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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jun 15, 2011 19:20:03 GMT -5
lol at threads that devolve into pissing matches over trolling and "misinterpretation"
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jun 15, 2011 22:28:48 GMT -5
You know I never liked the Miz that much but the kind of irrational hatred that gets thrown his way makes me feel kinda sorry for him. Hating on the guy becuase you perceive that he's untalented and doesn't deserve his spot, I can understand that. Hating on him for things that aren't his call seems excessive.
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Post by Fern on Jun 15, 2011 22:33:16 GMT -5
I've been a fan since he debuted. I'll quote him.
"You would say I have no talent. 'Why are you here?' 'You should go back to MTV'. Well, you were wrong! YOU WERE ALL WRONG!"
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Post by Starshine on Jun 15, 2011 23:21:18 GMT -5
I've been a fan since he debuted. I'll quote him. "You would say I have no talent. 'Why are you here?' 'You should go back to MTV'. Well, you were wrong! YOU WERE ALL WRONG!" See now, my probablem is that just saying it doesn't really prove anything. His main event with Cena sucked. I can't think of any great matches he's actually had that didn't involve another guy who usually wrestles at that level in any case. Okay sure, his promos are better than your average wrestler. They're not the best, but you can't really complain. But then what else does he do? When does he back up his words? He can tell how wrong I was until the cows come home. But until he shows something more tangible than this faux intensity and saying really a lot, I can't buy into his hype.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 16, 2011 0:18:02 GMT -5
I think he looked out of place too. It's not that he's playing a cowardly heel either because I don't think he is. They don't have him running away from people. He's a sneak attack artist sure, but he has no problem getting in Cena, The Rock or Austin's face. They have him dressing like a big deal and doing a lot of media appearances when he was champ so they think he's a big deal but he did not fit in. It looked like he was legit going to pee himself when Stone Cold grabbed him by the tie, even though he was trying to maintain his composure. CM Punk - Indie star with years of experience Del Rio - Mexican star with years of experience and real MMA experience These guys belong in the same ring with Austin. They're better workers and talkers and either one should be the top heel. Miz- MTV star with a cushy WWE safe style run where others have had to help him (Morrison and Riley). I don't know what they see in him. I don't even think he's a good talker. He's doing the slow, deliberate HHH style of intense heel promos that are almost impossible to screw up and he's only an average worker.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jun 16, 2011 0:29:15 GMT -5
While I initially liked Del Rio on the mic, he's starting to get dull to me as of late.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 16, 2011 0:30:10 GMT -5
I think he looked out of place too. It's not that he's playing a cowardly heel either because I don't think he is. They don't have him running away from people. He's a sneak attack artist sure, but he has no problem getting in Cena, The Rock or Austin's face. They have him dressing like a big deal and doing a lot of media appearances when he was champ so they think he's a big deal but he did not fit in. It looked like he was legit going to pee himself when Stone Cold grabbed him by the tie, even though he was trying to maintain his composure. CM Punk - Indie star with years of experience Del Rio - Mexican star with years of experience and real MMA experience These guys belong in the same ring with Austin. They're better workers and talkers and either one should be the top heel. Miz- MTV star with a cushy WWE safe style run where others have had to help him (Morrison and Riley). I don't know what they see in him. I don't even think he's a good talker. He's doing the slow, deliberate HHH style of intense heel promos that are almost impossible to screw up and he's only an average worker. Miz's value entertainment wise is of course a case of your mileage may vary, but in regards to what the WWE sees in him? Its not hard to figure out. By all reports he works hard and pretty much volunteers to do media appearances all the time. WWE's had some trouble the past few years trusting guys in top spots without them bailing, getting injured, having wellness issues, or having just plain having big egos. But take note of the following with Miz: -Other than remarkably minor infractions (spilling chicken on a bag) he has no history of attitude problems -No expression of interest in any other career (music, MMA, sports, movies) -Not a single suspension for wellness violation -A career largely defined by his relationship with WWE and its developmental system -Little to no problems with injuries (WM concussion aside) -No embarrassing media slip-ups. Miz isn't just safe in his style. He's safe in everything. He is, for lack of a better description, a younger, healthier, heel John Cena. They are both company guys who have are the face of the WWE to the media. He may not be the guy who pops buyrates, but he is someone they can count on long term. That's his real value.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 16, 2011 0:37:11 GMT -5
I think he looked out of place too. It's not that he's playing a cowardly heel either because I don't think he is. They don't have him running away from people. He's a sneak attack artist sure, but he has no problem getting in Cena, The Rock or Austin's face. They have him dressing like a big deal and doing a lot of media appearances when he was champ so they think he's a big deal but he did not fit in. It looked like he was legit going to pee himself when Stone Cold grabbed him by the tie, even though he was trying to maintain his composure. CM Punk - Indie star with years of experience Del Rio - Mexican star with years of experience and real MMA experience These guys belong in the same ring with Austin. They're better workers and talkers and either one should be the top heel. Miz- MTV star with a cushy WWE safe style run where others have had to help him (Morrison and Riley). I don't know what they see in him. I don't even think he's a good talker. He's doing the slow, deliberate HHH style of intense heel promos that are almost impossible to screw up and he's only an average worker. Miz's value entertainment wise is of course a case of your mileage may vary, but in regards to what the WWE sees in him? Its not hard to figure out. By all reports he works hard and pretty much volunteers to do media appearances all the time. WWE's had some trouble the past few years trusting guys in top spots without them bailing, getting injured, having wellness issues, or having just plain having big egos. But take note of the following with Miz: -Other than remarkably minor infractions (spilling chicken on a bag) he has no history of attitude problems -No expression of interest in any other career (music, MMA, sports, movies) -Not a single suspension for wellness violation -A career largely defined by his relationship with WWE and its developmental system -Little to no problems with injuries (WM concussion aside) -No embarrassing media slip-ups. Miz isn't just safe in his style. He's safe in everything. He is, for lack of a better description, a younger, healthier, heel John Cena. They are both company guys who have are the face of the WWE to the media. He may not be the guy who pops buyrates, but he is someone they can count on long term. That's his real value. Who cares if a guy of mediocore talents is a safe prospect? That's why he's safe. A reliable guy who's average across the board is a good guy to have in the midcard, not the main event.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 16, 2011 0:56:10 GMT -5
Miz's value entertainment wise is of course a case of your mileage may vary, but in regards to what the WWE sees in him? Its not hard to figure out. By all reports he works hard and pretty much volunteers to do media appearances all the time. WWE's had some trouble the past few years trusting guys in top spots without them bailing, getting injured, having wellness issues, or having just plain having big egos. But take note of the following with Miz: -Other than remarkably minor infractions (spilling chicken on a bag) he has no history of attitude problems -No expression of interest in any other career (music, MMA, sports, movies) -Not a single suspension for wellness violation -A career largely defined by his relationship with WWE and its developmental system -Little to no problems with injuries (WM concussion aside) -No embarrassing media slip-ups. Miz isn't just safe in his style. He's safe in everything. He is, for lack of a better description, a younger, healthier, heel John Cena. They are both company guys who have are the face of the WWE to the media. He may not be the guy who pops buyrates, but he is someone they can count on long term. That's his real value. Who cares if a guy of mediocore talents is a safe prospect? That's why he's safe. Mediocre in some people's eyes or not, reliability can be a valuable asset in troubled or even just ordinary times, the safety I described was referring to backstage, not in ring. WWE has had to deal with a lot of difficult scenarios in the past five years. Angle had drug issues, Kennedy was mess in more ways than one, Hardy's problems are numerous, Taker's almost done, Mysterio's body is falling apart, Jericho has taken frequent breaks from the business, HHH is all but gone from the ring, Batista has left, Edge and HBK are retired, Christian/Show/Kane are all older, and the injuries on Orton and Cena continue to mount. Miz is, if nothing else an island of stability in a sea of chaos. And the thing is, he can improve. He has show the capacity to get better and has the time and the health to allow it. It may be an overtly simplistic analysis, but I think it does fit: The company has dealt with some people were great, but were not there the next day. Miz is just good now, but he will be here tomorrow and day after that, and there's nothing stopping him from becoming great in the future.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 16, 2011 0:58:01 GMT -5
Who cares if a guy of mediocore talents is a safe prospect? That's why he's safe. A reliable guy who's average across the board is a good guy to have in the midcard, not the main event. Despite the obvious comparisons to Cena, I think his career will run along similar lines to Triple H - a few years as one of the top names, followed by a few more years being a steady go-to guy. Even as a huge fan of Miz since his Real World days, I don't see him ever being The Top Guy in the company. He probably will be in the upper midcard for the majority of his career - the solid, reliable guy who can plug into a main event feud when necessary. I'm still not buying the "mediocre talent" thing though.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 16, 2011 1:46:00 GMT -5
Who cares if a guy of mediocore talents is a safe prospect? That's why he's safe. A reliable guy who's average across the board is a good guy to have in the midcard, not the main event. Despite the obvious comparisons to Cena, I think his career will run along similar lines to Triple H - a few years as one of the top names, followed by a few more years being a steady go-to guy. Even as a huge fan of Miz since his Real World days, I don't see him ever being The Top Guy in the company. He probably will be in the upper midcard for the majority of his career - the solid, reliable guy who can plug into a main event feud when necessary. I'm still not buying the "mediocre talent" thing though. What does he do that any other guy on the roster can't do as well? I have no idea why they're promoting Miz as "must see". If I heard that, never watched WWE and decided to give it a chance, what is it that I would find impressive or entertaining about him? Generic cocky heel promo 101? Boring catchphrases anyone could of thought of? Average ring work? An unimposing physique? You're HHH comparison is strange as he wasn't on top for a few years. He was most overpushed guy in the world. He was always in the top three from like 98 to his retirement.
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