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Post by jobber2010 on Oct 7, 2010 15:47:26 GMT -5
We spend lots of time here reminsicing about the 90s, and how much better wrestling was back then than now... but lets try... and try hard... to think of things in the year 2010 that are better than they were at the height of the Attitude era/nWo era ....
I cant think of a thing...
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Oct 7, 2010 15:58:37 GMT -5
The only thing I could say is that the guys today can do amazing moves and spots that wrestlers back in the 80's and early 90's could never dream of. Also the advancement of the production value, but that's all they got on older wrestling.
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Post by Naniwa on Oct 7, 2010 15:59:31 GMT -5
indie wrestling, in the late 90's the focus of most indies seemed to be on hardcore and spotfest matches, I think since ROH has become the prominent indie promotion there has been a lot more emphasis on athletic guys who can have a good strait match and tell a story rather than fat guys smashing light tubes into each other's faces (ie- most of ECW's undercard workers).
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 7, 2010 16:04:22 GMT -5
Nowadays, wrestlers can come from other countries than the USA without it consuming their gimmick.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 7, 2010 16:25:16 GMT -5
Flashier moves , higher production values, Wellness testing, arguably better treatment of women (probably a wash. Less stripping down to their bras and panties, but somehow taken less seriously overall), better spots for minorities, Michael Cole's announcing, WWE's social outreach (Make-A-Wish, reading, troop support, etc), a lot more wrestling available overall, better indy wrestling, no chairshots to the head, more interactivity between wrestlers and fans (Twitter, blogs, etc)
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Post by jobber2010 on Oct 7, 2010 17:28:40 GMT -5
Flashier moves , higher production values True. As far as saving lives, I agree. Too many casualties already. er.... have you seen how much the TNA Knockouts get paid? Hmmm... not sure... the 90s WCW roster was loaded with Mexican and Japanese wrestlers, introducing them to many Americans for the firs time.. Rey, Juventud, Psychosis, Ultimo Dragon, etc. Also let us not forget Ron Simmons (former NWA champion and member of Doom), Butch Reed, Koko B Ware (Hall of Famer), JYD (as popular as anyone in the mid 80s, WWF), Norman Smiley, Rev Slick (managed tag champs Sheik and Volkoff), Ernie Ladd, and of course... Burrhead Jones. Who do you have now... Rey without the mask? Kofi? Orlando Jordan? True, it only could get better... Totally... agreed. Maybe as far as DVDs and WWE 24/7. But Today you have RAW, Superstars, Smackdown, NXT, and IMPACT. In the 90s, you had RAW, Smackdown, Heat, Velocity, Shotgun Sat. Night, Nitro, Thunder, WCW Saturday Night,and WCW Main Event (Sundays). Definitely. Naw, I miss those. Yeah, but what is it worth if the wrestlers are not that exciting. |
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Oct 7, 2010 18:00:26 GMT -5
Compared to Attitude era? Pretty much everything is better now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 18:16:40 GMT -5
Compared to Attitude era? Pretty much everything is better now. Pretty much what I was going to say. Yes, wrestling was more popular and had better characters (especially the main eventers) but nowadays the in ring style of the guys who've come up in the last decade blows the wrestlers of the 90's away (minus the luchadors and Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, etc.). Also as bad as TNA is, I still like it better than 99-2001 WCW, and ROH is just as good as ECW was, if not better. We also have Dragon Gate USA now, which is pretty much the most awesome thing since ever. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 7, 2010 21:20:59 GMT -5
Higher awareness of concussions.
Still tons of work to do to actually get wrestling companies to start actively working to reduce the number of concussions, but in the past there was basically no regard for them.
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Post by Jacob Lee on Oct 7, 2010 21:34:14 GMT -5
Why is wrestling considered worse now? Did anybody watch the Attitude era? It was the same stuff as now except instead of being aimed at children it was seemingly written by teenage boys.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 8, 2010 1:20:32 GMT -5
Production values. That's it.
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Post by CaptainFall on Oct 8, 2010 2:09:33 GMT -5
Nostalgia always makes things better than they were. They'll be a bunch of guys in 2020 complaining how wrestling sucks and weren't things better in 2010.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 8, 2010 2:31:20 GMT -5
Nostalgia always makes things better than they were. They'll be a bunch of guys in 2020 complaining how wrestling sucks and weren't things better in 2010. I know this is a common sentiment but I don't agree with it. Sometimes it's true but not all the time. 80s WWF is even better than I remember it now that I've been watching the WWE classics on demand channel. But a show like Superfriends is absolute ass compared to something like Justice League Unlimited. Edit: I just realized we're talking about 90s. Same applies, although the attitude era seems more dated than the 80s for some reason. |
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Oct 8, 2010 2:32:06 GMT -5
When I saw "old wrestling" in the topic, I figured it would be the 80s or earlier.
I don't know. With the '90s, I just recall seeing matches I enjoyed a lot more often. I also enjoyed the "what's going to happen" feeling, though part of that can be attributed to the fact that I wasn't an internet fan at the time. Of course, I'm of the opinion that too much "What surprise are we going to have next?" type booking does more harm than good, but your opinion may vary.
It also seems that there are a lot of bland personalities that just don't stand out, even amongst each other.
I'll still take the '80s over all of it.
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Post by Nomad Soul on Oct 8, 2010 6:10:14 GMT -5
I'd back that up.
The real comparison should be made with the 80s and early 90s, not the Attitude Era, which is in many ways responsible for a lot of what is bad today (despite being a really fun rollercoaster ride at the time and even now looking back).
But for sheer variety and "having the best of both worlds", I don't think the period 83-93 can be beaten.
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Post by shadowangel on Oct 8, 2010 7:41:49 GMT -5
I would say that he best period of wrestling was 1988-1993 from a worldwide standpoint. You had some awesome american ppvs at the time like Great American Bash '89, WrestleWar '92, SummerSlam '92, new stars were made, like Sting, Undertaker. Awesome feuds like Steamboat - Flair. Japan delivered some groundbreaking wrestling with guys like Misawa, Kobashi, Kawada and awesome feuds like Misawa - Tsuruta from the early 90's Great wrestling, great shows, some extremer stuff like Cactus Jack - Vader. It was basically perfect. Yeah, the wrestling may seem a bit slow, but i rather watch a match with a good buildup, storytelling and some crowd-play then the senseless spotfests of today with no real selling and finishing moves that do everything but not finish a match  I don't even like the production values of today. Do we really need so much lighting? so many pyros? so many f***ing screens all over the arena? I liked the old entrance way with a curtain, some lights. Not more. The spotlight should always be on the wrestler and not on the lighting and pyro-effects or how loud the entrance themes are blasting from the speakers. I also don't need a quadrillion camera angles. One or two cams are okay, at least it minimizes the risk to see a wrestler blade |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 7:53:45 GMT -5
The greater emphasis on safety for the wrestlers. With more effort being put toward stopping steroid and other drug use and the banning of risky moves like chairshots to the head, piledrivers, and (like it or not) blading, hopefully this generation will be able to live out their twilight days in retirement instead of becoming crippled or dying before they hit 50. Edit: I'll also add the fact that since they pretty much own just about everything now, WWE is finally beginning to acknowledge wrestling's rich history and cash in on . With great DVD documentaries, Classics on Demand, "Legends" action figures, etc., it's a good time to be a wrestling fan. Also, we have WWE action figures by Mattel now that blow away the ones Jakks Pacific was doing.  |
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Oct 8, 2010 10:58:07 GMT -5
The athleticism is far and wide better now among everyone than it was.
Even back in the '90s, half the shows had fat hairy guys who couldn't really do anything but punch and dropkick.
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Post by jobber2010 on Oct 8, 2010 13:48:06 GMT -5
Nostalgia always makes things better than they were. They'll be a bunch of guys in 2020 complaining how wrestling sucks and weren't things better in 2010. Wrong. In 1997 and 1998, me and my buddies got together every Monday night and watched RAW and Nitro. Never missed a show. We used to mark out and yell like crazy at the tv. When Stone Cold would come out to confront McMahon we would go apesh*t. When the nWo came ouy, same thing... esp. before it got watered down with the B Team guys. So last night I called one of my buddies from back then and told him to turn on TNA Impact, bc Flair and Foley were wrestling. He ended up watching the show. Afterwards I called him up, and said, "hey man, we need to have TNA Impact parties every Thursday.. all get together and watch wrestling like we used to".. he laughed and said, "yeah right... I aint watchin' this shit ever again"... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 15:06:14 GMT -5
Things always seem cooler when you're younger.
I watch Attitude Era stuff now and wonder "What the heck did I see in it?"
Wrestling now is much more entertaining all the way around than wrestling then.
Today you have Chikara's great wacky characters and flashy moves like a living comic book, Shimmers athletic as hell female wrestlers with fun personalities, WWE still has great characters and ever better wrestlers than the 90's, TNA... well TNA is the ultimate wasted opportunity. Great, young wrestlers with charisma to spare, but the absolute worst stories.
I'll take Bryan Daniel vs The Miz for the US title over Jeff Jarrett vs The Godfather any ol' day of the week.
The thing is - wrestling was great in 90's, but I couldn't honestly watch the same stuff now that I'm ten years older. Its progressed so far that going back it just seems kind of tacky and out-dated to see the Rock talking about poontang pie.
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