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Post by Cela on Jun 5, 2010 15:21:14 GMT -5
Don't now how "unrealistic" it is but I have always hated the Claw/Anaconda Vice, and Hells Gate, I have never seen that move successfully put on in MMA so... Supposedly, Nick Diaz was higher than a California redwood during this match. Pretty impressive, if you ask me. Don't forget the first. Its a tough move to hit, but when it does, its very hard to get out of. Its still easier to legitimately do than any sharpshooter or crab variation. The Anaconda Vice though, yeah, thats fake as hell.
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Post by Brainbustaaah! on Jun 5, 2010 15:23:34 GMT -5
The FU. Guys routinely land on their back from the top rope, Hip tosses, beals etc. But somehow if you fall from the same distance off a jacked up rapper it hurts more. For this same reason, I think Sweet Chin Music is pretty unrealistic. Sure, it looks awesome and it's ability to come out of nowhere is sweet.... but when you consider that in a wrestling match, it's not uncommon to punch a guy in the face with bare knuckles 30+ times, why would a kick in the face suddenly be a show stopper? Think about it. Some people can leg press over a ton of weight. What's the world record for a bench press? About half a ton. You can exert a lot more force with your legs than you can your arms if trained right. Besides, Shawn's been superkicking people for over 20 years. How is it unrealistic to believe that he's honed the art of the boot to the head to perfection?
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Post by Krimzon on Jun 5, 2010 15:34:38 GMT -5
The Destroyer may be extremely contrived, but it's not entirely unrealistic. If enough force is applied to the jump, your momentum will be able to carry your opponent over with you. Simple physics.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 5, 2010 15:46:47 GMT -5
The Destroyer may be extremely contrived, but it's not entirely unrealistic. If enough force is applied to the jump, your momentum will be able to carry your opponent over with you. Simple physics. Unless the force was immense, I'd seriously doubt you'd get more than a sunshine flip out of it. I'm no physicist, but I think simple physics is what makes that move so unrealistic. All a person has to do is drop to their knees, or become dead weight, and you can't do it. If you add enough force, any finisher could be lethal, but that doesn't mean it's feasible for a person to create that much force.
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Post by ak7 on Jun 5, 2010 16:06:31 GMT -5
RKO orton jumps up too high in the air at least with the stunner their was a kick first then the finisher. Also the guy taking the move places his head to near orton like he's inviting him to rko him. think about it how could you go that high in the air fall on his ass and do it with such force the guy behind you falls flat on his face?
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Post by sunwukong on Jun 5, 2010 16:09:34 GMT -5
The FU. Guys routinely land on their back from the top rope, Hip tosses, beals etc. But somehow if you fall from the same distance off a jacked up rapper it hurts more. For this same reason, I think Sweet Chin Music is pretty unrealistic. Sure, it looks awesome and it's ability to come out of nowhere is sweet.... but when you consider that in a wrestling match, it's not uncommon to punch a guy in the face with bare knuckles 30+ times, why would a kick in the face suddenly be a show stopper? 1. Your leg is much, much, much stronger than your arm. Ergo, a kick is more powerful than a punch. 2. His full body was in motion when he did it, meaning that he had a good deal of momentum behind it. Trust me, if you've ever studied a full contact martial art and caught a skipping side kick to the face or head (which is really all a SCM is), that move is anything BUT unrelastic.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Jun 5, 2010 16:11:55 GMT -5
that move when one wrestler is has been irish whipped and as that wrestler bounces off the ropes towards the wrestler that whipped him, that wrestler just bends down in the middle of the ring and usually ends up getting kicked in the face
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 5, 2010 17:41:27 GMT -5
For this same reason, I think Sweet Chin Music is pretty unrealistic. Sure, it looks awesome and it's ability to come out of nowhere is sweet.... but when you consider that in a wrestling match, it's not uncommon to punch a guy in the face with bare knuckles 30+ times, why would a kick in the face suddenly be a show stopper? 1. Your leg is much, much, much stronger than your arm. Ergo, a kick is more powerful than a punch. 2. His full body was in motion when he did it, meaning that he had a good deal of momentum behind it. Trust me, if you've ever studied a full contact martial art and caught a skipping side kick to the face or head (which is really all a SCM is), that move is anything BUT unrelastic. Yeah, kicks can carry such an extreme amount of force behind them that it's an entirely different deal. I once got knocked out in about a second in a Tae Kwon Do match because I stepped in when I shouldn't have and caught a foot to the temple.
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Post by waluigi on Jun 5, 2010 17:58:07 GMT -5
that move when one wrestler is has been irish whipped and as that wrestler bounces off the ropes towards the wrestler that whipped him, that wrestler just bends down in the middle of the ring and usually ends up getting kicked in the face Tell me, what is the point of that spot? Why would you stoop in the middle of the ring and let your opponent kick you in the face?
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Jun 5, 2010 17:58:17 GMT -5
As an MMA nerd, Undertakers Gogoplata (Hells Gate) looks like garbage. But I can at least appreciate that locking it in to look real would leave the other guy unconscious.
Sweet Chin Music is a ridiculously badass finisher. But if you hear Shawn Michaels stomping the mat constantly, why the hell do you not roll out the ring?
Peoples Elbow is my least favourite finisher ever.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 5, 2010 19:13:14 GMT -5
I'm going to go with Gabriel's 450 splash. Yes, it's very impressive from an athletic perspective, but it just... it looks more like figure skating than wrestling. It looks like he's spinning around in the air a bunch of times to show that he can, not because it's at all practical or adds to the move itself.
Even something like Bourne's SSP or Morrison's Starship Pain manage to look like there's a point to the flips and it's adding to the momentum. Gabriel just looks like he's trying to get higher points from the judges for his leaping ability.
And yes, Punk's GTS always has this awkward look like he's picking a guy up, then setting him back on his feet, THEN kneeing him in the face, and he isn't actually getting any sort of momentum out of the whole lift. And he's also legit busted people open with it more than a few times, which means it looks like crap and can actually injure people, an unspectacular combination.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 5, 2010 19:13:37 GMT -5
Supposedly, Nick Diaz was higher than a California redwood during this match. Pretty impressive, if you ask me. Don't forget the first. Its a tough move to hit, but when it does, its very hard to get out of. Its still easier to legitimately do than any sharpshooter or crab variation. The Anaconda Vice though, yeah, thats fake as hell. The Anaconda Vice is a legit choke in BJJ. I can't find a video right now, but it is a real hold. EDIT: I found a video. A little blurry, but shows the move nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2010 19:16:42 GMT -5
And yes, Punk's GTS always has this awkward look like he's picking a guy up, then setting him back on his feet, THEN kneeing him in the face, and he isn't actually getting any sort of momentum out of the whole lift. And he's also legit busted people open with it more than a few times, which means it looks like crap and can actually injure people, an unspectacular combination. Oh yes, I've hated this move since he began using it years ago. Besides, why do most people seem to be unable to slip out of it? Even midcarders these days seem to be wise to the Attitude Adjustment being pulled out on them out of the blue, so why should I believe that the equally-contrived GTS is an inescapable move of doom?
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jun 5, 2010 19:40:34 GMT -5
Honestly: The Irish Whip
None of your answers top this.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 5, 2010 19:43:35 GMT -5
Honestly: The Irish Whip None of your answers top this. As a setup move, yes. But as a finisher?
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 5, 2010 21:18:57 GMT -5
For this same reason, I think Sweet Chin Music is pretty unrealistic. Sure, it looks awesome and it's ability to come out of nowhere is sweet.... but when you consider that in a wrestling match, it's not uncommon to punch a guy in the face with bare knuckles 30+ times, why would a kick in the face suddenly be a show stopper? Think about it. Some people can leg press over a ton of weight. What's the world record for a bench press? About half a ton. You can exert a lot more force with your legs than you can your arms if trained right. Besides, Shawn's been superkicking people for over 20 years. How is it unrealistic to believe that he's honed the art of the boot to the head to perfection? The point isn't that the kick isn't strong. The point is that if you can shrug off 30+ bare knuckle blows square in the face, why the hell should a kick do anything special? The sheer amount of punches have established that you are literally immune to the headshot. For example: Go punch a brick wall 30 times. Then go kick it once. Notice how you did jack squat. The move makes a lot more sense in a world where a wrestlers head isn't made of "titanium". Although the argument that he aims for under the chin as opposed to the head is a good one. That, I understand.
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Post by pundabaya on Jun 5, 2010 21:24:50 GMT -5
Any Hurricanrana variant. It doesn't help that most of the time, the wrestler being hurricanrana'd blatantly just does a front flip bump out of nowhere.
Of course, pro-wrestling physics bears no relation to real physics: see the Irish Whip, flubber-covered ropes, and how a guy who hits a dropkick being fine, but if he misses it hurrts him... even though there is no difference between what happens to him in either case.
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Post by mrjl on Jun 5, 2010 21:52:05 GMT -5
As an MMA nerd, Undertakers Gogoplata (Hells Gate) looks like garbage. But I can at least appreciate that locking it in to look real would leave the other guy unconscious. Sweet Chin Music is a ridiculously badass finisher. But if you hear Shawn Michaels stomping the mat constantly, why the hell do you not roll out the ring? If you're knocked loopy and you've got the crowd screaming in your ears what makes you think you can hear one guy all the way across the ring stomping it a couple of times?
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Post by mrjl on Jun 5, 2010 21:52:47 GMT -5
that move when one wrestler is has been irish whipped and as that wrestler bounces off the ropes towards the wrestler that whipped him, that wrestler just bends down in the middle of the ring and usually ends up getting kicked in the face Tell me, what is the point of that spot? Why would you stoop in the middle of the ring and let your opponent kick you in the face? because they're hoping to hit a back body drop
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Post by mrjl on Jun 5, 2010 21:54:06 GMT -5
Think about it. Some people can leg press over a ton of weight. What's the world record for a bench press? About half a ton. You can exert a lot more force with your legs than you can your arms if trained right. Besides, Shawn's been superkicking people for over 20 years. How is it unrealistic to believe that he's honed the art of the boot to the head to perfection? The point isn't that the kick isn't strong. The point is that if you can shrug off 30+ bare knuckle blows square in the face, why the hell should a kick do anything special? The sheer amount of punches have established that you are literally immune to the headshot. For example: Go punch a brick wall 30 times. Then go kick it once. Notice how you did jack squat. The move makes a lot more sense in a world where a wrestlers head isn't made of "titanium". Although the argument that he aims for under the chin as opposed to the head is a good one. That, I understand. it's definately the chin thing.
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