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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 9, 2010 12:51:13 GMT -5
That all said: HARD SALARY CAP NOW, DAMNIT. Like I said earlier, Im totally for it and have been for years
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2010 13:08:17 GMT -5
I'm all for a salary cap if a salary floor goes with it.
Of course, the MLBPA thinks otherwise, so it will never happen.
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Ben Wyatt
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 9, 2010 13:38:52 GMT -5
I'm all for a salary cap if a salary floor goes with it. Of course, the MLBPA thinks otherwise, so it will never happen. The MLBPA has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much power
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 9, 2010 13:47:20 GMT -5
If a hard cap is put in place, a hard floor is automatically established, as well, ala NHL.
What I'd want to see is a floor where, if you don't meet the minimum budget for your big league roster, you at least prove to the league, with proper documentation, that you're putting that money towards scouting, international amateur signings, paying over slot in the draft, etc. So if the floor was, say, $45 million, but you only fielded $35 million, then you'd damn well better show me at least $10 million going to work in your minor leagues and scouting departments/signings.
And to tag along with the Red Sox Nation members who agree on this, I'm a rabid Mets fan. My team regularly spends near the top...they just usually do it poorly.
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 9, 2010 13:55:50 GMT -5
If a hard cap is put in place, a hard floor is automatically established, as well, ala NHL. What I'd want to see is a floor where, if you don't meet the minimum budget for your big league roster, you at least prove to the league, with proper documentation, that you're putting that money towards scouting, international amateur signings, paying over slot in the draft, etc. So if the floor was, say, $45 million, but you only fielded $35 million, then you'd damn well better show me at least $10 million going to work in your minor leagues and scouting departments/signings. And to tag along with the Red Sox Nation members who agree on this, I'm a rabid Mets fan. My team regularly spends near the top...they just usually do it poorly. Look, Im not making excuses here. The Sox have been in the top 3 spending teams for years now. I speak as a fan, who thinks skyrocketing ticket prices every year is completely asinine. Who thinks that players should NOT be making 20 million a year to play effing baseball. Not when your average Joe (who with this econnomy is having trouble making ends meet) is being priced out of taking his kids. I dont think they should be playing for peanuts, but clearly the whole system is out of whack. The poor bastards in KC and Pittsburg never have a chance from the get go. Their fans know they're cooked even on opening day
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2010 14:03:56 GMT -5
That's a common fallacy: that fans pay for their players' salaries. That simply isn't the case. Completely different budgets.
If the Yankees decreased their annual payroll of their players by $100 million, tickets to Yankee Stadium wouldn't get cheaper. Now if the Yankees started sucking because of that and you have a situation like with the Mets where the fans, especially season ticket holders, lose faith in the team and stop buying tickets, then prices would go down (or you have wacky stuff like all the stunts the Mets are trying out).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 14:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by turkeysandwich on Dec 9, 2010 14:34:34 GMT -5
I'm all for a salary cap if a salary floor goes with it. Of course, the MLBPA thinks otherwise, so it will never happen. It still won't solve everything. The NBA has a salary cap and floor, and as a Memphis Grizzlies fan I can tell you they use the floor as a cap for their spending. I remember a couple of years ago the Grizz had to spend $21 million in the offseason just to reach the salary floor, so they signed people that were worthless. And like the Pirates and Royals in baseball, we know we have no chance at a championship starting opening day. If there was a cap and floor in baseball the Royals, Pirates, Marlins would still be the bottom spenders. I see a lot of the problem being that teams like KC and Pittsburgh receive a lot money from revenue sharing that the ownership doesn't put back into the team's payroll. MLB needs to enforce that part better, which would help these teams improve.
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 9, 2010 14:38:00 GMT -5
Even if the Yankees land Lee they are not going to be the best team in the East. Right. How about they get on the field in April for that to be figured out. I believe the Red Sox were the team with historic depth at the pitching position the last couple of years and did absolutely nil. The Red Sox have added to a lineup that got ravaged by injuries. The Yankees on the other hand have added nothing to their lineup except to resign their overpaid aging shortstop. Lee would make the rotation better but the bullpen outside of Rivera is still mediocre at best.
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 9, 2010 14:45:04 GMT -5
It still won't solve everything. The NBA has a salary cap and floor, and as a Memphis Grizzlies fan I can tell you they use the floor as a cap for their spending. I remember a couple of years ago the Grizz had to spend $21 million in the offseason just to reach the salary floor, so they signed people that were worthless. And like the Pirates and Royals in baseball, we know we have no chance at a championship starting opening day. If there was a cap and floor in baseball the Royals, Pirates, Marlins would still be the bottom spenders. I see a lot of the problem being that teams like KC and Pittsburgh receive a lot money from revenue sharing that the ownership doesn't put back into the team's payroll. MLB needs to enforce that part better, which would help these teams improve. Terrific point. Some part of the blame has to fall there, yet gets ignored. Honestly (and this is ironic given the current chance of a lockout) the NFL might have the best salary system
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Post by Vampiro138 on Dec 9, 2010 14:48:35 GMT -5
well after reading Hendry's comments as well as what Maddux has said...im putting the Pena signing on Greg Maddux as well since Greg was the one to strike a deal with Boras as Scott used to be Maddux's agent. so right now the two moves Maddux has made in his "assistant GM" job title was telling Hendry to go after DeWitt as he is a good player, and also getting Pena for us and having it cost us 5 mil this year, then 5 mil in janurary 2012.
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 9, 2010 14:59:12 GMT -5
According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, the New York Yankees have presented an array of contract proposals to Cliff Lee, with his options including (a) a five-year, $125 million contract, (b) a six-year, $144 million contract, and (c) a seven-year, $161 million contract. A contingent of Rangers officials are reportedly traveling to Arkansas today to meet with Cliff Lee personally and hopefully attain a better understanding of what would be required for Texas to sign him.
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Post by S-Chrome on Dec 9, 2010 15:33:14 GMT -5
The Red Sox have added to a lineup that got ravaged by injuries. The Yankees on the other hand have added nothing to their lineup except to resign their overpaid aging shortstop. Lee would make the rotation better but the bullpen outside of Rivera is still mediocre at best. Ah, so the Yankees were supposed to throw insane money at Carl Crawford to have more MLB fans bitching about their spending ways when Gardner, at a much cheaper price, does everything that Crawford does, barring batting average and adequate power. The Yankees don't need to add much to their lineup, as they had the highest-scoring offense in the Majors this past year, even with Jeter, Rodriguez, Teixeira and Granderson having down seasons. Bullpens go from good to bad from year to year very easily, and as long as Mariano Rivera is better than any other team's closer, the Yankees' bullpen shortcomings aren't so glaring.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2010 16:01:10 GMT -5
The Yankees had a terrific bullpen in the second half of the season. Arguably the best 'pen in baseball around that time. And that's without Mariano Rivera. The bullpen is fine. Starting pitching is what I'm worried about. If they don't sign Lee and Pettitte retires (though I can't see both going down at the same time), that leaves Sabathia, the very inconsistent AJ Burnett, a still growing Phil Hughes, and err uh...
Granted, without Kerry Wood, that bullpen's value goes down a lot, but Logan and Joba were both really good during the second half of the season (postseason... less so, but the Yanks had much bigger problems during the ALCS than their bullpen). Otherwise, I think the bullpen is fine. Let's see what happens this postseason. Maybe they'll get a few decent relievers to complement their current guys. Hopefully a lefty or two so there isn't only one (assuming Marte comes back).
And again, Carl Crawford was totally unnecessary for the Yanks. They have a slightly worse and MUCH cheaper, much younger (and much whiter) Carl Crawford named Brett Gardner. He simply isn't needed in their lineup when Gardner does his job perfectly fine. And it's not like they're going to see him any more or less than they did when he was in Tampa. He'll be as equal a pain in the butt in Boston as he was in St. Pete.
AGonz is what I'm more worried about. But I'm not going to give them the AL East title anytime soon. That's what a baseball season is for. I don't think anyone in the postseason would've picked Tampa as the division winner last year, but there you go.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 9, 2010 16:27:37 GMT -5
Are the Orioles...actually...trying....to compete?
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Post by domrep on Dec 9, 2010 16:38:21 GMT -5
Are the Orioles...actually...trying....to compete? They've been trying for awhile, at least since Andy McPhail took over. The O's are probably going to need to have a season like Tampa Bay has had the last 3 years. Otherwise, all of this is for naught. In any other division, they are probably an 80 win team.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2010 16:42:05 GMT -5
I think the O's have a shot of being competitive this year. I dunno if they'll have a winning season, but even if they're .500 that has to be seen as a huge improvement.
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Post by domrep on Dec 9, 2010 16:45:49 GMT -5
Thee Orioles need a long term solution at first base. In my view, they should have gone after Gonzalez. Or even see what it would take to get Prince Fielder. Sometimes you have to give up quality to get quality, if it means a top pitcher or two, I think you have to do it.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 9, 2010 16:54:19 GMT -5
I'd love for Baltimore to be competitive. I was a big fan of the late 90s teams that were good. It's just a shame that they don't really have any shot at ever making the Play Offs any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 16:54:49 GMT -5
I think the O's have a shot of being competitive this year. I dunno if they'll have a winning season, but even if they're .500 that has to be seen as a huge improvement. Right now, i'm at a point where all I just want is a winning season again. That's what I wanted last year, it's what I want this year. If we make a playoff run (let alone in our division), more power to them, but i'm at a "taking it one step at a time" process.
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