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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 11:46:51 GMT -5
There is no such thing as the IWC. It's a meaningless term people throw around to try and suggest a hive mind when no such thing exists.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 12:01:47 GMT -5
I said that the Miz will never, NEVER win the world title.
I honestly don't know what to expect from WWE anymore.
They have legitimately suprised me a few times with stuff like that so I'm not ruling anything out at this point.
Between Miz, Punk and random title wins like Sheamus and Swagger - its really hard to say if Bryan will win the world title.
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 27, 2010 12:03:30 GMT -5
I could see him winning the big one at some point. I think his current character is going to have to evolve into something more serious, but once he does... I mean, just the flashes of seriousness that I've seen from him in his tenure here have convinced me that he can be really credible as a guy who could take any of the current main eventers down.
Will it happen? Who knows. But I think WWE has the will for it to happen eventually, and I think DBD has the talent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 12:07:01 GMT -5
Well, you can quote me on this. If Daniel Bryan does indeed get a WM main event, the weeks up to it will be littered with comment of anticipative shock before the event and should he win, the cries of "he's just not the same anymore"/"remember how cool he used to be?" begin. The IWC will deny it (as though they're one singular entity) but they hate it when their darlings cross over into the mainstream. The momentous markout that people here had for Punk cashing in on Edge in 2008 says otherwise. Check the archives. Exactly - CM Punk says a big hello. Still beloved by his indy fan base as far as I can tell and has made a ton of new fans. (Myself included. I had no idea who he was until he debuted in WWE and then I went back and checked out his older stuff.) "IWC" what an easy out that is. If you can't find logic. Blame the IWC.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 27, 2010 12:08:39 GMT -5
Bryan's a guy I can honestly see winning it. He would never be a central guy, but I could see him becoming a popular upper-midcarder / face equivalent of Jericho and Punk easily; he's damn good in the ring, has charisma, after only a few months on the roster already regularly gets people chanting his name, and he's marketable in how different he is from the rest of the roster. I remember a while back a report said Cena suggested to Vince to start using Smaller guys because they weren't getting any bigger.. I think the one perk about this that Vince likes, is that a lot of the smaller guys seem to easily connect with children. Children associate with them. The Underdogs. I know I did when I was little and used to watch WCW...Some guy by the name of Rey Mysterio I think.. I think DB's got a steady future ahead of him. They need him. He's too good of a grappler. Hate to say it but he makes me Not-Miss-HBK-So-Much...
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 27, 2010 12:16:24 GMT -5
. He's too good of a grappler. Hate to say it but he makes me Not-Miss-HBK-So-Much... Bite your tongue, sir! No, I actually totally agree. So far no one's filling the HBK void for me in terms of semi-coherent storylines and general amusement, but DBD's definitely covering the "guy who can have reliably decent matches on any given night" category.
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Post by grunt on Dec 27, 2010 12:20:03 GMT -5
I'm just hoping that if DBD ends up winning a major title, it won't be after a five minutes/five moves of doom type of match, cos i'm starting to get tired of those.
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Post by Free Hat on Dec 27, 2010 12:41:29 GMT -5
Well, you can quote me on this. If Daniel Bryan does indeed get a WM main event, the weeks up to it will be littered with comment of anticipative shock before the event and should he win, the cries of "he's just not the same anymore"/"remember how cool he used to be?" begin. The IWC will deny it (as though they're one singular entity) but they hate it when their darlings cross over into the mainstream. This is patently false. Typically what happens when someone (anyone) wins the title is that their long time critics become more vocal. That's it. Fans of said individual usually remain supportive.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Dec 27, 2010 12:44:22 GMT -5
At the moment I'm a little concerned with the lack of direction in Bryan's character, Bellas aside. He needs a new feud. I think he was lined up to face Punk, but Creative panicked when Punk got injured.
I do however think that Bryan can and will win the big one eventually, even if it is a thank you reign. I think this for a few reasons:
-He is over with the crowd. Maybe not "Cena/Orton" over, but he's over enough for his placement on the card. -His talent is pretty established as well. I'm pretty confident that if the boys in the back all voted on who are the best in-ring workers in the compnay, Bryan would be in the top three or five. -His attitude also works in his favor. I remember reading after Bryan got fired that most in the company felt like he was the ideal employee. For as much as Vince has put up with locker room "cancers" over the years, I'm sure he likes having a genuinely good guy like Bryan around.
For the last two reasons alone I see Bryan getting the top prize at some point, however, this doesn't exclude him getting it before then. After all, Bryan's year (his first in the WWE) has been a wild ride of peaks and valleys, who can say what kind of momentum he could accumulate if he had a full uninterrupted year of build and storylines. However, as I mentioned earlier, he needs to keep this momentum. Winning every week may make us Bryan fans shout for joy, but eventually, it's going to get boring for us--and even quicker for the casual fan--. He needs a feud, because in my opinion he has only shown a sliver of what he can do, and the best is yet to come.
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Post by percymania on Dec 27, 2010 13:13:05 GMT -5
I can see him with the Big Gold belt, though I have a feeling his run would be short.
If he ever submits Cena cleanly, I would cream myself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 14:40:31 GMT -5
I'd rather he just keep doing what he's doing now, putting on decent midcard matches.
It'd be neat seeing him win a world title, maybe he will. I can't see it working out really well though and it'd be the kind of run where he'd be so depushed after losing it that he'd be worse off than he is right now.
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Post by Beartato on Dec 27, 2010 14:59:59 GMT -5
I see him winning one eventually. But like someone said, I'm concerned for his lack of direction right now. I think the Punk feud would not only have elevated him, but gotten us a series of awesome matches and major character development on Bryan's part. (It would also give us a feud where Punk could actually win, or at least not be destroyed completely)
I think he was most interesting this year feuding with Miz but lately he's just...been there. Even his US Title match was a dark match at the last ppv and that worries me. Not that I'm thinking omg buried but it kinda sucked he wasn't on the card.
And I hate that he's compared to Benoit. Is every good technical wrestler just like Benoit? He's just really good at what he does and happens to have a crossface move as his finisher. He's not a "rabid wolverine" and he's actually likeable and looks like he doesn't smell awful. He's also more fast paced and a lot more exciting than Benoit ever was, which is why I think he'd make a great champion.
And with a smaller guy like Miz being champion and Rey Mysterio being constantly credible, I can definitely see him winning the big one one day. I do hope it's with a smarkier crowd though, sometimes the regular crowd doesn't pop for him until he gets in the ring and if he gets a small reaction after a title win it would suck. (although by that point I'm sure he'd be way more over with the crowd)
And a good backstage attitude really does work wonders. In any job, but especially this one. And with guys like Orton and Cena saying how much they like him on Twitter and how good of a wrestler he is, I'm sure he has a good future ahead of him.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 27, 2010 15:01:50 GMT -5
The IWC does indeed exist, it's like a stable within the actual IWC, anybody who denies this doesn't actually follow pro wrasslin' on the internet. The IWC stable can be found commenting on Youtube videos in txt speak or on illegally viewable WWE PPV content on some random user gen media site, just flaming any proper discussion for to attempt compensating for deeper inadequacies.
Anyway kids, overreact much?
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 27, 2010 15:16:38 GMT -5
Win a World Title?
Pshh...that gay nerd is too busy cutting carrots to win a World Title!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 27, 2010 15:59:17 GMT -5
It all depends on whether or not he gets that major storyline that helps him seriously get over, as Eddie did with Chavo- which eventually led into his victory over Lesnar.
But even after he won it, I wouldn't revolve WWE entirely around him. Bryan does a great job drawing in devoted wrestling fans, but I wouldn't put Cena and Orton on the backburner as I don't see him as a "crossover to the mainstream" star. An occasional main eventer, sure.
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Post by anglarite on Dec 27, 2010 16:12:09 GMT -5
He did remind me to Benoit too, especially when he came out to the ring at Summerslam with a bit of a crazy look and silent determination. And those who think he can't play a crazed psycho, should rewatch the Nexus debut.
By the way, considering how much WWE does not want to remind us to Benoit, it's a bit weird they gave him a crossface submission as a finisher.
I do feel it was a mistake to make him tap out to Del Rio at the KotR tournament (especially as in the next match Del Rio was promptly eliminated thanks to Mysterio). I feel they should have kept him as a submission specialist who never tapped out, so if he would ever have a submission match with Cena, people could actually root for both.
About him winning the WWE title... well, maybe it's time for him to actually use his vegan powers...
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 27, 2010 17:25:57 GMT -5
There is no such thing as the IWC. It's a meaningless term people throw around to try and suggest a hive mind when no such thing exists. I disagree. I think it refers to us that post on the internet and actively voice our opinion on the product. Hive mind? Absolutely not, but the IWC does exist, MMA has something similar, only less coherent, and they hate Brock Lesnar.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 27, 2010 18:07:27 GMT -5
The IWC does indeed exist, it's like a stable within the actual IWC, anybody who denies this doesn't actually follow pro wrasslin' on the internet. The IWC stable can be found commenting on Youtube videos in txt speak or on illegally viewable WWE PPV content on some random user gen media site, just flaming any proper discussion for to attempt compensating for deeper inadequacies. Anyway kids, overreact much? I miss the days when people like the ones you just described were referred to by what they really are: morons. Nothing more, nothing less. As for the thread title itself, I'm not ruling out the possibility. It happened with Punk, it happened with Swagger, it happened with Miz, hell before he was booked like Superman there was probably a time where nobody saw Rey Mysterio ever possibly winning a World title. I don't rule out anything anymore.
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Post by Young Game on Dec 27, 2010 18:29:23 GMT -5
If he ever wins the WWE Title I hope....nay....I demand there be a Title Presentation Ceremony the next night where he is given a slightly updated version of one these belts:
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 27, 2010 19:55:46 GMT -5
He would absolutely make a good underdog fighting champion. He would make an even better arrogant, sneaky heel champion.
The guy can pull off a good 15-minute promo. A lot of people make the Benoit comparison - I see him more like a combination of Shawn Michaels and Dean Malenko who is competent on the mic.
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