair shot was stupid just for storyline purposes) but more about people in the business who knew Chris and thier feelings about head trauma. I It was unintentional bad timing. I mean, I think we're all forgetting that Lance actually knew Chris and was probably friends with him, so lets all go a little easy alright? On that note - Alternate post - Don't read this part. {Spoiler}What?!?! You think he was STANDING when he took the pills! Sinister your anti-Chair bias has gone too far!
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 7, 2010 12:05:23 GMT -5
Well, there's that, and there's a massive amount of criticism of one person whose "crime" is that he simply doesn't want to watch Impact anymore.
We seriously don't need five pages based on "Lance isn't watching Impact anymore".
If a person doesn't like a film or book, they don't get hundreds of posts flaming them for their opinion on here. Why then does "I'm not watching TNA anymore" get such a negative response?
Its even worse when half the criticism of TNA isn't from the "WWE is always better than TNA" school, alot of it comes from people who were genuine fans of the TNA product who are now feeling alienated. If certain parts of the fanbase are this bad at taking criticism (even from former fans!) it really doesn't speak well of the attitude of many TNA defenders.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 7, 2010 12:05:34 GMT -5
That list of names was the most startling part of the post. Sure we all knew way too many have died young; but to see a list in black and white like that is sobering.
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Post by dpg on Apr 7, 2010 12:07:24 GMT -5
Well, there's that, and there's a massive amount of criticism of one person whose "crime" is that he simply doesn't want to watch Impact anymore. We seriously don't need five pages based on "Lance isn't watching Impact anymore". If a person doesn't like a film or book, they don't get hundreds of posts flaming them for their opinion on here. Why then does "I'm not watching TNA anymore" get such a negative response? Its even worse when half the criticism of TNA isn't from the "WWE is always better than TNA" school, alot of it comes from people who were genuine fans of the TNA product who are now feeling alienated. If certain parts of the fanbase are this bad at taking criticism (even from former fans!) it really doesn't speak well of the attitude of many TNA defenders. Thanks for deciding what my attitude is for me, nice of you.
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