Heels in one era that be faces in another era

[horsemen4ever]

What characters / gimicks that were natural heels in one era, would be natural faces in another era, and vice versa what natural faces in one era that would be heels in another era.

Times change the audiance for the Golden era of the WWF in the 80's were different than the Attitude era.

For example Austin vs McMahon feud, I wonder if that happened in the 80's, the fans might have sided with Vince.

The Ultimate Warrior and his DO Gooder attitude would not have gotten over with the fans in the Attitude era.

I think a gimmick like the Spirit Squad would have been faces in the Golden era.

[N E O G E O B O Y S]

In no era Vince will be the face

It was basically the worker class champion against the boss who tried everything to screw him, the people feel so iddentified with Austin that he became the maybe biggest icon in wrestlinjg

[horsemen4ever]

Aug 10, 2010 18:56:58 GMT -5 N E O G E O B O Y S said:

In no era Vince will be the face

It was basically the worker class champion against the boss who tried everything to screw him, the people feel so iddentified with Austin that he became the maybe biggest icon in wrestlinjg

Yeah but back in the Golden era with the family audiance, the message was for people to obay by the rules and respect authority. That is why Jack Tunney was an objective authority figure who more often than not made the right decession though not always popular.

In the beginning McMahon was not an evi power hungry boss Mr. McMahon. He was some resonable and objective the first time he was Stunned. So if the fans who are taught to respect your parents and your teachers, say you prayers, might have saw what Austin did in a different light, and McMahon doesn't become Mr. McMahon which was due to the fans being against him.

[DavidArquette]

'Rocky Maivia' would have gone over better in the 80's.

[ANTLOL]

There is no way to turn the Undertaker heel today. while back in the 80s there is no way an old zombie with eyeliner would be a babyface.

That is the only example I could think of and it's pretty much a proven fact.

Wait. Ok. There is no way that CM Punk's gimmick would exist in the 80s where all babyfaces and their dealers were telling people to say no to drugs and not smoke. Yes I could imagine Punk in the 80s, but he'd:

a) be on steroids
b) not insult the audience
c) would not dye his hair black but blonde

He'd be a bleach blond surfer type steroid freak, who'd tell people how great the sXe lifestyle (if that existed, did it?) is and how people should follow it.

[BorneAgain]

Kurt Angle with some minor tweaks, could have been a huge babyface in the 80s.

[Mayonnaise]

Aug 11, 2010 0:46:22 GMT -5 ANTLOL said:

Wait. Ok. There is no way that CM Punk's gimmick would exist in the 80s where all babyfaces and their dealers were telling people to say no to drugs and not smoke. Yes I could imagine Punk in the 80s, but he'd:

a) be on steroids
b) not insult the audience
c) would not dye his hair black but blonde

He'd be a bleach blond surfer type steroid freak, who'd tell people how great the sXe lifestyle (if that existed, did it?) is and how people should follow it.

? ? ? ?

[MichaelMartini]

Kurt Angle would be over in the 80's. Anything pro-America was over.

Rapper John Cena would be over in the Attitude era, and Superman Cena would be over in the 80s, but not the other way around.

[celticjobber]

"Dr. D" David Schultz with his somewhat Stone Cold-life persona would've been over as a babyface in the Attitude era, as would Bad News Brown/Allen.

[Clawley Race]

vince would have been mega-over in the 80s, had they done it right. Upstart boss trying to save his company from a (technically) evil employee. Lets not forget that he would have Hogan backing him to create an amazing heel that wasnt just tall and fat

[Joe Neglia]

Today's fans would have turned on face Backlund pretty quick.

They probably would have also forced a Muta face turn during his JCP days.

[dizzy]

Aug 10, 2010 18:05:50 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

The Ultimate Warrior and his DO Gooder attitude would not have gotten over with the fans in the Attitude era.

Ultimate Warrior never had a do-gooder attitude. His agenda was to serve the gods above and feel the power of the warriors who had already made the sacrifice. He was never a traditional babyface.

I think Warrior would've worked fine in the Attitude era; bear in mind that he was involved in a brief feud with Goldust in 1996 in which he (Warrior) became the first WWF wrestler to have his language actually bleeped out on TV.

"Listen here, FREAK. Whatever you're into, I don't give a s***! You want a movie brother? How about me kicking your ass from beginning to end!"

Warrior was also the very first to talk about kicking people asses on TV, actually using those words. He also threatened to kick Jerry Lawler's ass at the King of the Ring.

Warrior certainly would refuse to grab his crotch and engage in degenerate behavior, but otherwise, he would've fit in just fine in the Attitude era. I always thought Goldust truly started the Attitude era with his envelope-pushing style, and Warrior a major opponent of his during that time.

[noleafclover1980]

Aug 11, 2010 3:03:36 GMT -5 dizzy said:

Aug 10, 2010 18:05:50 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

The Ultimate Warrior and his DO Gooder attitude would not have gotten over with the fans in the Attitude era.

Ultimate Warrior never had a do-gooder attitude. His agenda was to serve the gods above and feel the power of the warriors who had already made the sacrifice. He was never a traditional babyface.

I think Warrior would've worked fine in the Attitude era; bear in mind that he was involved in a brief feud with Goldust in 1996 in which he (Warrior) became the first WWF wrestler to have his language actually bleeped out on TV.

"Listen here, FREAK. Whatever you're into, I don't give a s***! You want a movie brother? How about me kicking your ass from beginning to end!"

Warrior was also the very first to talk about kicking people asses on TV, actually using those words. He also threatened to kick Jerry Lawler's ass at the King of the Ring.

Warrior certainly would refuse to grab his crotch and engage in degenerate behavior, but otherwise, he would've fit in just fine in the Attitude era. I always thought Goldust truly started the Attitude era with his envelope-pushing style, and Warrior a major opponent of his during that time.

Seriously... Warrior talked about crashing Hulk Hogan's plane for god sake. If anything, Warrior always had a dark, almost sinister edge to his character. He definately made a distinction about "the normals" as opposed to "the warriors".... and I think most of us were the normals.

[horsemen4ever]

Well this might be a bit off topic, but something that would translate different in the Attitude era. Randy Savage 1985 -87, his trick of using Elizabeth as a human shield wouldn't work in the Attitude era at least against the top babyface Stone Cold Steve Austin. He tried that against Austin, he would give her a stone cold stunner and it get a huge pop from the fans because Austin can do no wrong. And later on the samething with the Rock.

The standards of what fans wanted in a babyface were different. In the 80's it was unacceptable to hit a woman, at least someone like Elizabeth, but in the late 90's it was acceptable and even encourage.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

I don't know, if it was EXACTLY the same, and the heel coward Savage was throwing the unsuspecting Elizabeth at Austin, him hitting her wouldn't have gone down that well, he still had honour about him, like rescuing Stephanie, if the woman was innocent he would have gotten around it.

The difference is in the Attitude era all women were conniving evil bitches it was ok to hit.

[WhiteFu]

Corny 2010 Cena would be a big Kurt Angle-type heel in the attitude era.

[dizzy]

Aug 11, 2010 3:32:13 GMT -5 noleafclover1980 said:

Seriously... Warrior talked about crashing Hulk Hogan's plane for god sake. If anything, Warrior always had a dark, almost sinister edge to his character. He definately made a distinction about "the normals" as opposed to "the warriors".... and I think most of us were the normals.

Right... that's what I'm saying. He was too dark and "almost sinister" to ever be a do-gooder babyface.

[Woooooolhouse!]

For some reason, I think Akeem the African Dream- with his jive-talk and soul-dancin'- would have been a huge face if he were around in the current WWE. I don't know why... just a feeling.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Aug 11, 2010 13:56:41 GMT -5 Woooooolhouse! said:

For some reason, I think Akeem the African Dream- with his jive-talk and soul-dancin'- would have been a huge face if he were around in the current WWE. I don't know why... just a feeling.

Or in the attitude era, teaming with Rikishi and Too Cool.

[horsemen4ever]

Aug 11, 2010 10:44:34 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

I don't know, if it was EXACTLY the same, and the heel coward Savage was throwing the unsuspecting Elizabeth at Austin, him hitting her wouldn't have gone down that well, he still had honour about him, like rescuing Stephanie, if the woman was innocent he would have gotten around it.

The difference is in the Attitude era all women were conniving evil bitches it was ok to hit.

Well in his CO GM run I remember Stacy Keibler was in a similar situtation, a slave to Test and Scott Steiner. One time Austin saved her from them, they had a bear toast and Stacy either declined his offer for bear or couldn't drink down enough, Austin stuns her and gets a huge pop. It didn't matter, it didn't the fans felt about Stacy, the fans just loved Austin and he could do no wrong.

Anyway I am not saying the fans would love to see innocent Elizabeth get stunned, but there love for Austin trumps all, and they would justify Austin got to do what he has to do. Austin motto was "You get in my ring, you are in danger."

I say this if Elizabeth was a volunteery human shield which she has done a couple of times in Hogan / Savage matches when she blocks Hogan from wramming Savage into the ring post. She tried that with Austin in the Attitude era, he would not put up with that, and the Attitude era fans would understand that.