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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 10, 2011 9:38:00 GMT -5
Well let's see:
The Austin segment got a 4.46. The Sheamus/DB segment went down about 1.1 million viewers. Since there is around that many viewers for a full rating point, the segment still scored around a 3.5 by my calculations, which is not bad by any means.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Mar 10, 2011 9:41:37 GMT -5
I don't consider it a knock on Bryan or Sheamus. That being said, they've both been booked horribly and treated like they're barely considered afterthoughts for the past several months. It should be no surprise that the fans stopped caring about either one of them. That (again) being said, no matter who you put in that slot, ratings were going to drop by a million viewers. There is nobody on the roster (including the almighty Cena) who has the drawing power of Austin or the Rock. And that "should" be a wakeup call for the WWE -- they need to start seriously getting behind some of their current talent, because the fans aren't buying the current crop of talent or the WWE's yo-yo pushing. Unfortunately, what will more likely happen is that WWE will increase their reliance on yesterday's stars to draw viewers instead of giving fans a reason to give a s*** about today's stars. Vince will blame the current wrestlers -- "You all suck and can't draw a dime" -- despite the fact that the bookers are 100% of the reason that they're not getting over; they're being booked like crap and anyone who dares to get over on their own quickly has the rug pulled out from under them and is put into some kind of 'losing streak' storyline that the WWE is hellbent on regurgitating every so often. Bryan and Sheamus will likely be the ones punished for the rating drop even though there's nobody else on the roster who would have done a whole lot better. Every week that goes by, it looks like Vince is saying "You want JBL? No? Trish? Austin? Rock? Whatever you want...here it is, but Please....just....Please! Keep watching!!!". It's very obvious that he's already breaking out the stars of yesteryear to prop up what is an otherwise weak Wrestlemania card, and after this it's possible that he could use the same begging and pleading tactics to prop up Raw too, rather than take the time to push new talent. How long have we been waiting for this "new talent" now? 5-10 years? You have to use the older talent at times to enhance interest in the current product. It makes sense.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 10, 2011 9:48:34 GMT -5
It's a shameful thing, you lost 1 MILLION VIEWERS.
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Post by Grotto on Mar 10, 2011 10:20:56 GMT -5
There seem to be a lot of people on this board that know how to run a multi-billion dollar sports entertainment company. Anyone here actually have an actual resume to back it up?
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 10, 2011 10:39:21 GMT -5
There seem to be a lot of people on this board that know how to run a multi-billion dollar sports entertainment company. Anyone here actually have an actual resume to back it up? So you're saying there's nothing wrong with the current product?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 10:40:09 GMT -5
Attitude Era casual fans still exist. They just have no reason to watch the current product. Once Rock and Austin ride off into the sunset again, that will be the real test for Raw's ratings. Clearly the ratings spiked a ton after Rock's unexpected appearance a few weeks back.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 10, 2011 11:07:16 GMT -5
quoting the sentence after the bolded one in that paragrah:
"It’s totally clear this audience came to see Austin, and once they saw him, they left, and only came back at 11 p.m. thinking something big was going to happen whether it’s Austin, Rock or just the Cena promo, and I think it’s a combination of all three."
OP is trollin'.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 10, 2011 11:08:57 GMT -5
Johnny Ace needs to go ahead and fire Bryan and Sheamus. After all they didn't keep the audience's attention once Austin left. If we are going by that quota, then the rest of the Raw roster needs to be fired also. Why point single them out losing viewers? You want WWE to become like TNA? Push only veterans and big names in the spotlight? Prepare for more bitching about Cena, Orton, and HHH being the center of attention. Rating didn't go up during the Miz's title reign so strip him of the belt and give it back to Cena. That will fix everything. Right?
Wrong. In order to build for the future, you need to be willing to deal with the short term problems. Most of the current WWE roster are not rating getters yet. No need to give up on them because of that fact.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Mar 10, 2011 11:09:05 GMT -5
I really don't understand how this works. Did 1 Million people just have their spider-senses tingling that an Austin was near? Did a bunch of teenage kids just randomly think "HOLY CRAP, I THINK WWE IS SHOWING A VIDEO OF A HOT WOMAN RIGHT NOW?".
Or am I underestimating the power of Twitter.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 10, 2011 11:12:19 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan and Sheamus haven't been used strongly on tv at all, so it doesn't surprise me that much, especially after a Steve Austin return.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 10, 2011 11:23:47 GMT -5
I tuned out after the Shamus Bryan match because I was expecting a good match and was angry.
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Post by don on Mar 10, 2011 11:24:03 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan and Sheamus haven't been used strongly on tv at all, so it doesn't surprise me that much, especially after a Steve Austin return. I can't help but feel that everyone is using the "Austin excuse" simply because it's Daniel Bryan and Sheamus. I have a strong feeling that if it was a HHH vs. Undertaker segment that lost 1 million viewers, everyone would be saying things like, "This is proof that these two are no longer draws; it is time to make new stars, Austin or no Austin."
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 10, 2011 11:28:39 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan and Sheamus haven't been used strongly on tv at all, so it doesn't surprise me that much, especially after a Steve Austin return. I can't help but feel that everyone is using the "Austin excuse" simply because it's Daniel Bryan and Sheamus. I have a strong feeling that if it was a HHH vs. Undertaker segment that lost 1 million viewers, everyone would be saying things like, "This is proof that these two are no longer draws; it is time to make new stars, Austin or no Austin." I must've missed when Sheamus became an internet darling. And excuse or not it's the truth. Sheamus has pretty much been kicked down to the midcard and Bryan's been pretty much sitting on the U.S. belt and doing nothing ever since his feud with the Miz ended. Two people who could make credible main eventers instead just sort of...stagnating.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Mar 10, 2011 11:29:15 GMT -5
Well, everybody knew who wasn't winning anyways.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Mar 10, 2011 11:31:59 GMT -5
They could've put anyone in that spot and it would've lost a shitton of viewers. The ONLY way they would've maintained that number is to have Rock on and put him on right after Austin.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 10, 2011 11:33:43 GMT -5
I don't consider it a knock on Bryan or Sheamus. That being said, they've both been booked horribly and treated like they're barely considered afterthoughts for the past several months. It should be no surprise that the fans stopped caring about either one of them. That (again) being said, no matter who you put in that slot, ratings were going to drop by a million viewers. There is nobody on the roster (including the almighty Cena) who has the drawing power of Austin or the Rock. And that "should" be a wakeup call for the WWE -- they need to start seriously getting behind some of their current talent, because the fans aren't buying the current crop of talent or the WWE's yo-yo pushing. Unfortunately, what will more likely happen is that WWE will increase their reliance on yesterday's stars to draw viewers instead of giving fans a reason to give a s*** about today's stars. Vince will blame the current wrestlers -- "You all suck and can't draw a dime" -- despite the fact that the bookers are 100% of the reason that they're not getting over; they're being booked like crap and anyone who dares to get over on their own quickly has the rug pulled out from under them and is put into some kind of 'losing streak' storyline that the WWE is hellbent on regurgitating every so often. Bryan and Sheamus will likely be the ones punished for the rating drop even though there's nobody else on the roster who would have done a whole lot better. Every week that goes by, it looks like Vince is saying "You want JBL? No? Trish? Austin? Rock? Whatever you want...here it is, but Please....just....Please! Keep watching!!!". It's very obvious that he's already breaking out the stars of yesteryear to prop up what is an otherwise weak Wrestlemania card, and after this it's possible that he could use the same begging and pleading tactics to prop up Raw too, rather than take the time to push new talent. I think youre over thinking it here. I mean this as no offense because I find anaylsing this whole wrestling business very fun as evidenced by the fact that this will probably be a(possibly overlong) long post. I dont think trotting out rock,austin and the like is some sort of desperate plea to get attitude era record numbers or an admittance of a weak card. I think it's just usual vince pulling out every trick he can to make people buy mania. He's done this since wrestlemania one having muhammad ali,cyndi laupher,mr t and liberace at the event. Thats his thing. He uses either pre established celebrities or previous wrestling stars hes helped make to hook people in. He did this with bret last year or austin at mania 20(and dont say goldberg and lesnar have never drawn at all) or austin at mania 23(in a match where one of the people involved albeit in only a managerial role was donald trump so they didnt need austin as publicity). He's just loading up the card with whatever pagentry there is. That was the reason for that long kid rock segment years ago. Regardless of whether they build stars well or not(we'll get to that)I dont see this as them begging people to watch mania anymore than they have done every year since its inception. And as far as the card. I dont know I think its pretty cool. Youve got orton vs punk which is a match that hasnt happened i dont believe and a pretty cool feud so far,cena vs miz with rock involvement which should be cool and is a pretty fresh match for mania,cole vs lawler which should have michael cole getting his ass kicked which is always good by me,edge vs del rio with possible christian involvement which is very fresh and might lead to a christian title run i and alot of people have been waiting for for years,taker vs hhh who i think have good matches together,cody rhodes vs rey mysterio is really fresh and one of the best angles in years and god knows what else. You've got many stars without official matches from daniel bryan to sheamus to evan bourne to john morrison to the corre and some of those people havent even been to mania yet. And I dont get how theyre not pushing new talent or trying to make new stars. They may be failing but they seem to be trying. The miz is going to be in the main event title match,Alberto del rios going to be in the title match,the tag team champions are guys from nxt,despite him not being on raw this week evan bourne has been getting a push for a long time,dolph ziggler just won the title in an admittedly burying angle but he seems to be moving up to the main event,cody rhodes is involved in one of the hottest angles in the company,wade barrett is one of the top heels on smackdown and is coming off of a long run with THE top guy,their intercontinetal champion is kofi kingston,drew mcintyre has been slowly gaining momentum and main evented smackdown with vickie against kelly kelly and edge recently and christian while not a new talent,if he goes to the main event would be a fresh face. This is alot better than its been in the past in terms of pushing new talent I think.
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Post by don on Mar 10, 2011 11:44:05 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that everyone is using the "Austin excuse" simply because it's Daniel Bryan and Sheamus. I have a strong feeling that if it was a HHH vs. Undertaker segment that lost 1 million viewers, everyone would be saying things like, "This is proof that these two are no longer draws; it is time to make new stars, Austin or no Austin." I must've missed when Sheamus became an internet darling. And excuse or not it's the truth. Sheamus has pretty much been kicked down to the midcard and Bryan's been pretty much sitting on the U.S. belt and doing nothing ever since his feud with the Miz ended. 1.) Sheamus is very popular around these boards, in my estimation. 2.) Did 1 million people just suddenly say, "Well, Austin's segment is finished. No need for me to stick around and watch the rest of this?" It is much more likely to me that these people saw the match that was coming up next and decided that they had no interest in either guy. 3.) I am not placing ALL of the blame on Daniel Bryan and Sheamus. I just think that it is unfair to give them both a get out of jail free card for this. They have to take some of the blame for these numbers. The writers also need to have their share of the blame. I'm a hardcore fan, so I would probably watch a match regardless of who was in it. But, why would the casual fan want to watch a match between HHH's punching bag and a guy whose gimmick is that he is a nerd.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 10, 2011 11:47:01 GMT -5
3.) I am not placing ALL of the blame on Daniel Bryan and Sheamus. I just think that it is unfair to give them both a get out of jail free card for this. They have to take some of the blame for these numbers. The writers also need to have their share of the blame. I'm a hardcore fan, so I would probably watch a match regardless of who was in it. But, why would the casual fan want to watch a match between HHH's punching bag and a guy whose gimmick is that he is a nerd. But how is that their fault? I doubt they let Bryan pick his own character, and I also doubt it was Sheamus decision to go a losing streak after winning KotR. It's the booking that keeps telling the audience not to care.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Mar 10, 2011 11:51:33 GMT -5
I think RAW would have lost the million viewers even if HBK did a wrestling return against Undertaker in a Hell in a Cell match. I hope WWE doesn't do anything rash about the situation with Bryan and/or Sheamus, but Sheamus is already in the doghouse for no reason anyway. I think Sheamus is gonna be fired, seriously kids, and that was something I wish I didn't type.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 10, 2011 12:46:56 GMT -5
The Austin thing obviously had something to do with it but NEVER have I heard of 1 million people tuning out at the exact same time, no matter what. They didn't do it after Rock's promo last week or after any other big return. A large portion may leave but ONE MILLION? Get outta here.
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