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Post by Jobes on Jan 26, 2011 15:39:50 GMT -5
There's a bunch of silly things that they make you do in court that I think is silly but can't discuss here. This is one though that I really think is stupid. There is no law against it and the fact we still adhere to archaic rituals in court bugs the hell out of me. Sure he could've taken it off but really its the principle that counts here. There no actual reason you can't wear a hat other than the fact a judge says you can't *rolls eyes* Totally siding with the dude here. Plus these guys used WAY to much force on someone who wasn't even breaking a law. All they should've done was swipe the hat away or something. Too many people have to feel like exerting their "superiority" over others I guess. Archaic court rituals...?
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Post by Rococo on Jan 26, 2011 15:48:31 GMT -5
Whilst I agree with the sentiment that he probably should have just removed the hat, this is a complete abuse of policing power. There was no reason to use that kind of force and to arrest him; he wasn't being abusive, he simply asked what the policy was and was physically removed from the room. In my opinion, more than anything else, this is evidence that silly, antiquated laws such as removing a cap in court, lest you be arrested, should be expelled.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jan 26, 2011 15:54:34 GMT -5
There's no reason why they should have him remove the hat. It's a completely pointless rule and to ARREST somebody and use physical force for a rule that doesn't even make sense is absurd.
Wearing a hat isn't disrespectful.
Personally I've always been majorly against the thought process of "It'd have been easier to remove the hat, so he's in the wrong". That's how bulls*** societal rules like "wearing a hat is disrespectful" get promoted in the first place. If people don't fight it, it'll never change.
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Post by bibboid on Jan 26, 2011 16:02:15 GMT -5
I hope they throw his hatted butt in jail. Are you saying he had a hat on his butt? I thought it was on his head. I is confused.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jan 26, 2011 16:03:17 GMT -5
There's no reason why they should have him remove the hat. It's a completely pointless rule and to ARREST somebody and use physical force for a rule that doesn't even make sense is absurd. Wearing a hat isn't disrespectful. Personally I've always been majorly against the thought process of "It'd have been easier to remove the hat, so he's in the wrong". That's how bulls*** societal rules like "wearing a hat is disrespectful" get promoted in the first place. If people don't fight it, it'll never change. Exactly. Most people just want to go along to get along because they are afraid of the abusive power that law enforcement holds. When authority figures tell you to "Shut Up Slave" most people listen. So go ahead people who think it is alright to kidnap someone for wearing a hat and listen to tyrannical deputy Cartman.
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Post by Jobes on Jan 26, 2011 16:04:40 GMT -5
This guy is the new Rosa Parks. One day we'll be able to wear hats freely in court.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 26, 2011 16:06:07 GMT -5
Odd. I wore my hat to court one time (when I was stupid and 18 years old) and the judge told me to take it off. I did. And that was the end of that.
I'm all for sticking it to The Man® but man alive you have to pick your battles wisely.
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Post by General Adam on Jan 26, 2011 16:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 26, 2011 16:15:26 GMT -5
This guy is the new Rosa Parks. One day we'll be able to wear hats freely in court. Well played.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 16:18:14 GMT -5
As stupid as this is, there are far more pressing issues that could be brought to light than a guy getting arrested for not taking his hat off in court.
I'm old school in that you take your hat off inside regardless of where you are, if the Judge or officers ask you to take your hat off you do it. It saves everyone a headache. I mean seriously is wearing a hat in a courtroom really such an essential right that someone is willing to go to jail over it? What an idiot.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jan 26, 2011 16:26:02 GMT -5
There's no reason why they should have him remove the hat. It's a completely pointless rule and to ARREST somebody and use physical force for a rule that doesn't even make sense is absurd. Wearing a hat isn't disrespectful. Personally I've always been majorly against the thought process of "It'd have been easier to remove the hat, so he's in the wrong". That's how bulls*** societal rules like "wearing a hat is disrespectful" get promoted in the first place. If people don't fight it, it'll never change. It's disrespectful if the judge sees it that way. Like has been said before, in the courtroom, the judge is essentially God. Removing the hat is a sign of respect, and if the judge asks you to remove your hat, you take the dang thing off. It's protocol, and it's how things are done. Don't like it? Enjoy your time in the holding cell for contempt.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jan 26, 2011 16:32:31 GMT -5
There's no reason why they should have him remove the hat. It's a completely pointless rule and to ARREST somebody and use physical force for a rule that doesn't even make sense is absurd. Wearing a hat isn't disrespectful. Personally I've always been majorly against the thought process of "It'd have been easier to remove the hat, so he's in the wrong". That's how bulls*** societal rules like "wearing a hat is disrespectful" get promoted in the first place. If people don't fight it, it'll never change. It's disrespectful if the judge sees it that way. Like has been said before, in the courtroom, the judge is essentially God. Removing the hat is a sign of respect, and if the judge asks you to remove your hat, you take the dang thing off. It's protocol, and it's how things are done. Don't like it? Enjoy your time in the holding cell for contempt. Crap like that is just stupid. There's no reason for it. If there's one thing I can't stand it's arbitrary rules.
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Post by sryans on Jan 26, 2011 16:38:02 GMT -5
Just to be clear, he was not arrested for wearing a hat, he was arrested for blatantly disobeying the bailiff.
And no, having a stringent set of procedures and a dress code for courtrooms is not stupid. What is stupid is this guy not doing what he is told.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jan 26, 2011 16:42:44 GMT -5
I think it's stupid and pointless. We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by biafra on Jan 26, 2011 16:54:02 GMT -5
I loathe pointless rules. Nothing in this courts proceedings change no matter is and is not on someones head. Some people make up silly bullshit rules that other people are forced to live by. You do have to pick and choose your battles though, and I'm not sure the hat rule was worth sticking it to the man over and certainly think the cops over reacted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 17:06:55 GMT -5
I think this dude is an idiot. Like stated earlier, if you're in a courtroom you should expect a certain set of rules. If he thinks keeping the hat on is worth the consequences, that's more his problem than the court's.
Just take the damn hat off.
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Post by BRV on Jan 26, 2011 17:14:54 GMT -5
The video starts at an awfully convenient time to make Hat McCullough (as he will be referenced throughout this post) seem like the anti-establishment hero, while at the same time make the bailiff and arresting officers seem like overzealous tyrants ruling with arbitrary laws. We don't know what happened in the minutes and seconds leading up to Hat's arrest, but judging from how suddenly he was placed in handcuffs, I'm willing to bet there is a lot more to this than the video is implying.
Notice how after he is put on the ground, another person grabs their phone and one person grabs an actual video camera and starts recording it. These people are reacting to what's happening as it is occurring. Their video, capturing the arrest and the aftermath could be entitled 'GUY ARRESTED FOR WEARING HAT' and we'd know nothing about it otherwise. I'm sure the person recording the original video only broke out his camera/phone after some ordeal went down that would necessitate a recording. Nobody outside of that room knows what happened leading up to the arrest, but something obviously went down, otherwise our documentarian would not have felt the need to record the moments leading up to the arrest.
There's obviously a reason for the court to justify their actions, but even if there aren't, and this video is what it is on the surface alone, there's nothing that can be done about it. The court is literally the house of law, and if you disobey a rule or law, you face the consequences. It may be an arbitrary rule that led to a potential overreaction, but the bigger overreaction was Hat not taking his hat off after being asked, then complaining about how the officers reacted to his blatant disrespect for figures of authority.
That being said, it was a pretty sweet hat.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jan 26, 2011 17:33:34 GMT -5
The video starts at an awfully convenient time to make Hat McCullough (as he will be referenced throughout this post) seem like the anti-establishment hero, while at the same time make the bailiff and arresting officers seem like overzealous tyrants ruling with arbitrary laws. We don't know what happened in the minutes and seconds leading up to Hat's arrest, but judging from how suddenly he was placed in handcuffs, I'm willing to bet there is a lot more to this than the video is implying. Notice how after he is put on the ground, another person grabs their phone and one person grabs an actual video camera and starts recording it. These people are reacting to what's happening as it is occurring. Their video, capturing the arrest and the aftermath could be entitled 'GUY ARRESTED FOR WEARING HAT' and we'd know nothing about it otherwise. I'm sure the person recording the original video only broke out his camera/phone after some ordeal went down that would necessitate a recording. Nobody outside of that room knows what happened leading up to the arrest, but something obviously went down, otherwise our documentarian would not have felt the need to record the moments leading up to the arrest. There's obviously a reason for the court to justify their actions, but even if there aren't, and this video is what it is on the surface alone, there's nothing that can be done about it. The court is literally the house of law, and if you disobey a rule or law, you face the consequences. It may be an arbitrary rule that led to a potential overreaction, but the bigger overreaction was Hat not taking his hat off after being asked, then complaining about how the officers reacted to his blatant disrespect for figures of authority. That being said, it was a pretty sweet hat. He is an activist that doesn't believe in violence. Their cameras were going the entire time. They are professionals and get arrested all the time for these stupid laws. That is why the cops jumped on him so fast. They have a prejudice against activists up in New Hampshire who are trying to make changes with civil disobedience. If someone was in my house and I told them to take off their hat and they didn't and I tackled him and held him against his will and locked him up for it I would be call a kidnapper and a violent person. There is no difference here. Judges are not god. They are suppose to be civil servants. A court room is a public place paid for by the public.
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Post by Rococo on Jan 26, 2011 17:41:03 GMT -5
There's no reason why they should have him remove the hat. It's a completely pointless rule and to ARREST somebody and use physical force for a rule that doesn't even make sense is absurd. Wearing a hat isn't disrespectful. Personally I've always been majorly against the thought process of "It'd have been easier to remove the hat, so he's in the wrong". That's how bulls*** societal rules like "wearing a hat is disrespectful" get promoted in the first place. If people don't fight it, it'll never change. It's disrespectful if the judge sees it that way. Like has been said before, in the courtroom, the judge is essentially God. Removing the hat is a sign of respect, and if the judge asks you to remove your hat, you take the dang thing off. It's protocol, and it's how things are done. Don't like it? Enjoy your time in the holding cell for contempt. Haha @ the notion that judges are 'god's; they deserve no more respect than anyone else, they're simply there to place the final judgement and they're certainly not equatable to a deity. As it has been mentioned before, whilst the man in question could have removed his hat to save himself this inconvenience, this antiquated and rather arbitrary rule shouldn't even be in place. Why is removing ones hat a sign of respect? What is it - specifically - about that article of clothing that signifies disrespect? The court proceedings would play out were he wearing a hat or not. Arbitrary and unnecessary laws like this are all too common, unfortunately - this video is evidence that these laws should be expelled as they have no place in a progressive society.
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Post by sryans on Jan 26, 2011 17:44:30 GMT -5
If someone robs you, you can't track them down and lock them in your basement for six years, so there is a difference between you punishing someone and courts doing it.
I am not saying that excessive force was not used, but is there anywhere we can see what happened leading up to that arrest? It appears as though the cops were talking to him and he refused to be arrested so they had to arrest him in that manner.
Also, "I did not sign that policy" and "The hat is my property" are really stupid arguments. That guy was looking to make a point.
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