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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 4, 2010 21:51:59 GMT -5
Morgan and The Pope aren't exactly "home grown" talent. They're former WWE rejects who got some hype around them and a push. That would be like saying Christian was was a TNA built star. That would be like saying Triple H and Steve Austin aren't home grown talent because they're former WCW rejects who got some hype around them and a push. How about Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio? Need I give more examples. Anyway, Jim Cornette, while he hates Paul Heyman, said it best. Paul Heyman could go to Taco Bell, and a few hours later, s*** out a wrestling show better then Russo ever could, if Russo had the rest of his life to think of one. If Heyman gets major control, he'll look at who he likes, who he doesn't, and go from there. He'll also probably bring in talent he may like who aren't in TNA, though they don't necessarily have to be all WWE talent. Paul Heyman is a lot of things. A liar, a cheat, bad with money, manipulative. But the one thing he isn't, is stupid. He isn't just going to use former ECW talent and run with an old ECW angle. He's gonna try and go in a different direction with the product.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 4, 2010 22:18:17 GMT -5
At this point, Morgan/Pope are TNA made as much as anybody, since the reason most care about them is their work in TNA.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 4, 2010 22:38:12 GMT -5
I wonder....is Heyman a flat out liar or was he mainly a liar in ECW when he was short on money and had to connive? As in if Dixie Carter controlled the purse strings and Heyman was simply in charge of creative, would he lie?
As far as talent goes, I don't care if TNA wants to push these so called "WWE rejects." Or "ROH rejects." I'm mainly opposed to them pushing washed up "WCW rejects" in the year 2010.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 4, 2010 22:51:12 GMT -5
If they see Heyman as a savior, they might as well close up shop now. They'll give him "the book" not "The Check Book" Indeed. If that happens, then full speed ahead for me, especially if he commits to using the home grown talent that TNA has. Look to his run in OVW for proof of that.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jul 5, 2010 1:41:22 GMT -5
according to twitter he said hes doing a book with Lesnar so dont know how TNA fits into that
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jul 5, 2010 2:56:40 GMT -5
Morgan and The Pope aren't exactly "home grown" talent. They're former WWE rejects who got some hype around them and a push. That would be like saying Christian was was a TNA built star. That would be like saying Triple H and Steve Austin aren't home grown talent because they're former WCW rejects who got some hype around them and a push. How about Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio? Need I give more examples. Anyway, Jim Cornette, while he hates Paul Heyman, said it best. Paul Heyman could go to Taco Bell, and a few hours later, s*** out a wrestling show better then Russo ever could, if Russo had the rest of his life to think of one. If Heyman gets major control, he'll look at who he likes, who he doesn't, and go from there. He'll also probably bring in talent he may like who aren't in TNA, though they don't necessarily have to be all WWE talent. Paul Heyman is a lot of things. A liar, a cheat, bad with money, manipulative. But the one thing he isn't, is stupid. He isn't just going to use former ECW talent and run with an old ECW angle. He's gonna try and go in a different direction with the product. They weren't homegrown talent. They were already established when they came to the WWE. They may not have been main eventers but they were already known except for maybe Hunter. Jericho walked into the main event scene in the WWE and Rey had huge hype coming in. The WWE did not make them. Ausitn was already over from the Hollywood Blonds.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 5, 2010 4:35:33 GMT -5
The TNA stuff is a little more than half way through the video. The background noise is a little irritating but a very interesting interview to say the least.
Anyway, my two cents is that Heyman clearly wants that Dana White power; i.e. a full financial and creative stake in the company that will in turn act as a motivator and incentive for him to do a great job and not just phone shit in like a booker might who's making guaranteed money. If he fails, he'll get shit. But if he can brand TNA, re-invent wrestling's image and presentation (the SNL-skit era needs to seriously die) then he (or whomever ends up in that role) could bank some serious coin. It’s easy to fail when you're guaranteed a big payday no matter what. But if you got to produce results to get your huge payday, well, then you deserve whatever it is that you’ll be making.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 5, 2010 4:48:21 GMT -5
We need more video clips of known wrestling personalities hugging, and even more of said personalities poking fun at Bryan Alvarez.
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 5, 2010 8:20:39 GMT -5
That would be like saying Triple H and Steve Austin aren't home grown talent because they're former WCW rejects who got some hype around them and a push. How about Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio? Need I give more examples. Anyway, Jim Cornette, while he hates Paul Heyman, said it best. Paul Heyman could go to Taco Bell, and a few hours later, s*** out a wrestling show better then Russo ever could, if Russo had the rest of his life to think of one. If Heyman gets major control, he'll look at who he likes, who he doesn't, and go from there. He'll also probably bring in talent he may like who aren't in TNA, though they don't necessarily have to be all WWE talent. Paul Heyman is a lot of things. A liar, a cheat, bad with money, manipulative. But the one thing he isn't, is stupid. He isn't just going to use former ECW talent and run with an old ECW angle. He's gonna try and go in a different direction with the product. They weren't homegrown talent. They were already established when they came to the WWE. They may not have been main eventers but they were already known except for maybe Hunter. Jericho walked into the main event scene in the WWE and Rey had huge hype coming in. The WWE did not make them. Ausitn was already over from the Hollywood Blonds. lol austin was not over
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 5, 2010 10:50:49 GMT -5
He may have been over as a Hollywood Blonde but Ringmaster was never popular.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 5, 2010 10:53:14 GMT -5
TNA should really stop banking on "saviors" every other month and start banking on "savings and wise investments". This. Honestly, I dont understand how nobody in charge has figured this out yet.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 5, 2010 10:54:20 GMT -5
TNA should really stop banking on "saviors" every other month and start banking on "savings and wise investments". This. Honestly, I dont understand how nobody in charge has figured this out yet. Even if they haven't, Heyman probably has and doesn't want to get associated with a botched Creative run in the company though.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 5, 2010 13:31:23 GMT -5
Here is where Heyman can help them out: He can at least help TNA hone in on an image. WWE has ironically helped them out on this front by going PG and appealing to families. TNA needs to swing in the exact opposite direction and put on a violent, serious product for grown ups. They already sort of do this, but it's filtered through this absurd, goofy Russo lens.
If Heyman does go there maybe he can convince Dixie to drop the lame "TNA" brand name all together. It would help them out a lot to at least sound like a credible company. A simple change from TNA Wrestling to TNW would make a world of difference without being a radical change. Do a campaign like WWE did with "Take the 'F' out" except here it's "We took the 'A' out." Who wouldn't approve of this change?
From there just go with a strategy that is a bit of a broadside at WWE without directly mentioning them: "TNW: We aren't PG."
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Post by Full of IT. on Jul 5, 2010 13:59:07 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Carter, Please hire this man and fire your daughter. Sincerely, CandyPants964
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jul 5, 2010 14:24:42 GMT -5
Clearly the message we should be getting from this video is that Velvet Sky should have the book.
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Post by machomuta on Jul 5, 2010 14:34:52 GMT -5
They weren't homegrown talent. They were already established when they came to the WWE. They may not have been main eventers but they were already known except for maybe Hunter. Jericho walked into the main event scene in the WWE and Rey had huge hype coming in. The WWE did not make them. Ausitn was already over from the Hollywood Blonds. lol austin was not over You obvious didnt watch WCW.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 5, 2010 14:38:44 GMT -5
Here is where Heyman can help them out: He can at least help TNA hone in on an image. WWE has ironically helped them out on this front by going PG and appealing to families. TNA needs to swing in the exact opposite direction and put on a violent, serious product for grown ups. They already sort of do this, but it's filtered through this absurd, goofy Russo lens. If Heyman does go there maybe he can convince Dixie to drop the lame "TNA" brand name all together. It would help them out a lot to at least sound like a credible company. A simple change from TNA Wrestling to TNW would make a world of difference without being a radical change. Do a campaign like WWE did with "Take the 'F' out" except here it's "We took the 'A' out." Who wouldn't approve of this change? From there just go with a strategy that is a bit of a broadside at WWE without directly mentioning them: "TNW: We aren't PG." Except that's exactly what they've been doing for years. It ain't working. And I doubt Heyman wants the Sisyphean task of trying to get TNA over as "adult" to an extremely skeptical audience.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 5, 2010 18:50:16 GMT -5
Carter: Whaddya think about coming to TNA?
Heyman: Hmmm....sure!
Carter: Really?
Heyman: ......Naaah
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Post by ICBM on Jul 5, 2010 20:00:13 GMT -5
Well thanx for the video post. heyman seemed very candid and very honest and IMO-if Dixie dosn't fully commit to Heyman's vision than he ain't comm'n to Orlando till Hogan is gone.
I was convinced that Hogan and Bischoff would be the answer. I just knew they would market the piss out of TNA and take it main stream. This has not happened. TNA entertains me every week. The talent is awesome. The storylines (in the main) are interesting with some Gookerworthy exceptions. But so far if I had to grade the Hogan/Bischoff era I'd give them C+. I will wait and see, but grading from Januray until the end of June in the year of our lord 2010 TNA gets a C+ from ICBM.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 5, 2010 20:41:51 GMT -5
One thing I liked about his interview was having a plan for TNA. A good 5 year plan.
I watched Guest Booker with Jerry Jarret. And he said that there needs to be a Czar when it comes to booking. There needs to be one person who says yes or no on everything. Obviously, they need some good people with him to bounce ideas of, but in general, there needs to be one person who makes the decisions.
I expect Dreamer and Raven would be two of his creative team for some reason. He and Dreamer used to be booking together in ECW. My fear though is he and Raven have past heat, but Dreamer and Raven are really good friends. My hope is that if Raven and Heyman still have issues, they resolve them, and they're brought into the creative process.
I think it would also be good for both Raven and Dreamer to be off tv under Heyman's vision. I don't expect him to do old ECW stuff, so Stevie and Rhino would be doing other things, and it opens up room for tv time.
Anyway, the fact that he would have a plan is what's important, because I don't think TNA really has one.
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