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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 12:32:55 GMT -5
I'm more annoyed that everyone is shouting "MIZ LOOKS SO MUCH MORE LEGIT NOW" when he didn't take a single bump during that "falls count anywhere" match aside from being dove on by morrison from the set. Actually, I can't recall Miz ever taking a big bump period. Morrison carried that ENTIRE match. Because taking big bumps makes you legit.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Jan 4, 2011 12:52:59 GMT -5
The problem with relying on the same old faces has a huge problem and it's already starting to show.
HHH is out. Sure he can come back, but let's be brutally honest, if he messes up that knee again, he probably isn't coming back to the ring aside from the odd "Legend Cameo".
Cena has now just got injured at a house show (Somewhat ironic timing. Had it been a little earlier, his "Retirement" could have given him enough time to heal properly). Hell, last night showed they really are terrified of Cena not being able to show up as they (they being Cole) made "Cena may or may not be back next week" sound like we were going to be seeing the second coming of Christ next week...
Orton may be fit now and while it constantly astounds me just because of how boring he is, he IS over. But dammit, the guy is probably the most frail of the "Three Headed Raw Monster", so it's not much of a confidence boost when he's the only head who was fighting fit last night.
Then over on Smackdown we have Undertaker (Winding down his career), Rey (Like HHH, probably one injury away from forced retirement and even if that wasn't the case, he's only gonna go a few more years) and Edge (Injury prone like Orton)
Now see when it comes to building up new stars, Raw has Miz and Sheamus and Smackdown has Del Rio. All heels. Supposing the 6 Big Faces all end up getting injured (More likely then you may think) who do they have to be the face to save the day? Morrison is the best positioned one likely, but after him, who? Bryan I would put in second place for Raw, but there's a huge gap between him and Morrison when it comes to "Ready to be the star of the show". Smackdown Face? Honestly, I don't know... I would like to say Christian... but then he's injured too so alot of good it will be if Taker/Rey/Edge all get injured tonight.
Oh save_us.Y2J ;_;
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Post by Chronos on Jan 4, 2011 13:00:46 GMT -5
I'm more annoyed that everyone is shouting "MIZ LOOKS SO MUCH MORE LEGIT NOW" when he didn't take a single bump during that "falls count anywhere" match aside from being dove on by morrison from the set. Actually, I can't recall Miz ever taking a big bump period. Morrison carried that ENTIRE match. Because taking big bumps makes you legit. And much of the career of the guy who bumped him. It's true sometimes.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 4, 2011 13:20:47 GMT -5
Does the title of the thread have to be "So Tell Me WWE...", instead of just saying what it's about? I never really understood that, unless somebody does it with a joke thread.
Not knocking the premise, though: WWE clinging to the same cast of characters way past their expiration date isn't entirely new, and it's not a very good thing at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 13:25:28 GMT -5
Because taking big bumps makes you legit. And much of the career of the guy who bumped him. It's true sometimes. That match was one of the best things to happen to Orton.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 4, 2011 13:52:16 GMT -5
Wasn't this the same way in the Attitude Era? The belt seemed to constantly switch between Rock and Austin, with Foley occasionally coming into the picture.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 4, 2011 14:01:19 GMT -5
Wasn't this the same way in the Attitude Era? The belt seemed to constantly switch between Rock and Austin, with Foley occasionally coming into the picture. OI! nobody said you could take off those Rose-tinted glasses.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 4, 2011 14:02:37 GMT -5
I'm more annoyed that everyone is shouting "MIZ LOOKS SO MUCH MORE LEGIT NOW" when he didn't take a single bump during that "falls count anywhere" match aside from being dove on by morrison from the set. Actually, I can't recall Miz ever taking a big bump period. Morrison carried that ENTIRE match. Morrison's thing is that he takes bumps. He's a spot monkey. Not insulting him, that's just his deal. Miz was there to soak in the crowd heat and make Morrison look good (ending aside) and he did that perfectly.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Jan 4, 2011 14:05:34 GMT -5
Wasn't this the same way in the Attitude Era? The belt seemed to constantly switch between Rock and Austin, with Foley occasionally coming into the picture. I suppose in hindsight. But then again, I was a kid back then. I hardly even cared about Austin in all honesty. I was a DX and Too Cool mark.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 15:43:53 GMT -5
Because taking big bumps makes you legit. And much of the career of the guy who bumped him. It's true sometimes. It's not the only way though. Nor does it guarantee anything
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Post by Chronos on Jan 4, 2011 17:07:38 GMT -5
That's why I said "sometimes." It absolutely takes more than just big spots to be legit, I was just stating an example where a big bump made a guy more legit, as a "there are exceptions" provision. If spots were all that mattered every wrestler would be 2000 Jeff Hardy.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 4, 2011 17:24:28 GMT -5
I'm more annoyed that everyone is shouting "MIZ LOOKS SO MUCH MORE LEGIT NOW" when he didn't take a single bump during that "falls count anywhere" match aside from being dove on by morrison from the set. Actually, I can't recall Miz ever taking a big bump period. Morrison carried that ENTIRE match. Because taking big bumps makes you legit. Jeff Hardy says hello. He also said he could hook you up with some pain pills if you wanted. Call him later.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 4, 2011 17:45:05 GMT -5
Because taking big bumps makes you legit. Jeff Hardy says hello. He also said he could hook you up with some pain pills if you wanted. Call him later. If he doesn't answer, he's probably in the studio making terrible music. Leave a message.
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Post by sarun on Jan 4, 2011 18:04:48 GMT -5
I remember the second half of 2008 being fresh for Raw atleast. Cena and Orton were both injured, while HHH was on Smackdown. We had Batista, CM Punk, JBL, Jericho, and HBK all in the Main Event scene I do agree with idea that new main eventers are needed but out of curiosity I checked RAW TV ratings when Cena was out injured in 2008. Ratings dropped 3.3 to 2.8 and never went above 3.1 until Cena returned. There were lot of 2's. It climbed from 2.9 back to 3.3 after Cena returned on Survivor Series and won WHC. I guess this was one of the reasons why they are updating current Cena injuries and the way they handled Cena fired angle. Counterpoint: Cena was injured during MLB + NFL season.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 4, 2011 18:32:26 GMT -5
I don't recall the Attitude Era being anywhere near as absurd in terms of the world title scene. There were matches like UT/HBK, HBK/Austin, Austin/Foley, Austin/Kane, Austin/UT, Kane/UT, Foley/Rock, Rock/Austin, Rock/UT, Austin/HHH, Big Show/Bossman (?!), Big Show/HHH, HHH/Foley, Rock/HHH, Rock/Benoit, Rock/Angle, Angle/UT, etc. That's a lot of different match ups.
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 4, 2011 18:37:46 GMT -5
I'm more annoyed that everyone is shouting "MIZ LOOKS SO MUCH MORE LEGIT NOW" when he didn't take a single bump during that "falls count anywhere" match aside from being dove on by morrison from the set. Actually, I can't recall Miz ever taking a big bump period. Morrison carried that ENTIRE match. Morrison's thing is that he takes bumps. He's a spot monkey. Not insulting him, that's just his deal. Miz was there to soak in the crowd heat and make Morrison look good (ending aside) and he did that perfectly. Thank you. This business takes all kinds... athletic guys, charismatic guys, built guys, fat guys, skinny guys, srs guys, comedy guys. Sure, we idolize the guys who can embody multiple characteristics, but sometimes all you need is guys who complement each other well enough to make a program work. Anyway, to the topic of the thread, I agree with whoever above said that Cena and Orton are as big as they are, at least in part, because they've received relentless promotion and faith from the company. Hence, to say only they should be in the main event because they are the biggest because they've been... put in the main events consistently... see? It's a circular argument. Ideally, I think there should be as deep a pool as possible of guys who the audience could buy in a variety of feuds, from the mid to the top of the card. That way, you've got more options for matchups, and more variety for your main events.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 4, 2011 20:07:36 GMT -5
I'm calling it right now. Morrison wins the Royal Rumble and beats Miz for the title at WrestleMania. I think the match last night was an appetizer to get the fans pumped for the big rematch at Mania. They won't even risk the Rumble having Miz/Morrison for the title, why would they have it be at WrestleMania? WHY?!!! WHY MUST YOU CRUSH MY HOPES?!!!!! In all seriousness, it's because that's the way it looks to me. Who else would Miz face at Maina? Cena looks like he fighting Punk. Triple H still has to deal with Sheamus. I would say Orton, but if that's the case why are they having a match at the Rumble? Daniel Bryan? Maybe, but if that was the case wouldn't he be on Raw last night? I think the WWE wants to further build up Morrison as a main eventer so they have him win the Rumble. The Miz taunts Morrison, reminding him that he's been more successful and Morrison is the Jannetty of the team. It sets up a do or die situation for Morrison. If he doesn't win the title he'll be in the Miz's shadow forever. Look, I could be wrong about this. It wouldn't be the first time. But the WWE needs new top stars as many have retired or will retire soon. And I believe the WWE sees Morrison as one of the stars of the future. And what better way to break through to the top then at the biggest stage of them all?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 21:04:57 GMT -5
Because taking big bumps makes you legit. Jeff Hardy says hello. He also said he could hook you up with some pain pills if you wanted. Call him later. I tried calling him but I just heard this strange voice on the other end ask "What is friendship?" before rambling about some kind of anti-christ of professional wrestling nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 21:14:17 GMT -5
That's why I said "sometimes." It absolutely takes more than just big spots to be legit, I was just stating an example where a big bump made a guy more legit, as a "there are exceptions" provision. If spots were all that mattered every wrestler would be 2000 Jeff Hardy. Oh I agree, sorry if it appeared differently.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 4, 2011 22:44:19 GMT -5
Wasn't this the same way in the Attitude Era? The belt seemed to constantly switch between Rock and Austin, with Foley occasionally coming into the picture. Not exactly, plus the era where they dominated only last a few years, not over 6. Plus, the midcard was infinitely more over, so Austin and Rock weren't the ONLY things going on on the show. That said, I don't really like the Attitude Era in retrospect, so I'm not using the rose-tinted shades, but it's a different situation than today.
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