Abyss is currently the worst thing in wrestling

[Maniac Mitch]

May 18, 2010 10:18:24 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

May 18, 2010 10:08:51 GMT -5 erisi236 said:

I wouldn't mind something like that, have the Abyss character retired and have Chris Park just be himself.

Mankind --> Mick Foley, same thing and would be quite apt in fact.

Yeah, that would work. I was also reminded of the idea that some people had the the Eugene heel turn would have worked if the wrestler portraying him (forgot his real name) would have completely dropped the gimmick and admitted Eugene was a character who existed to get sympathy heat from the audiences.

I was one of those people. Do it like David Cross' guest star role on Just Shoot Me where he fell out of a tree and pretended to be handicapped so that people would wait on him hand and foot. It would have been instant heat and Nick Dinsmore would have been freed of the Eugene albatross.

The perfect place to do it would have been the ECW One Night Stand PPV. ECW was the perfect cover to throw off a one dimensional gimmick and push Nick Dinsmore into a more serious role. The original ECW did that all the time with guys like Matt Bourne(doing the awesome "Bourne Again" character) tossing aside their past gimmicks and recreating themselves.

Instead they had Sandman come out and beat a mentally retarded man with a stick, while a crowd cheered. We've come a long way haven't we?

ARRRGGGH! It still angers me today that they didn't do it. Instead a talented and charismatic wrestler was anchored to a gimmick that dragged his career under.

I would have even accepted having him pull a crayon out of his nose like Homer Simpson, anything at all to free him.

Abyss I see going down that same road. His character needs a major reboot in the worst way. I'm not saying he should turn back the clock and just go back to being the way he was when he first started, because that would ring false to his character's development. He needs to get back to being a serious threat in the ring and would require a serious heel turn and modification of his character. I don't see the point of making him mute again, since he's a pretty good talker, but they could slowly downplay the "slow" aspects of his character and start playing up the crazy aspects. Have him evolve into a guy who has some screws loose and is just plain unpredictable.

It's like Bubba Dudley with the stuttering skinhead gimmick when he first started. They slowly phased out the inbred redneck aspects of his character and started playing up the tough talking New Yorker aspect and it worked. As long as it's not a jarring 180 degree change of character, people will buy it.

[barley96]

Worst thing in TNA maybe, although I am meh to him. This is the worst thing in wrestling:

[Maniac Mitch]

May 20, 2010 23:21:21 GMT -5 barley96 said:

Worst thing in TNA maybe, although I am meh to him. This is the worst thing in wrestling:

And just what do you have against the Cruiserweight championship?

[erisi236]

At least Hornswoggle wasn't a rapist who they were trying to pass off as a "face".

[SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts]

What's the difference between Chris Park and Abyss? He'll still have the same look, he's fat and still would wear a shirt and pants. His promos gonna be the same with the same grating voice. His wrestling style isn't going to be vastly different.

[Michael Coello]

May 20, 2010 23:30:58 GMT -5 erisi236 said:

At least Hornswoggle wasn't a rapist who they were trying to pass off as a "face".

What does Heidenreich have to do with this?

[Orange]

May 20, 2010 23:21:21 GMT -5 barley96 said:

Worst thing in TNA maybe, although I am meh to him. This is the worst thing in wrestling:

Exactly what I was coming to post.

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

Yeah I agree with this. The sad thing is Abyss is a great big man worker. But TNA booking as killed what should been a great character. I don't blame just Russo. I blame everyone invold. It just he hasn't had really a good feud since before James Mitchell left him pre the whole "I'm your dad." angle. Mitchell was the perfect manager and match for Abyss. He was evil and a great talker. Abyss should still be that guy. Even as a face he still should be slient but huge threat.

But instead it one lame feud after another where he looks like an idiot everytime. I can't even remember the last time I took Abyss seriously and he was in a feud that he didn't look like a moron.

[GaTechGrad]

At least it looks like the ring SaGa is finally over, now that Abyss is feuding with Wolfe over Chelsea. I just hope they don't make Chelsea fall for Abyss like they did with Lauren.

[AriadosMan]

Horny is a comedy gimmick that shows up for 5 minutes and leaves. He doesn't ruin the main storylines or important matches anymore. In retrospect, the infamous Little People's Court was his last involvement with a truly major storyline.

In terms of the negative responses he gets on here, Abyss is comparable to only ONE current WWE wrestler...
www.youtube.com/watch#!v=HQoGRE6QPKw&feature=related

[poontangler]

May 20, 2010 23:21:21 GMT -5 barley96 said:

Worst thing in TNA maybe, although I am meh to him. This is the worst thing in wrestling:

You found that worse than this?

[AriadosMan]

Now here's a puzzler: who's worse, a midget who can't get beat up or a full-sized "wrestler" who legally couldn't wrestle?

[barley96]

May 21, 2010 0:27:43 GMT -5 poontangler said:

May 20, 2010 23:21:21 GMT -5 barley96 said:

Worst thing in TNA maybe, although I am meh to him. This is the worst thing in wrestling:

You found that worse than this?

I was refering to Hornswoggle himself, not him winning the Cruiserweight Title.

[comahan]

Im not usually one to be negative about anything, TNA or other feds, but Abyss is embarrassing right now. Its been a botched push from the start. And really, I feel bad for all parties involved, as Abyss is (typically) a very good big-man worker, and whoever's idea the push was (Hogan presumably) meant well. It just, bleh. Hasnt worked.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

May 20, 2010 23:53:51 GMT -5 GaTechGrad said:

At least it looks like the ring SaGa is finally over, now that Abyss is feuding with Wolfe over Chelsea. I just hope they don't make Chelsea fall for Abyss like they did with Lauren.

It's going to happen. It's an unwritten wrestling rule, the hot heel chick has to fall for the face that "wins" them. And she thought Wolfe was going to far with his attack on Abyss.

Abyss lands Chelsea and Lauren, how?

[Krimzon]

May 21, 2010 5:41:41 GMT -5 Jedi-El of Tomorrow said:

May 20, 2010 23:53:51 GMT -5 GaTechGrad said:

At least it looks like the ring SaGa is finally over, now that Abyss is feuding with Wolfe over Chelsea. I just hope they don't make Chelsea fall for Abyss like they did with Lauren.

It's going to happen. It's an unwritten wrestling rule, the hot heel chick has to fall for the face that "wins" them. And she thought Wolfe was going to far with his attack on Abyss.

TNA: We Are Stockholm Syndrome.

And about Hornswoggle, at least the WWE has had the sense to scale back his involvement. Now, he's relegated to comedy skits every so often instead of every week.

[poontangler]

May 21, 2010 0:45:08 GMT -5 barley96 said:

May 21, 2010 0:27:43 GMT -5 poontangler said:

You found that worse than this?

I was refering to Hornswoggle himself, not him winning the Cruiserweight Title.

Gotcha...we're on the same page now.

[ASYLUMHAUSEN]

Abyss, as a character, is a total f***ing travesty.

The WORST thing that ever happened was him talking, totally killed him as a hellbent monster seeking to utterly destroy everything in front of him.

So, yeah, I blame Russo for killing what should have gone done as one of the greatest 'Sadistic Big Man Heel' gimmicks of all time, regardless of Fed (yes, at one time, I was THAT big a fan of the gimmick.)

I really see absolutely no way this character can be salvaged and be any kind of believable monster heel again.

[Mesousa]

I'd rather have this Abyss than "no personality monster Abyss".

Sorry.