Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 3, 2011 22:53:28 GMT -5
- The rookies who actually got over in NXT like Kaval and Derrick Bateman being either buried or not seen on TV period in favor of who they think we'll like... Or still not seen on TV period, like Johnny Curtis - If you've read the Smackdown spoilers you know what this one is. I agree with everything you said except for these two points. The whole point of that is that they're not following through with the youth movement that we all thought was coming, but with the first one you're just saying they're not pushing the guys we want. It's not Kaval or Bateman (Who I love), but Brodus Clay and Alex Riley. They're still building those kids by having them in big time stories, but because they're not IWC darlings the WWE is messing up. At least they're working on SOMEBODY. And for the second point, the Smackdown thing makes me want to cry, but Christian as World Champion isn't exactly showing they're going in a more youthful direction. If anything having him win the title was going in the opposite direction. Christian as champion is an opportunity to make him a bigger star, but he's the oldest main event talent on Smackdown. I understand the idea of a making a bigger star, but Christian as champion isn't a long-term solution you're looking for. He's still the best option of who they have on Smackdown to be honest. {Spoiler}Especially considering they have him drop it two days later to one of two men who do not need the title atm
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 3, 2011 23:43:23 GMT -5
They've reinforced that glass ceiling pretty good.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on May 3, 2011 23:56:51 GMT -5
So what's the bet that they installed some turrets right underneath the glass ceiling which is just shooting anyone that gets remotely close?
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 4, 2011 0:04:19 GMT -5
The Miz has kicked out of the Attitude Adjustment. Twice. He ain't hurting at all. I actually said this last night. During that match, a moment of clarity in an otherwise anger sharks-worthy show, it occurred to me that the Miz is the only person I know, as of recently, who has consistently kicked out of the AA. Mind you, Big Show, Khali, Triple H, Orton, Wade Barrett, and Umaga all took the maneuver. But it's Miz that kicked out. Just because he didn't get a year long reign, doesn't mean he's TEH BERRYDZ! In fact, I'll go as far as to say that, after Del Rio, Miz is the strongest booked heel in WWE.
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Post by Citizen Zero on May 4, 2011 0:06:38 GMT -5
The Miz has kicked out of the Attitude Adjustment. Twice. He ain't hurting at all. I actually said this last night. During that match, a moment of clarity in an otherwise anger sharks-worthy show, it occurred to me that the Miz is the only person I know, as of recently, who has consistently kicked out of the AA. Mind you, Big Show, Khali, Triple H, Orton, Wade Barrett, and Umaga all took the maneuver. But it's Miz that kicked out. Just because he didn't get a year long reign, doesn't mean he's TEH BERRYDZ! In fact, I'll go as far as to say that, after Del Rio, Miz is the strongest booked heel in WWE. Didn't Barrett kick out of it too?
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on May 4, 2011 0:06:40 GMT -5
I think alluding to the spoilers may actually spoil things for people by the time the show comes on.
Just sayin.
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Post by dhq on May 4, 2011 0:12:51 GMT -5
{Spoiler}So much for that exciting new era I was talking about. Unless Christian turns heel and wins it back this flat out sucks.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 0:20:46 GMT -5
I think they actually replaced the glass ceiling with concrete.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 4, 2011 0:21:57 GMT -5
I think they actually replaced the glass ceiling with concrete. LOL, so true. You can't even see the brass ring through the ceiling anymore. You flat-out know you aren't getting there.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 4, 2011 0:29:01 GMT -5
I actually said this last night. During that match, a moment of clarity in an otherwise anger sharks-worthy show, it occurred to me that the Miz is the only person I know, as of recently, who has consistently kicked out of the AA. Mind you, Big Show, Khali, Triple H, Orton, Wade Barrett, and Umaga all took the maneuver. But it's Miz that kicked out. Just because he didn't get a year long reign, doesn't mean he's TEH BERRYDZ! In fact, I'll go as far as to say that, after Del Rio, Miz is the strongest booked heel in WWE. Didn't Barrett kick out of it too? And so did Sheamus, in the cage match at MitB. Kicking out of Cena's AA is the new thing for heels getting (temporarily) elevated into the main event.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on May 4, 2011 0:29:22 GMT -5
- The rookies who actually got over in NXT like Kaval and Derrick Bateman being either buried or not seen on TV period in favor of who they think we'll like... Or still not seen on TV period, like Johnny Curtis See; you had me until right here. You had legit issues, but this one just sounds like whining. As the poster above me said, they are implanting some rookies (Clay, Riley) into storylines, but since they're not " our" favorites, the WWE's f***ing up. That's not fair. You can't get mad when they're not putting these guys in the spotlight, then complain when they do it, but not for the IWC darlings. Well, to be fair, Kaval wasn't just an IWC darling. The fans CHOSE him as the winner of NXT. And yeah, I know half of it was the Pro voting and I'm not sure how legit that even is, but there's still something to be said about the fact that Kaval was jobbed out, Johnny Curtis has yet to be seen on TV (while the runner-up has been all over TV), and Kaitlyn made her first appearance in ages in the background of a backstage skit. Three NXT winners, as chosen by the public: three winners that mean jack to WWE. And, in two cases already, the people they beat to win NXT have gotten substantially greater amounts of TV time than they have (even if it is as the also-rans of main event heels - and yes, if Johnny Curtis were brought up into Brodus Clay's role and treated the way Clay has been, we'd bitch that they were burying him too - but the point still stands that Curtis WON his season of NXT and he hasn't gotten so much as a mention on either Raw, Smackdown, or Superstars).
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 4, 2011 0:44:19 GMT -5
I think alluding to the spoilers may actually spoil things for people by the time the show comes on. Just sayin. Alluding that "something" may have happened is not spoilers, especially since it's not explicitly referencing the event in question. All anyone would know is "something happened".
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Post by Ryushinku on May 4, 2011 3:58:43 GMT -5
- The rookies who actually got over in NXT like Kaval and Derrick Bateman being either buried or not seen on TV period in favor of who they think we'll like... Or still not seen on TV period, like Johnny Curtis See; you had me until right here. You had legit issues, but this one just sounds like whining. As the poster above me said, they are implanting some rookies (Clay, Riley) into storylines, but since they're not " our" favorites, the WWE's f***ing up. That's not fair. You can't get mad when they're not putting these guys in the spotlight, then complain when they do it, but not for the IWC darlings. Like when Sheamus won the title. "Push someone new!" (Sheamus wins title) "Not HIM!"
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Post by Rorschach on May 4, 2011 5:44:47 GMT -5
When WWE bought WCW they absorbed all it's powers including celebrity worship, belts as props, failure of every big angle (Invasion, nWo, etc.) and the magical glass ceiling. Sell it back, Vince! There's some bad mojo in there! When Vince bought WCW, apparently he inherited the cursed Kayako Saeki house that came along with it. Some companies DO hold GRUDGES you know. ;D
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on May 4, 2011 6:00:08 GMT -5
See; you had me until right here. You had legit issues, but this one just sounds like whining. As the poster above me said, they are implanting some rookies (Clay, Riley) into storylines, but since they're not " our" favorites, the WWE's f***ing up. That's not fair. You can't get mad when they're not putting these guys in the spotlight, then complain when they do it, but not for the IWC darlings. Like when Sheamus won the title. "Push someone new!" (Sheamus wins title) "Not HIM!" Define internet darling. The crowd pops for Kofi Kingston, they've done nothing with him. Barrett got massive heel heat, he's essentially in limbo. There's a lot of new faces that have been supported who aren't internet darlings. Yes, I'm counting Wade Barrett: he did come from English independents, along with Sheamus, and interestingly, Doug Williams. However, he, as well as Gabriel (known in South Africa as PJ Black) weren't known too much outside the WWE or FCW, and they still got a groundswell of support, from both the internet and people who buy tickets (which I should remind you, includes a majority of the IWC). So again, define internet darling.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on May 4, 2011 6:13:26 GMT -5
See; you had me until right here. You had legit issues, but this one just sounds like whining. As the poster above me said, they are implanting some rookies (Clay, Riley) into storylines, but since they're not " our" favorites, the WWE's f***ing up. That's not fair. You can't get mad when they're not putting these guys in the spotlight, then complain when they do it, but not for the IWC darlings. Like when Sheamus won the title. "Push someone new!" (Sheamus wins title) "Not HIM!" Again with the blanket statements. Sheamus winning the title was generally well received. Those who complained didn't like it because they didn't like Sheamus, mostly because he was considered too green. Some people hated The Miz winning the title because it was The Miz, not because he was new. Even then most of the haters conceeded that it was great that WWE were pushing a new guy. There is no way to win here. If everyone behind the guy they'd be accused of jumping on the bandwagon.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on May 4, 2011 6:28:41 GMT -5
How a guy with 38 years old is ''the youth movement''?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 4, 2011 6:45:10 GMT -5
How a guy with 38 years old is ''the youth movement''? This. Christian got the title because Edge retired. Hate me all you want, but Del Rio was winning it, and Christian was turning heel. Edge retired, so they made a deicision to give Christian his moment that he otherwise wouldnt have had
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Post by Paco on May 4, 2011 7:02:21 GMT -5
I don't think the IWC is clamoring for "youth". They want "new".
R-Truth is like 40 but him as a top heel on RAW is new and fresh to me. So is World Champion Christian...or Mark Henry...or whatever veteran may get a shot at the top.
Cena & Orton...ZZZZZ
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Post by Ryushinku on May 4, 2011 7:05:54 GMT -5
Again with the blanket statements. "AGAIN wid da finger!" Hasn't WrestleCrap been all about the blanket statements these past couple days? Seriously though, there was a lot of resistance to Sheamus, not even the green thing so much as he was seen as getting the push merely due to being Triple H's travel buddy. As a random example I chucked out there, I think it's valid. The big Fella is a lot better regarded these days, and actually was getting props due to the Goldust feud before it, but for the month or so after he won the belt he wasn't exactly getting showered with love.
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