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Post by Connor Mackenzie on Oct 26, 2011 18:29:29 GMT -5
2. As a guy who reads Shadow and Doc Savage pulp reprints, I liked your pick Connor. ;D Glad you liked it BRB.
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Johnny B. Decent
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 26, 2011 19:16:47 GMT -5
Is Seth back to being a Heel?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 26, 2011 19:21:35 GMT -5
Is Seth back to being a Heel? Not really as the only person Seth really has a problem with is Jonathan.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 26, 2011 19:24:00 GMT -5
Sorry, it's just talking ambushing and being really whiney in that promo made me wonder.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 26, 2011 19:25:52 GMT -5
Sorry, it's just talking ambushing and being really whiney in that promo made me wonder. He feels Jonathan ambushed him and the only he feels that he can get back at Jonathan is to ambush him.
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Post by Viva on Oct 26, 2011 19:54:52 GMT -5
Sorry, it's just talking ambushing and being really whiney in that promo made me wonder. He feels Jonathan ambushed him and the only he feels that he can get back at Jonathan is to ambush him. You mean, the only way he can get back at Jonathan is to completely juxtapose everything he says he stands for? This is my issue with your character. You are NOT A FACE. You're a heel. You just white knight every single cause for your own character. You can't do whatever you want, act like a total asshole, and then call yourself a face. Call a spade a spade. Gus Richlen, Jonathan Michaels, they're faces. You're not. You aren't even a tweener at this point. You're pretty staunchly heel. I wish we'd stop pretending otherwise. Again, I might seem upset about it. I'm not. I just don't get the point of maintaining one thing and then completely contradicting it. I could call a turd a brownie forever, but it's still a turd. You can call a heel a face forever, but he's still a heel. Until you stop beating the shit out of people for no reason other than you think they deserve it, you're pretty heel.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 26, 2011 20:01:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to agree. It's nothing wrong, some people are just better being on one side of the fence then another.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 26, 2011 20:04:12 GMT -5
He feels Jonathan ambushed him and the only he feels that he can get back at Jonathan is to ambush him. You mean, the only way he can get back at Jonathan is to completely juxtapose everything he says he stands for? This is my issue with your character. You are NOT A FACE. You're a heel. You just white knight every single cause for your own character. You can't do whatever you want, act like a total asshole, and then call yourself a face. Call a spade a spade. Gus Richlen, Jonathan Michaels, they're faces. You're not. You aren't even a tweener at this point. You're pretty staunchly heel. I wish we'd stop pretending otherwise. Again, I might seem upset about it. I'm not. I just don't get the point of maintaining one thing and then completely contradicting it. I could call a turd a brownie forever, but it's still a turd. You can call a heel a face forever, but he's still a heel. Until you stop beating the s*** out of people for no reason other than you think they deserve it, you're pretty heel. Okay............Seth is not a face......Seth is whatever the hell he wants to be at a certain time.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Oct 26, 2011 20:37:33 GMT -5
You mean, the only way he can get back at Jonathan is to completely juxtapose everything he says he stands for? This is my issue with your character. You are NOT A FACE. You're a heel. You just white knight every single cause for your own character. You can't do whatever you want, act like a total asshole, and then call yourself a face. Call a spade a spade. Gus Richlen, Jonathan Michaels, they're faces. You're not. You aren't even a tweener at this point. You're pretty staunchly heel. I wish we'd stop pretending otherwise. Again, I might seem upset about it. I'm not. I just don't get the point of maintaining one thing and then completely contradicting it. I could call a turd a brownie forever, but it's still a turd. You can call a heel a face forever, but he's still a heel. Until you stop beating the s*** out of people for no reason other than you think they deserve it, you're pretty heel. Okay............Seth is not a face......Seth is whatever the hell he wants to be at a certain time. A better disposition in my opinion. Consider Steve Austin, the Rock, and the Undertaker; they are three personas who could transition seamlessly to face or heel roles without changing anything about their characters. Some people call this being a tweener,"but I disagree, as they still fulfilled a face our hero role in their matches. In any case, I think that your character would fit rather well in this role. I like to think that my character, when in his classic persona, fell into this rare category too. It's a nice gig because you don't need much imagination to turn face or heel - you only need to have a clear motivation and an opponent to play off of.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 26, 2011 20:39:08 GMT -5
I wondering out loud: Is there any way I could turn face?
Not planning to, just wondering.
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Post by Viva on Oct 26, 2011 20:41:50 GMT -5
Okay............Seth is not a face......Seth is whatever the hell he wants to be at a certain time. A better disposition in my opinion. Consider Steve Austin, the Rock, and the Undertaker; they are three personas who could transition seamlessly to face or heel roles without changing anything about their characters. Some people call this being a tweener,"but I disagree, as they still fulfilled a face our hero role in their matches. In any case, I think that your character would fit rather well in this role. I like to think that my character, when in his classic persona, fell into this rare category too. It's a nice gig because you don't need much imagination to turn face or heel - you only need to have a clear motivation and an opponent to play off of. While I agree with the Anti-Hero sentiments, I guess it's hard to see him in that role because he's the FIRST to say that he's absolutely correct and justified in his actions. Even when he clearly isn't. And he'll sit there and promo back and forth with you about how he's right and you're wrong, when he's really stretching on logic. It makes Seth's character hard to promo with, and the promos often end up as boring bickering back and forth. There's absolutely no give at all. He's never wrong. And when he does shitty things, its because it was the absolute right thing to do. Always. He never f***s up, really. When he lost due to distraction, it wasn't his fault. It was our fault, as heels, for distracting him. And he wants revenge. Always.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Oct 26, 2011 20:58:04 GMT -5
A better disposition in my opinion. Consider Steve Austin, the Rock, and the Undertaker; they are three personas who could transition seamlessly to face or heel roles without changing anything about their characters. Some people call this being a tweener,"but I disagree, as they still fulfilled a face our hero role in their matches. In any case, I think that your character would fit rather well in this role. I like to think that my character, when in his classic persona, fell into this rare category too. It's a nice gig because you don't need much imagination to turn face or heel - you only need to have a clear motivation and an opponent to play off of.[/aguirre] While I agree with the Anti-Hero sentiments, I guess it's hard to see him in that role because he's the FIRST to say that he's absolutely correct and justified in his actions. Even when he clearly isn't. And he'll sit there and promo back and forth with you about how he's right and you're wrong, when he's really stretching on logic. It makes Seth's character hard to promo with, and the promos often end up as boring bickering back and forth. There's absolutely no give at all. He's never wrong. And when he does s***ty things, its because it was the absolute right thing to do. Always. He never f***s up, really. When he lost due to distraction, it wasn't his fault. It was our fault, as heels, for distracting him. And he wants revenge. Always. Sounds like a new category: a Heel's Heel. ;D Seriously though, I'll let you two work things out, though you could try to work a feud with him in which your character calls his character out on those very qualities. I don't just mean a promo war, I mean that you try to pin his shoulders to the mat for three seconds over your misgivings.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 26, 2011 20:58:07 GMT -5
A better disposition in my opinion. Consider Steve Austin, the Rock, and the Undertaker; they are three personas who could transition seamlessly to face or heel roles without changing anything about their characters. Some people call this being a tweener,"but I disagree, as they still fulfilled a face our hero role in their matches. In any case, I think that your character would fit rather well in this role. I like to think that my character, when in his classic persona, fell into this rare category too. It's a nice gig because you don't need much imagination to turn face or heel - you only need to have a clear motivation and an opponent to play off of. While I agree with the Anti-Hero sentiments, I guess it's hard to see him in that role because he's the FIRST to say that he's absolutely correct and justified in his actions. Even when he clearly isn't. And he'll sit there and promo back and forth with you about how he's right and you're wrong, when he's really stretching on logic. It makes Seth's character hard to promo with, and the promos often end up as boring bickering back and forth. There's absolutely no give at all. He's never wrong. And when he does s***ty things, its because it was the absolute right thing to do. Always. He never f***s up, really. When he lost due to distraction, it wasn't his fault. It was our fault, as heels, for distracting him. And he wants revenge. Always. He does admit when he does things that disgusts him personally, but he knows he has to do. Like when he attacked Allison Sadness, he admits that it was a terrible thing he did. And the distraction thing, he gave up on using that as an excuse now and has planned on making himself more willing to accept losses. What I don't think his character will ever be able to accept is when people make things personal.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Oct 26, 2011 21:05:00 GMT -5
I wondering out loud: Is there any way I could turn face? Not planning to, just wondering. Consider that almost every face of note in the last thirty years first got over as a charismatic heel. I'd say that you first need to have likable qualities that can translate to a face persona should the opportunity present itself. Without anything likable about your character, he will always be a heel, because that's what heels are all about.
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Post by Viva on Oct 26, 2011 21:21:39 GMT -5
Absolutely you can turn face. That's the beauty of it.
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Post by Jazzman on Oct 26, 2011 21:22:15 GMT -5
I wondering out loud: Is there any way I could turn face? Not planning to, just wondering. No... just no. Again, you were going to kill someone in a feud, you don't go back from that. The only way is if you find religion and repent for everything, and even then I'd expect him to burst into flames once he set foot inside the building. And that why everyone loves you, it's a heel excuse that people can go, "Well, I'm not as evil as that guy"
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 26, 2011 21:25:13 GMT -5
It's funny, I make that church joke a couple times at my house.
...And I think I've tried more then once to kill someone. Maybe.....three or so?
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Post by Jazzman on Oct 26, 2011 21:28:02 GMT -5
It's funny, I make that church joke a couple times at my house. ...And I think I've tried more then once to kill someone. Maybe.....three or so? Probably, I'm guessing it'll get to four once you and I address some unfinished business.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 26, 2011 21:29:06 GMT -5
Probably.
Though I've never implied rape. Got that going, I guess.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Oct 26, 2011 22:06:37 GMT -5
Everyone has to have thier line
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