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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 9, 2010 11:42:38 GMT -5
I have to agree on the Iron Man match. I've ended up falling asleep every time I try to watch it.
I also agree on Savage-Steamboat. I enjoy the match, but it's just never seemed like one of the all time best to me.
Same deal with the first HBK/Taker WM match. I bought the DVD specifically because everyone had talked so well about the match, and when it was over, I just thought, "That's it? It was good, but is that all it takes anymore?" I haven't seen the second one yet, so I can't comment on that.
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Post by Shameful_Lobsterhead on Aug 9, 2010 11:48:35 GMT -5
HBK vs. Bret Hart -WM 12 (Reasons stated)
Savage vs. Steamboat (See Above)
Orton vs. Rey vs. Angle -WM 22
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Post by Bishblast on Aug 9, 2010 11:53:55 GMT -5
Warrior/Hogan , WM 6 Bret/HBK , WM 12 ( I'd put it at ****, great match, but overrated as an all time classic) TLC IV Austin/Rock, WM 15 Hogan/Sting, SC 97
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Post by proudcaucasian on Aug 9, 2010 12:12:15 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure NOBODY overrates Rock/Austin WM15 or Sting/Hogan Starrcade. I've NEVER seen anyone put those matches over to a high degree.
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Post by DavidArquette on Aug 9, 2010 12:18:12 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure NOBODY overrates Rock/Austin WM15 or Sting/Hogan Starrcade. I've NEVER seen anyone put those matches over to a high degree. I was thinking the same thing. The Rock/Austin match is good but could've done without the Mankind as referee and McMahon interefering, although it did make sense. Hogan/Sting was just awful, especially the finish and the downfall that it led to. I don't here any praise for either match though. Neither is underrated or overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 13:27:41 GMT -5
The three way dance from The Night The Line Was Crossed.
Yes, all three men were great wrestlers. The promos afterward were gold. It was historic in that it went 60 mins. to a time limit. However, the match itself is an overbooked mess. There's all kinds of run ins and things of that nature to stall and buy time. And the match itself is very slow paced, especially for ECW, which had a big hand in popularizing faster paced athletic matches in America.
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Post by dav on Aug 9, 2010 13:37:07 GMT -5
Bret-Owen and SS '94. Used the cage far too much to climb up and down without that much wrestling to cover it.
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Aug 9, 2010 15:09:39 GMT -5
Bret Hart vs British Bulldog, Summerslam 92 - Nothing in that match screams "epic" it's just a solid performance with a good story. If WWE are holding back from coming to Wembley Stadium to protect this match, I will dislike it even more. This. It was an okay match but it is really only remembered for atmosphere. I personally think there December 95 match blew it right out of the water (same thing with Bulldog vs. Owen for the European title) Edge vs. Undertaker Hell in a Cell is another one I think is extremely overrated. For two people who hate each other they spent WAY too much time setting up spots with ladders and chairs instead of beating the holy hell out of one another. The chokeslam to hell at the end was beyond stupid
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Aug 9, 2010 15:34:43 GMT -5
Awesome/Tanaka from One Night Stand. A few highspots do not make a great match.
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Post by Bald Bull on Aug 9, 2010 15:49:47 GMT -5
Everything from the original ECW. None of it holds the test of time. All of it is so hard to watch. Except Misterio/Psicosis
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Post by mybraveface on Aug 10, 2010 3:20:51 GMT -5
Savage / Steamboat probably gets alot of praise because, at the time, a match like was never done before (speed, high-flying / risking maneuvers etc.) or, at least, not done that often. Plus, it was W3, the hype, the glitz, the glamour etc. Made it even bigger. I think it's a classic, so SCREW 'YA THEN! (Just kidding folks) I think Warrior / Hogan @ W6 is a bit overrated. Pretty good match though, mainly in the drama / historic significance dept, but as far as technicality goes, could've been better (like most of Hogan's matches anyway). Same could be said for the Andre / Hogan W3 match as well, though that's a bit unfair to say, since this was, sadly, when Andre's health was beginning to decline and he wasn't as great as he once was. And, of course, the moment where Hogan slams Andre and the match gets its one and only real "pop". The moment they've repeated over and over.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 10, 2010 5:41:00 GMT -5
About 80% of the answers in this thread have been the Wrestlemania 12 Iron Man match. I don't think it can really qualify as overrated anymore, guys.
My choice: HHH vs. Shawn Michaes HIAC
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 10, 2010 5:51:43 GMT -5
The three way dance from The Night The Line Was Crossed. Yes, all three men were great wrestlers. The promos afterward were gold. It was historic in that it went 60 mins. to a time limit. However, the match itself is an overbooked mess. There's all kinds of run ins and things of that nature to stall and buy time. And the match itself is very slow paced, especially for ECW, which had a big hand in popularizing faster paced athletic matches in America. I agree its overrated in a pure wrestling standpoint, but thats not what makes the match. It was never the great one hour pure wrestling classic like Flair-Steamboat or Bret-Shawn (ignoring other peoples opinions of that for now) were. It was however a marvel of storytelling. It was the convergence of months of various different angles, feuds, characters and storylines coming together to tell one coherent and incredibly entertaining story in one match in a one hour time limit. Like I said, you can't look at it like Flair-Steamboat. You have to look at it more like Hogan-Andre at WM3. That match from a workrate point of view was horrible. But by taking advantage of a million little intangibles that were happening that night and telling an amazing story with there actions, you get a "classic" nonetheless.
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Post by H-Fist on Aug 10, 2010 10:14:10 GMT -5
The way people are talking about Hart/Michaels Iron Man, I think we have to delineate between overrated-for-the-time, and just plain overrated. Hart/Michaels was before ECW went sorta-mainstream and before the Attitude Era. At that time, WWF wasn't known for its longer matches. It was emerging from the New Generation/Kiddie Gimmick Era. And Bret was a ground-based wrestler, not someone who would pull out big high spots. Shawn, on the other hand, could go hold-for-hold with the Hitman, but also had that extra athleticism and agility. So by scheduling a 60-minute Iron Man match, the WWF was creating a novelty for its fans. They hadn't really seen matches an hour long too often, outside of some prior Royal Rumbles. Going in, the fans didn't know what to expect, so every submission hold and pinfall attempt, however rare, seemed like a legit potential finish.
We know now, of course, that it's a scoreless tie after 60 minutes. But no one could have conceived of that as it unfolded, especially with two guys as good as Bret and Shawn. The Iron Man from XII at this point in time necessarily gets compared by fans of longer matches to the ROH long matches, from the Samoa Joe-CM Punk trilogy in 2004 to the matches Bryan Danielson had with Roderick Strong, Nigel McGuinness, Colt Cabana and Samoa Joe. And there are others who admittedly aren't interested in seeing a wrestling match go that long, period. The sport has evolved a lot in 14 years, and that WMXII match today would need a few more high spots to work. Pseudo-submission weardown holds that generally get derided as restholds absolutely can carry a match. See the way Punk worked his headlocks against Samoa Joe at ROH World Title Classic in 2004. But compared to 1995, when Diesel and Mabel and Kama and Taker were getting pushed, well, workrate generally wasn't at an all-time high in WWF. The bar was set low. -------------------- I'm having a hard time thinking of an "overrated" match. I'm sure part of it is that there are well-loved matches I haven't seen. But I'll keep thinking on that one.
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Post by Shannon Gay on Aug 10, 2010 10:18:05 GMT -5
Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin WM13 Punk vs. Joe II Tyler Black vs. Davey Richards DBD8
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Aug 10, 2010 10:28:15 GMT -5
Add my vote to Michaels/Undertaker from two years ago.
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Post by BxB on Aug 10, 2010 10:41:33 GMT -5
I don't know how people are judging older matches on todays standard. Steamboat/Savage at it's time was one of the best matches of all-time because of the psychology and drama involved in the match. Sure there have been far better matches since then, but that doesn't make the match overrated. I know that sounds contradictory coming from a 22 year old that only saw the match years after it happened, but even then, I can still appreciate the story-telling abilities of Steamboat and Savage.
Having said that, Hart/Michaels is definitely overrated. The first 40 or so minutes are rather dull, and really take you away from the match. It's a good match, but not a measuring stick like WWF had you believe for years.
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Post by Jazzman on Aug 10, 2010 10:42:35 GMT -5
Put me down for Mysterio/Guerrero mask v. title at Halloween Havoc 1997. To sum up Rey's career in WCW in just that one match is stupid. He put on great matches at HH 96, WW3 96, and Starrcade 96 with Malenko, ultimo dragon, and jushin liger that don't get half the talk that his match with eddie did. All three of those matches were better efforts from Rey than Mask V title.
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Post by Saul Goodman on Aug 10, 2010 13:37:55 GMT -5
Flair vs Steamboat
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Post by The Verdict on Aug 10, 2010 15:27:43 GMT -5
Rock/Hogan... It should have been Austin dammit
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