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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on May 4, 2011 7:56:26 GMT -5
I agree with the OP,
The thing what creative don't seem to realise is that the current crop of guys they keep putting over are on their last legs and yet they don't have replacements.
Big Show: He's getting on, can't see him sticking around for much longer. Kane: ^^^ Again Undertaker: He's semi-retired already Triple H: ^^^ same as Undertaker Rey Mysterio: Picks up injuries every few months, can't see him sticking around for long. CM Punk: If rumours are true he's not renewing his contract.
They are six of the top ten guys in the company at the moment but they are six guys who could drop out of the WWE by the end of the year and who have the WWE built up to replace them?
Miz is the only guy anywhere close to reaching their level of overness and he's a heel. ADR could get there but he's still not ready yet imo and he's got Raw booking to fight against too now.
The WWE could be in trouble if those guys pull out in a short space of time. They've already lost Edge out of the blue so it could easily happen. Then, the WWE would be screwed since no babyfaces are as over as the old guard and very few heels are (Miz, ADR and Barrett could easily be imo if they gave him a push again)
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on May 4, 2011 8:10:16 GMT -5
I don't think the IWC is clamoring for "youth". They want "new". R-Truth is like 40 but him as a top heel on RAW is new and fresh to me. So is World Champion Christian...or Mark Henry...or whatever veteran may get a shot at the top. Cena & Orton...ZZZZZ There's far to much focus on chronological age. The real problem is wrestlers "TV age". I mean Cena and Orton are both barely thirty. Yet they've been on top for the better part of six years. How many PPV main events is that? How many Raw main events? They've already done everything there is to do and there's a good decade of their careers left. Instead pushing young guys it should be about pushing new faces, regardless of age, to the main event.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 4, 2011 8:35:42 GMT -5
You're forgetting Zack Ryder. A man who has gone to all lengths to get the fans behind him, and has, but is still stuck on the bottom of the totem pole. Like that matters. Matt Hardy got bigger pops than half of the the main eventers and he was given smurf all to do. I am not saying that he should have been in Cena's spot because he should not have, but unless Vince has a hard-on for you it does not matter how over you are. Hell, he would book things for himself that works only to get the rug yanked out from underneath him every time he upset the status quo. - The V1 character came out when the Smackdown writers had nothing for him and he asked if he could just come up with something himself. They let him do it in order to get him to shut up and leave them alone. The sad thing is that Matt did well with the character except during the brief times that Vince really paid attention to him, at which point he was slated to be used purely to build up someone that Vince cared about. - McIntire and Matt started that concussion angle on their own during one of their matches and followed it up the next week (hell, if Matt was going to lose two weeks in a row anyways you might as well tell a good story as to why). It started working so the WWE briefly ran with it, but only because they wanted it to get Drew over. It sort of worked, but it was getting Matt over far more so they killed it, which not only screwed over Matt but screwed over Drew as well. - Matt and Christian were booked into the Smackdown MITB match last year. They lobbied to used the promos designed to get the match over to not only get the match over but start a feud between the two. They were allowed to run with it for a couple of weeks and then had it completely abandoned. I don't even know what was given the slot that their feud was to take because I seriously did not care. It was same old, same old and boring as could be. The point is that Ryder is rather entertaining and decent in the ring, but Vince will never see him as anything other than enhancement talent. The fact that he gets himself over to a degree in the same vein that Matt did just means that Vince thinks that he can just use Ryder to get an even bigger person over at Ryder's expense. I know some people expect Ryder to be released, but they rarely let people like him go until they completely lose their heat and therefore cannot be used to get anyone over anymore.
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Post by Junkenstein on May 4, 2011 8:48:23 GMT -5
And for the second point, the Smackdown thing makes me want to cry, but Christian as World Champion isn't exactly showing they're going in a more youthful direction. If anything having him win the title was going in the opposite direction. Christian as champion is an opportunity to make him a bigger star, but he's the oldest main event talent on Smackdown. I understand the idea of a making a bigger star, but Christian as champion isn't a long-term solution you're looking for. But Christian has that rare ability to make anyone he goes in the ring with look good. I can honestly say I became a Del Rio fan after his great series of matches with Christian. His title run could have been used to elevate a bunch of up-and-coming heels, whether they beat him or not. Then whoever did eventually get the belt off the beloved veteran would have gained a shitload of heat and become a legit main event player. {Spoiler}But instead they give it to Orton. Which achieves nothing, absolutely nothing. And makes Christian's big moment on Sunday look like shit.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 4, 2011 8:52:39 GMT -5
You're forgetting Zack Ryder. A man who has gone to all lengths to get the fans behind him, and has, but is still stuck on the bottom of the totem pole. Like that matters. Matt Hardy got bigger pops than half of the the main eventers and he was given smurf all to do. I am not saying that he should have been in Cena's spot because he should not have, but unless Vince has a hard-on for you it does not matter how over you are. Hell, he would book things for himself that works only to get the rug yanked out from underneath him every time he upset the status quo. - The V1 character came out when the Smackdown writers had nothing for him and he asked if he could just come up with something himself. They let him do it in order to get him to shut up and leave them alone. The sad thing is that Matt did well with the character except during the brief times that Vince really paid attention to him, at which point he was slated to be used purely to build up someone that Vince cared about. - McIntire and Matt started that concussion angle on their own during one of their matches and followed it up the next week (hell, if Matt was going to lose two weeks in a row anyways you might as well tell a good story as to why). It started working so the WWE briefly ran with it, but only because they wanted it to get Drew over. It sort of worked, but it was getting Matt over far more so they killed it, which not only screwed over Matt but screwed over Drew as well. - Matt and Christian were booked into the Smackdown MITB match last year. They lobbied to used the promos designed to get the match over to not only get the match over but start a feud between the two. They were allowed to run with it for a couple of weeks and then had it completely abandoned. I don't even know what was given the slot that their feud was to take because I seriously did not care. It was same old, same old and boring as could be. The point is that Ryder is rather entertaining and decent in the ring, but Vince will never see him as anything other than enhancement talent. The fact that he gets himself over to a degree in the same vein that Matt did just means that Vince thinks that he can just use Ryder to get an even bigger person over at Ryder's expense. I know some people expect Ryder to be released, but they rarely let people like him go until they completely lose their heat and therefore cannot be used to get anyone over anymore. The crazy thing about the whole V1 thing is that even when he was just being used to get others over, They gave him two straight wins over The Undertaker. Sadly, I don't see them ever doing anything like that for Zack.
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Post by zeez on May 4, 2011 10:30:16 GMT -5
That poor horse...
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Post by Bo Rida on May 4, 2011 10:50:19 GMT -5
The annoying thing is you sometimes hear people like HHH saying something like “you can’t wait to be the next big star you have to do it yourself and cease the brass ring”. However there are plenty of examples on this thread of people who have tried or even managed to do just that but got cut off at the knees.
To me Barrett is the obvious one, they seemed determined to take Nexus away from him despite him being the most hated person on the roster. Although it’s possible Barrett didn’t manage to cease the brass ring as the phrase made no sense to him.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 4, 2011 11:07:01 GMT -5
The annoying thing is you sometimes hear people like HHH saying something like “you can’t wait to be the next big star you have to do it yourself and cease the brass ring”. However there are plenty of examples on this thread of people who have tried or even managed to do just that but got cut off at the knees. To me Barrett is the obvious one, they seemed determined to take Nexus away from him despite him being the most hated person on the roster. Although it’s possible Barrett didn’t manage to cease the brass ring as the phrase made no sense to him. Somewhere along the way, Barrett pissed off Kevin Dunn. You don't piss off Kevin Dunn (Unfortunately, he's easy to piss off).
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 4, 2011 13:10:59 GMT -5
Kaval would be just fine by now if he hadn't quit.
He'd be getting the yo-yo push like so many others, but he's a perfect feud for Sin Cara, he easily could have been involved with the Laycool breakup and now face Layla, and even would be a useful feud with Barrett for the title, NXT winner vs. NXT winner.
Really, he jumped the gun by quitting, and it's a shame.
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Post by r. on May 4, 2011 13:34:25 GMT -5
Kaval would be just fine by now if he hadn't quit. He'd be getting the yo-yo push like so many others, but he's a perfect feud for Sin Cara, he easily could have been involved with the Laycool breakup and now face Layla, and even would be a useful feud with Barrett for the title, NXT winner vs. NXT winner. Really, he jumped the gun by quitting, and it's a shame. Did he? If I was hired to the biggest westlingEntertainment company in the world and then they promptly did absolutly nothing with me, Then would it not make sense for me to go elsewhere and get used properly? (Granted who's to say if he hadn't stuck it out he would have been given a random shot that would eventually have lead to nowhere)I think it was kaval seeing the writing on the wall.
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