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Post by Young Game on Oct 9, 2010 16:27:30 GMT -5
I think we're all missing the major point made in the original post: DC has agreed to make more movies in LA, which means there will be a lot of swamp scenes. And who has a backstory that takes place in a swamp? That's right, Soloman Grundy. Would he still want pants, too? ;D
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Post by somedensefish on Oct 9, 2010 17:31:36 GMT -5
Both of the last movies had a lot buzz around specific casting choices. With "Begins" I remember thinking, "Wait. The naked chainsaw guy from american psycho is gonna be Batman. And it's a new first Batman movie that's wierd." But it turned out awesome. Then it was "Wait. The guy from 10 things i hate about you is joker? Oh! And his face has a smile cut into it!" And it was the best movie ever. I think that needs to happen this time, but unfortunately the only striking choices seem to be the way old rumors of Johnny Depp as Riddler or Angelina Jolie as Catwoman. Both of those seem lame but are guaranteed to drive people out in droves to see it. I don't see many people giving a shit if the kid from 3rd rock plays the Riddler. Oh! Will Smith as Croc? F Yeah.
Anyway, back to the op and such. I think the Azzarello/Bermejo Croc, basically a big black guy with what appear to be burn scars covering most of his body. There's a dude who'd come in to a gas station I used to work at that had burn scars on a lot of his body, he'd wear wifebeaters and show that shit off. I think it would work best with burn scars instead of a "mysterious skin condition." You know that scarred up dude fighting Batman survived being burned alive, that's hardcore.
And think Joker in TDK, he's a normal person made to look deranged by purely common means, not some made-up chemical that somehow only locally effects his smile muscles and forces the perma-grin like in Burton's movie.
But am I just way off-base, did anyone else get the impression of "burn scars" from the Joker graphic novel? I don't think it ever mentions a skin condition.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Oct 9, 2010 17:36:21 GMT -5
i think maybe michael clarke duncan could play a good Croc...either do the burn's...or ive heard some ideas about him possibly having tribal scars all over his body that give him a scale look.
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Post by thisplaceisdead on Oct 9, 2010 17:53:46 GMT -5
I'll believe Croc is in the next Batman as soon as someone is cast in the role.
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Post by somedensefish on Oct 9, 2010 19:20:14 GMT -5
Good point, vamp. I actually have the Joker graphic novel here (it was only ever 10 feet away, i'm lazy) and it looks like pretty much Lee Bermejo was deliberately going for somewhere Michael Clarke Duncan and Zeus, and Zeus was in TDK.
Hmm... take that character, who is established as either an Arkham inmate, or one of the 300-odd gangsters that Harvey Dent locks up early in the film; and also seems to have some sort of spirituality connected to him (his group of prisoners in monk-pose). And he is an essentially good man, throwing the detonator out the window and admonishing others for not doing so immediately. Maybe flesh out his backstory in the beginning of the film, make him a sympathetic, but complicated character (there's obviously a reason he's been imprisoned.). Then have some mob boss or other villain burn him up. and this would keep the motif of a person being set on fire in each of the previous two movies...
But then he'd be basically identical to Two-face in TDK, so that would blow. But still, someone should be set on fire in the next one.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Oct 9, 2010 21:19:19 GMT -5
I still think his suit would be a problem, but Riddler could be made into Villian for the film. I mean, I know we all love to rip on The Batman, as it is our right to do so, since it sucked, but I could see a hidden guy planning elaborate crimes with no apparent pattern, until Batman goes all Layton on him.
I wish they would go for some minor villian, like the Terrible Trio or the Mad Monk. But Killer Croc does work in the enforcer role.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 9, 2010 22:16:28 GMT -5
It's better than Riddler. So here's hopin. Actually though, given the hints Millar gave, it COULD be Black Mask, who would make even more sense. I just really really really want it to be Black Mask. Trouble is, Black Mask won't sell a movie. Riddler will. Riddler is an iconic Batman villain that everyone knows, whether they're a fan of the comics or not. To the average audience, who the f*** is Black Mask? Nobody. Riddler is the way to go. As for Croc? Make him a secondary villain, and we're money, even though I'd prefer Bane for a "big bruiser" type villain. i still want poison ivy to fly solo in the bad girl part for a batman sequel.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 9, 2010 22:22:25 GMT -5
I really don't think you need a 'name' villain to sell the movie given a) Ra's al Ghul and Scarecrow were the baddies in the first one, and more importantly b) Dark Knight made HUGE money; people are going to see the next on regardless.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 9, 2010 22:58:35 GMT -5
If Croc is in it, then the rumors I heard of the animated film "Batman: Gotham Knight" being a between-quel to "Begins" and "The Dark Knight" are wrong. For the record, both Croc AND Deadshot appear in it. Croc was a very large man with a skin condition (Epideralic Hyperneurotosis I think was what they said) that was "treated" by Dr. Crane (Scarecrow) and filed his teeth to points. And even though I've never read comics with him in it, seeing this bio interested me in "Arkham Asylum"...look up the character "Prometheus". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(comics)#Prometheus_IIBatman vs. a dark mirror image of himself...just take out the cybernetic implants.
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Post by Legion on Oct 10, 2010 9:04:18 GMT -5
You guys need to stop seeing Riddler as he was years ago; as the cookie villain who left riddles and did low key crimes. In the comics now he is a private investigator, he works various crime cases so that he can look good and show that he has the intelliegence to beat Batman at his own game, with the general goal of attempting to find out who Batman is. This could even fit with filling the hole left by Dent and the rise in various crimes caused by underworld mobsters going out on their own because their isnt a unifed boss to keep them in check. He was the first of Batman's rogues who wasn't sleeping with Batman to figure out that current Batman wasn't Bruce. He's currently written as very intelligent, but unhinged. When he can't solve something he goes mental - even to the point of making something up or committing an act himself to make his answer work. It's a much deeper character than the Riddler of old. That is the way to get round the Riddler and Joker comparisons. So what? He's still not a threat. The first movie Ra's wanted to blow Gotham up for it's sins. Second movie, Joker wanted to punge it into complete anarchy. Thrid movie, Riddler leaves clues to crime because hw wants to be tested? Woo, how exciting. Did you even read what I said? He doesnt leave clues anymore, he isnt the jokey character from the 60s or Carrey's version. He, himself, solves crimes, and occassionally sets them up himself so he can solve them and look good.
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Post by Legion on Oct 10, 2010 9:12:21 GMT -5
If Croc is in it, then the rumors I heard of the animated film "Batman: Gotham Knight" being a between-quel to "Begins" and "The Dark Knight" are wrong. For the record, both Croc AND Deadshot appear in it. Croc was a very large man with a skin condition (Epideralic Hyperneurotosis I think was what they said) that was "treated" by Dr. Crane (Scarecrow) and filed his teeth to points. It's not a rumour, it's official. It's chronologically set between the two films.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 10, 2010 11:25:43 GMT -5
I just don't like Riddler. Yeah he's not the one note idiot he used to be, I'm just still not a fan.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Oct 10, 2010 11:40:17 GMT -5
I'll say this: Doesn't matter who the villain is. To paraphrase something from TDK, I believe in Nolan. If it's Poison Ivy as a hardcore eco-terrorist or Croc with a skin condition, the movie is the focus, not the characters, something Shmuckmaker lost sight of.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 10, 2010 11:44:38 GMT -5
I still think his suit would be a problem, but Riddler could be made into Villian for the film. I mean, I know we all love to rip on The Batman, as it is our right to do so, since it sucked, but I could see a hidden guy planning elaborate crimes with no apparent pattern, until Batman goes all Layton on him. I wish they would go for some minor villian, like the Terrible Trio or the Mad Monk. But Killer Croc does work in the enforcer role. Costume-wise, I don't think spandex is a must. All he really needs is a bowler hat and maybe a green "?" tie. As for The Batman, I kinda liked the "Goth Riddler" aesthetic.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 10, 2010 12:18:21 GMT -5
Looking through an old thread on another MB I had gone to reminded me of an idea I had.
Remember in The Dark Knight they had that newscaster that was an outspoken TV host. Don't remember the character's name or not, but it wouldn't really be important.
Well, remember how that character ended upon a bus coming from the hospital near the end of The Dark Knight. The same bus Joker was on?
Well, if this character lived, who's to say the experience didn't traumatize him? Drive him nuts in his own right.
Basically, as a little bit part in the next Nolan Batman film...perhaps we could see that guy turn up as a Nolanverse Creeper?
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Post by BlackHoleMark on Oct 10, 2010 18:37:44 GMT -5
I still hold out hope that the villain will be Zsasz. That would be crazy amazing.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 10, 2010 22:15:13 GMT -5
I still hold out hope that the villain will be Zsasz. That would be crazy amazing. I thought Zsasz was in Begins though...and was killed or driven crazy. Been a while since I saw Begins though.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 10, 2010 22:45:42 GMT -5
I still hold out hope that the villain will be Zsasz. That would be crazy amazing. I thought Zsasz was in Begins though...and was killed or driven crazy. Been a while since I saw Begins though. He's in there....kinda. He's more like "extra that they decided was Zsasz after the fact". They could easily retcon it.
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Post by DSR on Oct 10, 2010 23:13:02 GMT -5
Looking through an old thread on another MB I had gone to reminded me of an idea I had. Remember in The Dark Knight they had that newscaster that was an outspoken TV host. Don't remember the character's name or not, but it wouldn't really be important. Well, remember how that character ended upon a bus coming from the hospital near the end of The Dark Knight. The same bus Joker was on? Well, if this character lived, who's to say the experience didn't traumatize him? Drive him nuts in his own right. Basically, as a little bit part in the next Nolan Batman film...perhaps we could see that guy turn up as a Nolanverse Creeper? Anthony Michael Hall as The Creeper? I dig it.
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 10, 2010 23:37:26 GMT -5
I hear they're bringing in Jon Peters to produce
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