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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 3, 2010 16:18:48 GMT -5
I'm amazed that Dixie Carter spoke out about the big surprise and all this silly stuff without having Heyman's name on a contract. That's just bad business.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 3, 2010 16:36:05 GMT -5
I'm amazed that Dixie Carter spoke out about the big surprise and all this silly stuff without having Heyman's name on a contract. That's just bad business. That and the YouShoot......
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jul 3, 2010 17:52:54 GMT -5
They're in a pretty bad financial situation for sure. And how do we know this? This has already been refuted. And unlike WWE, they are a private company. We can't see their books. The idea here is that TNA's expenses went through the roof with all the contracts they were throwing out when Hogan came in. They probably have a quarterly evaluation with Spike with regards to how much money they can charge advertisers, and therefore how much money TNA gets from Spike. Since the ratings dropped during the Monday night debacle, they most certainly aren't getting as much from Spike anymore, until they can reevaluate again. Add to that stories of not using Hamada because she costs more per appearance (companies doing well don't worry about that sort of thing), and tapering down of house shows (I'm not sure how far they went from Florida, but they didn't go far past the Mississippi this year), and you see a picture of a company that's not doing well.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Jul 3, 2010 18:09:02 GMT -5
Maybe now Dixie will learn to keep her damn mouth shut about surprises. Nobody would have expected anything huge if she hadn't opened her mouth and went on about these surprises she had in store. Tommy Dreamer might have been better received had people not been expecting...well, Heyman.
In fact, most of TNA's big surprises would have been better received if Dixie hadn't blabbed that there was even going to be a surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 19:12:27 GMT -5
So is there still a huge surprise as was planned last month or whenever or should we forget about that? Suckas needs to know.
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Post by domrep on Jul 3, 2010 19:16:24 GMT -5
Heyman probably is their last bet. If they can't turn the booking around with him, then they are screwed.
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Post by ICBM on Jul 3, 2010 19:39:11 GMT -5
Heyman probably is their last bet. If they can't turn the booking around with him, then they are screwed. Nope. Last hope implies the most dire fiscal situation possible. Re-examine the collapses of ECW and WCW. Very different but the ultimate endstate was the same. ECW-didn't even bother to pay the crews that lit thier shows. They over extended because they had to provide greater production values to the original programing they were required by contract to provide. TNA has an enormous in-house production staff and they are efficient. BTW the spot they film all of thier TV is a theme park who pay the light Bill and underwrite alot of tghier overall production costs. This is smart and saves them a ton. Also they get money from Spike to produce better TV and to help pay for the marquee names they need for brand recognition. WCW- spent themselves into oblivion with huge salaries to talent and exorbinant production costs but stopped making money to pay for all of it in late 99. The started oporating a huge deficiet and were later taken off TV all together thus further decreasing thier fair market value and finally being sold cheap to titan. TNA is nowhere near ready for collapse. They still get over a million viewers in the demographic thier network wants every week. Not a month ago an exacutive from Spike said they were very happy with TNA and would have them around for a long time. (No I cannot remember the interviewer and source but it wasn't just a wrestling site. i am hopefull that someone will recall this better than and back me up I do as I am old and have CRS). Until they let go of half the roster and cancel PPV's and all road shows I will refuse to believe that the many many stories posted online every week about this very situation are bunk
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 3, 2010 19:45:46 GMT -5
TNA should really stop banking on "saviors" every other month and start banking on "savings and wise investments". That would actually require them to build their own superstars rather than hiring overpriced talent of yesteryear though.
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Post by ICBM on Jul 3, 2010 20:07:20 GMT -5
TNA should really stop banking on "saviors" every other month and start banking on "savings and wise investments". That would actually require them to build their own superstars rather than hiring overpriced talent of yesteryear though. The Pope, Abyss, AJ Styles, Beer Money, Matt Morgan, LAX, Samoa Joe...I can keep this up if you'd like
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 3, 2010 20:10:37 GMT -5
Heyman ain't coming. It's just another pipe dream that us TNA fans cling to, hoping one will eventually come true. And if they did bring Heyman in, it's only a matter of time before he becomes terrible and they oust him too. I say bring in Heyman, Cornette, and whoever else those 2 want, and tell Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, and whatever other trained ape is booking the shows to f*** off.
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Post by BigAl on Jul 3, 2010 20:21:27 GMT -5
Surely from a legal perspective does sacking someone because the person coming in doesn't like them not illegal? If your question is "is firing someone because someone coming in doesn't like illegal?" then no, it's not illegal. TNA headquarters is located in Memphis and Tennessee is an "at-will" employment state, meaning a boss can hire or fire an employee for any reason (except for race, gender, age, etc.) They don't have to give a reason at all as to why they fired him. They could fire him because they didn't like his haircut and it'd be legal. Florida is an at-will employment state as well, so even if he was stationed there, it wouldn't matter. Explains why it was legal to fire Roxxi because she didnt fit with their standards of beautiful.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 3, 2010 20:23:09 GMT -5
Heyman ain't coming. It's just another pipe dream that us TNA fans cling to, hoping one will eventually come true. And if they did bring Heyman in, it's only a matter of time before he becomes terrible and they oust him too. I say bring in Heyman, Cornette, and whoever else those 2 want, and tell Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, and whatever other trained ape is booking the shows to f*** off. The chances of Cornette ever wanting to work with TNA again are slightly less likely than having aliens take you to Blisstonia though.
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Post by donners on Jul 3, 2010 20:25:49 GMT -5
That would actually require them to build their own superstars rather than hiring overpriced talent of yesteryear though. The Pope, Abyss, AJ Styles, Beer Money, Matt Morgan, LAX, Samoa Joe...I can keep this up if you'd like Pope - Promising start, achieved nothing yet Abyss - Can't even keep the "cast members" onside, let alone impress those who are not TNA fans, and hasn't had a stand-out storyline or match in years Styles - Really hasn't progressed much in years, and is still nowhere near as recognisable to the average wrestling fan as a WWE opener Beer Money - Solid but not really prominant in any sense these days Matt Morgan - Improved dramatically as a wrestler, but floating aimlessly around the midcard LAX - Hernandez had momentum for the main event, then completely dropped off and is now all but forgotten. Homicide has been little more than an afterthought for ages Samoa Joe - Gone nowhere or backwards for years Hardly compelling stuff.
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Post by sunwukong on Jul 3, 2010 20:33:26 GMT -5
That would actually require them to build their own superstars rather than hiring overpriced talent of yesteryear though. The Pope, Abyss, AJ Styles, Beer Money, Matt Morgan, LAX, Samoa Joe...I can keep this up if you'd like Keep what up? Listing names of people that have achieved very little to nothing?
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Post by ICBM on Jul 3, 2010 20:35:21 GMT -5
^with the exception of Pope everyone on that list has been a champion and has a t-shirt that sells.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 3, 2010 20:36:19 GMT -5
To be fair, Joe did have a TNA World Championship reign, but its lost to the mists of time because it lead into the stupid "Knifey Dong on Face Joe" storyline.
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Post by donners on Jul 3, 2010 20:40:31 GMT -5
^with the exception of Pope everyone on that list has been a champion and has a t-shirt that sells. Being a champion in TNA means nothing. Rhino was a TNA World Champion. Who even remembers that? LAX and Beer Money were tag champs? So was Pacman Jones! As for selling shirts, TNA's merchandise sales are notoriously low. The top five shirts in their store at the moment are Anderson, Hardy, RVD, Hulk and Hulk. Also in their top-10, indeed, the top few, is the The Best Of America's Most Wanted DVD from about five years ago! Have a look around the Impact Zone and tell me how many shirts from those people listed are on display. Bet it's nowhere near as much as stuff from other companies.
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Post by The poster with no name on Jul 3, 2010 20:52:39 GMT -5
TNA should really stop banking on "saviors" every other month and start banking on "savings and wise investments". That would actually require them to build their own superstars rather than hiring overpriced talent of yesteryear though. Jay Lethal says hi.
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Post by donners on Jul 3, 2010 20:56:14 GMT -5
LOL, Lethal has gone from jobber to not being seen to actually having a story for a few weeks. Let's see how it actually develops before suggesting it is a positive sign. Look what happened to Wolfe.
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Post by ICBM on Jul 3, 2010 21:34:15 GMT -5
and yet the show will be on next week and the week after and on and on. How does anyone here say with certainty that thier homegrown talent will not continue to be stars? Do you see the future? How can anyone minimilize what Joe and those guys put themselves thru for fans and TNA? As far as signing and pushing established stars, if you don't how are you going to get more fans to cross over from wwe if they don't have any attachment? If you have Kurt Angle available and you do not use him you are foolish and deserve for your promotion to go away. Same with Nash, Hogan, Flair, Anderson ect.
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