WUMPUS
Team Rocket
Money is paper which TNA burns in a barrell in Jarrett's garage.....
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Post by WUMPUS on Apr 25, 2006 0:27:33 GMT -5
My take on this:
On the surface, it sounds really, really good. It WOULD get some good one-time pops. But I don't think it would have the steam to go very far in the long-term, especially w/ HBK and HHH in the latter halves of their respective careers.
I almost want to compare this to reforming the Horsemen with a few new members, but I've seen how well some former Horsemen have gone over on the board (Jarrett, Roma, Mongo.) Personally, I enjoyed the Flair/Anderson/Pillman/Benoit Horsemen, but I know opinions differ. Similarly, I might actually get a kick out of seeing something like an MNM/Punk/HHH/HBK DX, even if I'd always know it's not the exact same thing. However, something about it would still feel a little hollow
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Post by bruteshot79 on Apr 25, 2006 0:31:31 GMT -5
People can stop acting like Punk will be in it...it ain't gonna happen
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Post by mrobert21 on Apr 25, 2006 0:36:42 GMT -5
Obvious question/rant here, but ... What's wrong with coming up with a new stable? Back in 1996, someone sat down and said, "Hey, we'll have a brand new group, and we'll call it the nWo." And the fans went nuts. And then in 1997, someone said, "Hey! How about we put Shawn and HHH together with some other guys and call it D-Generation X?" And that caught fire, too, and made millions and millions of dollars. At the time, both groups were more or less original.Wrestling's next boom period depends on ideas that haven't been dreamed up yet, not on nostaglic reunions of groups from 8-10 years ago. Has there been a WWE super-stable other than Evolution in the last few years? The formula seems so painfully simple: Assemble a faction of mid-card guys who are decent in the ring and/or way over with the fans, give them a NEW name and common motives, and have them rise to the main-event level by being a formidable nemesis for some of the long-established stars. Give them at least one member who's a proven veteran. Have them win a lot to get them cemented in fans' minds as a serious deal. And whatever you do, don't disassemble them within three months just to set up an easy "breakup" feud. Somewhere within that concept lies the key to selling lots of tickets and T-shirts. But instead, WWE wants to dust the cobwebs off relics like DX and try that again. Sooner or later, there are going to be so few Attitude-era fans left that when they do reform the Horsemen or nWo or DX, no one will care because that period was so long ago. Remember the huge crowd reactions for Cornette's New Midnight Express back in '98? Me, neither. I love DX, but they were never original as a concept. They were a rip off of the NWO. They were based on the real life Michaels and Hunter in the back who were acting like asses to try to get fired and go to WCW. Evolution was a Horsemen rip off who were a decent heel stable, but were over pushed to the point of getting X - Pac heat. Like Cornette says, in wrestling you can redo a gimmick every 7 years and 1999 was the last time they did DX right. Fans want retro and nostalgia now and I do not mean just in wrestling. Look at movies and television and everything is 1980's stuff that is being brought back. Until decent new entertainment options arrive, give us what we are familiar with and like rather than force new crap down our throats (as McMahon did in the New Generation). I remember the night they teased the DX reunion 4 years ago and how nuts the fans were for it. The way they pissed it away is a reason I did not watch wrestling in 2003. At worst it flops, but so what at least they tried something different. I wish the smarks could lay off it until they at least reform. Hunter has been way better lately with the smart ass cracks. Michaels actually has something to do besides prayer meetings. This will be the last chance Waltman gets in a major company. Gunn, Road, Dogg, and Chyna are all disgusting jokes who have no place in professional wrestling (which is why they are perfect for TNA). Young guys will benefit from the Humter and Shawn rub. Hunter by himself got no talent punks Boreton and Botchtista over in mediocre Evolution. I am not even a big Hunter fan and I say that. Hunter and Michaels like Punk well enough and Straight Edge does not conflict with DX, so he would make a fine fit.
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Post by bruteshot79 on Apr 25, 2006 0:45:49 GMT -5
Obvious question/rant here, but ... What's wrong with coming up with a new stable? Back in 1996, someone sat down and said, "Hey, we'll have a brand new group, and we'll call it the nWo." And the fans went nuts. And then in 1997, someone said, "Hey! How about we put Shawn and HHH together with some other guys and call it D-Generation X?" And that caught fire, too, and made millions and millions of dollars. At the time, both groups were more or less original.Wrestling's next boom period depends on ideas that haven't been dreamed up yet, not on nostaglic reunions of groups from 8-10 years ago. Has there been a WWE super-stable other than Evolution in the last few years? The formula seems so painfully simple: Assemble a faction of mid-card guys who are decent in the ring and/or way over with the fans, give them a NEW name and common motives, and have them rise to the main-event level by being a formidable nemesis for some of the long-established stars. Give them at least one member who's a proven veteran. Have them win a lot to get them cemented in fans' minds as a serious deal. And whatever you do, don't disassemble them within three months just to set up an easy "breakup" feud. Somewhere within that concept lies the key to selling lots of tickets and T-shirts. But instead, WWE wants to dust the cobwebs off relics like DX and try that again. Sooner or later, there are going to be so few Attitude-era fans left that when they do reform the Horsemen or nWo or DX, no one will care because that period was so long ago. Remember the huge crowd reactions for Cornette's New Midnight Express back in '98? Me, neither. I love DX, but they were never original as a concept. They were a rip off of the NWO. They were based on the real life Michaels and Hunter in the back who were acting like asses to try to get fired and go to WCW. Evolution was a Horsemen rip off who were a decent heel stable, but were over pushed to the point of getting X - Pac heat. Like Cornette says, in wrestling you can redo a gimmick every 7 years and 1999 was the last time they did DX right. Fans want retro and nostalgia now and I do not mean just in wrestling. Look at movies and television and everything is 1980's stuff that is being brought back. Until decent new entertainment options arrive, give us what we are familiar with and like rather than force new crap down our throats (as McMahon did in the New Generation). I remember the night they teased the DX reunion 4 years ago and how nuts the fans were for it. The way they pissed it away is a reason I did not watch wrestling in 2003. At worst it flops, but so what at least they tried something different. I wish the smarks could lay off it until they at least reform. Hunter has been way better lately with the smart ass cracks. Michaels actually has something to do besides prayer meetings. This will be the last chance Waltman gets in a major company. Gunn, Road, Dogg, and Chyna are all disgusting jokes who have no place in professional wrestling (which is why they are perfect for TNA). Young guys will benefit from the Humter and Shawn rub. Hunter by himself got no talent punks Boreton and Botchtista over in mediocre Evolution. I am not even a big Hunter fan and I say that. Hunter and Michaels like Punk well enough and Straight Edge does not conflict with DX, so he would make a fine fit. Damn it...I don't know about HBK but HHH doesn't like Punk enough to have him in his light, mainly because of Punk's backstage attitude among other things. He's said this 100 times...
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Reverend BTY
Hank Scorpio
Christian Troy: God's Gift
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Post by Reverend BTY on Apr 25, 2006 1:04:45 GMT -5
I love DX, but they were never original as a concept. They were a rip off of the NWO. They were based on the real life Michaels and Hunter in the back who were acting like asses to try to get fired and go to WCW. Evolution was a Horsemen rip off who were a decent heel stable, but were over pushed to the point of getting X - Pac heat. Like Cornette says, in wrestling you can redo a gimmick every 7 years and 1999 was the last time they did DX right. Fans want retro and nostalgia now and I do not mean just in wrestling. Look at movies and television and everything is 1980's stuff that is being brought back. Until decent new entertainment options arrive, give us what we are familiar with and like rather than force new crap down our throats (as McMahon did in the New Generation). I remember the night they teased the DX reunion 4 years ago and how nuts the fans were for it. The way they pissed it away is a reason I did not watch wrestling in 2003. At worst it flops, but so what at least they tried something different. I wish the smarks could lay off it until they at least reform. Hunter has been way better lately with the smart ass cracks. Michaels actually has something to do besides prayer meetings. This will be the last chance Waltman gets in a major company. Gunn, Road, Dogg, and Chyna are all disgusting jokes who have no place in professional wrestling (which is why they are perfect for TNA). Young guys will benefit from the Humter and Shawn rub. Hunter by himself got no talent punks Boreton and Botchtista over in mediocre Evolution. I am not even a big Hunter fan and I say that. Hunter and Michaels like Punk well enough and Straight Edge does not conflict with DX, so he would make a fine fit. Damn it...I don't know about HBK but HHH doesn't like Punk enough to have him in his light, mainly because of Punk's backstage attitude among other things. He's said this 100 times... Who's said this 100s of times???
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Post by Van Loki - Suck it, ECW on Apr 25, 2006 1:06:55 GMT -5
If it's not going to be HBK and Triple H, I don't f***ing want it at all.
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Post by ajmortimer on Apr 25, 2006 1:06:57 GMT -5
DX was lame in 1997, and there's a pretty good chance it'd be even worse now. Stop posting forever.
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Post by Loki on Apr 25, 2006 5:21:33 GMT -5
Until decent new entertainment options arrive, give us what we are familiar with and like rather than force new crap down our throats (as McMahon did in the New Generation). [...] At worst it flops, but so what at least they tried something different. I wish the smarks could lay off it until they at least reform. I'd hardly call a DX reunion "something different"... Anyway, it's really difficult finding new entertainment options if WWE and the fans still rely on familiar and safe formulas. IMO the so called New Generation struggled because then-WWF held onto the Rock-n-Wrestling/Hulkamania concept, and tried to replicate the formula ad libitum. Times were changing, and the colorful, cartoonish gimmick had run thier course, yet, with few notable exceptions, the roster was still carnivalesque. And the fans didn't buy that anymore. Now we're in the same situation: the Attitude Era is long gone, but WWE still think that's the only way to gather fans/audience/money. Time to move on!!!
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Libertine
Unicron
Cerebral Caustic
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Post by Libertine on Apr 25, 2006 7:18:43 GMT -5
If CM Punk can't get onto WWE TV at all, what makes people here think he'll suddenly be elevated into a stable containing two of wrestling's biggest names?
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Post by The Jeebus on Apr 25, 2006 7:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by The Jeebus on Apr 25, 2006 7:31:26 GMT -5
Oh you'd know!
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Post by Paul Servo on Apr 25, 2006 7:40:16 GMT -5
It's not a given X-Pac will be clean. This is a bit of a gamble if you ask me. You pretty much need HBK. I hope maybe he can do it, even if he has to scale back on the edgy stuff and let Trips and Waltman do most of it. Edge would be a good candidate for it, and it seems like Mizanin would fit in. I don't understand why HBK won't simply go with it and just realize he's essentially an actor and that's what actors do (pretend to be some one they're not). I don't think it would jeopardize his reputation at all. Speaking from experience, I can say that this is a concern that all new born-again Christians would have in his situation. He just needs to mature a little bit more in his faith and realize that it would be okay to do the DX thing in kayfabe because he'll still be the same, God-fearing man he is in real life. So uhh, to sum all this up, I'd like to see a DX reunion if un-Creative doesn't screw it up as usual. Given the angle that Shawn's in right now, I don't think that playing the "born again Christian" card will work with the new DX.
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Post by bruteshot79 on Apr 25, 2006 10:27:02 GMT -5
Damn it...I don't know about HBK but HHH doesn't like Punk enough to have him in his light, mainly because of Punk's backstage attitude among other things. He's said this 100 times... Who's said this 100s of times??? Triple H. I may have exaggerated a little but he has said it before(unless PWinsider was lying). The main reasons i've heard for him not liking Punk is his backstage attitude(Punk asks if he can change in the same locker room as the "stars"), his japanese-style move set(I don't see what the big deal is about this...but whatever), Pepsi Plunge(this one was just a rumor but apparently Trips thinks Punk ripped his finisher). I can search through PWI and try to find the stories if you want me too...but they are weeks-months old and it would take forever...
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Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 25, 2006 11:02:54 GMT -5
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