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Post by jobber2thestars on Jul 22, 2011 19:29:38 GMT -5
Steroid use is surrounded by so many myths it's not event funny. People don't realize that it was Ben Johnson's use of steroids in the Olympics that caused the the anti-steroid stuff, and not proof that they are dangerous. In fact, there have been no long term studies on what years of steroid use can do. With that said, there are still many bodybuilders left over from the "Golden Age" of the sport, a time when steroids were practically a necessity in the sport, who are healthy and well. Like anything else, if taken correctly and under supervision, steroid use is no more dangerous than any other doctor prescribed drugs. The problems start when teenagers, and even adults, abuse them to the point they are deadly. There are side-effects, but, unlike what people say, they are temporary and go away when you're off your cycle.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jul 22, 2011 19:32:08 GMT -5
I know I have nothing backing my comments up, but I'm on my iPhone and can't go searching the web for the sources. I suggest watching the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger, as it shows both sides of the steroid argument, and looks at the use of steroids in pro wrestling.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 22, 2011 19:32:08 GMT -5
Considering the history of wrestling and steroids, why would any wrestler get the benefit of the doubt in this instance.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 22, 2011 19:32:37 GMT -5
Somebody on one of these boards once tried to claim that anyone who had a larger physique than CM Punk (just the example he used) was likely on steroids. Because people can't believe that anyone can get big without drugs. I went to Navy boot camp weighing 140 pounds. I left weighing 160 pounds. When I got out 8 years, I was a solid and muscular 210. No juice or HGH was used. Just lifting heavy weights and lots of protein shakes.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 22, 2011 19:44:08 GMT -5
The ones I hate are the type that think steroids are some sort of magic wonder drug that make people better at everything, and they barely need to work out to put on muscle mass. Like if I shot up, and sat around, I'd end up as big as Mark McGuire and will start crushing baseballs 500 ft suddenly. I remember when the Ando thing came up with him, and one writer basically said all the Andos do for him is make 450ft HRs turn into 500ft ones. It still takes a LOT of work to get that big, and no amount of roids will make you hit a ball better. It can make you stronger, give you better bat speed, all that... but if you can't put the bat on the ball, it doesn't matter.
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Post by molson5 on Jul 22, 2011 19:44:27 GMT -5
Considering the history of wrestling and steroids, why would any wrestler get the benefit of the doubt in this instance. That's fair, you can assume they're all on something, and you'd probably be right a good amount of the time. All I (and others) are saying), if you think everyone bigger than CM Punk is using, and everyone smaller than him isn't - you're wrong.
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 22, 2011 19:50:55 GMT -5
d no amount of roids will make you hit a ball better. It can make you stronger, give you better bat speed, all that... but if you can't put the bat on the ball, it doesn't matter. thread.\
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Post by lewis1711 on Jul 22, 2011 20:08:24 GMT -5
Somebody on one of these boards once tried to claim that anyone who had a larger physique than CM Punk (just the example he used) was likely on steroids. Because people can't believe that anyone can get big without drugs. I went to Navy boot camp weighing 140 pounds. I left weighing 160 pounds. When I got out 8 years, I was a solid and muscular 210. No juice or HGH was used. Just lifting heavy weights and lots of protein shakes. And do you refuse to believe that another man starting at 140 with different genetics that did the same thing you did would only get to 180? Or that some freak of nature might get to 240?
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 22, 2011 20:10:47 GMT -5
i'll give everyone a good example of using steroids the right way and using them the wrong way wrong way........ hogan spent more time out of the gym at this period and let the steroids do the work and.......well......its obvious what happened. right way....... luger actually worked out while on them and didnt let the drug use him.
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Post by BigWill on Jul 22, 2011 20:12:27 GMT -5
Hardwork can only take you so far - I'd say the rest of it is genetics (and/or drugs lol). Or do you seriously think Ezekiel Jackson works out twice as hard in the gym as Sheamus (who is already very muscular)? There are different ways to work out. I don't know Zeke's entire life story, but I'm betting being a professional wrestler wasn't his life's dream, and he was planning on being a body builder or a strong man competitor. He's trained to be a big muscular guy with no calisthenics or endurance work. Sheamus however probably doesn't focus exclusively on being as powerful and muscular as possible, focusing more on in-ring conditioning. Two guys can spend all day in the gym every day, but if they do different things they're not going to look the same. If Zeke's dream was to become a bodybuilder or a strongman cometitor, then it's pretty much guaranteed that he's on or was on something. There isn't a single pro bodybuilder or serious strongman who isn't on juice.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 22, 2011 20:29:09 GMT -5
I feel I should mention that steroids and HGH (human growth hormone) are two different things: Steroids don't cause muscle growth. Yes, they allow someone to go beyond their physical threshold (which is why it's so often used, particularly in a sport like baseball or football where speed and withstanding punishment rank higher than size), and in many cases, that allows someone to work out harder and build more muscle than they could if they weren't on the juice. But gas doesn't beef you- that's what HGH is for. HGH is, as it says on the tin, purely for growth, to allow the user to gain mass easier and faster.
With that said, you can gain the exact same muscle mass without steroids, as Hitogoroshi mentioned above. A friend of mine is extremely diesel, but he spends nearly all of his time working out, too. Much like bodybuilders, Ryan and Jackson, more than likely, focus all their time in the gym on getting bigger, rather than cardio or some other regiment. Different exercises yield different results- their desired result is size. Ergo, their going to focus on size and they're going to get that size increase, and they won't need steroids or HGH to do so.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jul 22, 2011 20:35:59 GMT -5
Let's not forget to mention obvious gas heads like Sin Cara.... i thought the wellness policy covered everything from pain pills, to muscle relaxers, to weed, to other illegal drugs, to some (not all) enhancement drugs. i could be wrong, but i assumed Sin Cara was busted for something else. yeah Zeke and Ryan are huge but neither say "i'm obviously on 'Roids" as when Test came back and was ridiculously jakked. but i would say Ryan over Zeke, Zeke looks like his body and frame can naturally hold all that muscle and he can move with it. Mason Ryan lumbers around all awkward with the muscle on his frame.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 22, 2011 20:51:08 GMT -5
i'll give everyone a good example of using steroids the right way and using them the wrong way wrong way........ hogan spent more time out of the gym at this period and let the steroids do the work and.......well......its obvious what happened. right way....... luger actually worked out while on them and didnt let the drug use him. ITP: Someone who doesn't know how steroids work. You still have to work out to get big ass muscles. You don't just shoot up and become Hulk. They're a drug, not gamma radiation.
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Post by avenger on Jul 22, 2011 20:57:06 GMT -5
Steroids accelerate muscle growth, they don't let muscles grow past their natural maximum. Someone like Zeke and Ryan are genetic freaks, who need to put in a lot of gym time whether they are on the gas or not. That neither of them has fallen foul of the wellness policy yet, implies that they are not abusing steroids. If the WWE are going to suspend Rey Mysterio for wellness, they'd have no problems having Ryan or Zeke do the same. It's more likely to be the guys who don't have Vince's stereotypical view of wrestler that are using, in order to try and gain extra mass. The one guy who I would suggest is most likely to have used in the past out of the current roster (I won't name names because I have zero proof), isn't musclebound like Zeke or Ryan, but lean. They still have muscles (everyone on the roster has), but aren't what you would call musclebound. The most muscular guy on the roster, of course, is Mark Henry. He will have regularly passed Olympic standard testing (weightlifting have the most stringent testing of any sport), and Lance Storm has stated in the past that all the locker room believed that Mark Henry was clean. Steroid use is surrounded by so many myths it's not event funny. People don't realize that it was Ben Johnson's use of steroids in the Olympics that caused the the anti-steroid stuff, and not proof that they are dangerous. The anti-steroid stuff was around before Ben Johnson. If it hadn't, then taking steroids would have been legal in sport, and Ben Johnson would have had a gold medal. The anti-steroid stuff started in the 1970s when the Eastern Bloc nations (especially East Germany, the USSR and to a lesser extent Bulgaria) were systematically doping their athletes with a view to excelling at certain international sports (mainly athletics and swimming) for propaganda purposes.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 22, 2011 20:59:18 GMT -5
There's a lot of steroid misinformation out there I think. I'm currently on steroids. Well, 5mg of prednesone for my rhumethoid arthritis. I read about Sin Cara's steroid use, and it involved injecting stuff for his knees, which believe me, my left knee has really been bothering me, so I feel sympathy for him in that regard.
With Funaki, I think it was some sort of anti-aging deal. So different steroids are used for different purposes.
In regards to some of the bigger guys, one thing put forth was guys using steroids for hormone replacement therapy, as maybe they used steroids for awhile that their testosterone got really low, and if they come off the juice, it messes them up. That's what happened with Mr. Anderson, though he didn't get his legally. However, some guys are naturally just big guys, and some are hard gainers.
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Post by avenger on Jul 22, 2011 21:08:09 GMT -5
Someone who doesn't know how steroids work. You still have to work out to get big ass muscles. You don't just shoot up and become Hulk. They're a drug, not gamma radiation. Yeah, the way some people talk, it's as thoug steroids work as though they're some sort of inflating tool. Luger's an interesting one. He spent most of 1992 sitting at home waiting for the go-ahead to start working for the WWF (until his accident at least - he'd asked for his WCW release in , and they gave it to him on the condition he wouldn't wrestle for a year). Luger loved working out (and despite the WBF stuff, wasn't a bodybuilder) and at the time was considered to be clean because he was small compared to Hogan, Warrior et al. A lot's been learned since then.
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Post by BigWill on Jul 22, 2011 21:08:33 GMT -5
Steroids accelerate muscle growth, they don't let muscles grow past their natural maximum. The second part of this statement could not be more wrong. This would not be humanly possible without steroids. Sure there are other factors, insulin, hgh, genetics, and plain old hard work, but steroids certainly played a big part in it.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 22, 2011 21:13:10 GMT -5
I'm definitely not an expert on this topic, but I strongly feel that some of the guys from WWE have used so-called 'natural testosterone' or 'human growth harmone.' Those who used these may have had valid prescriptions from doctors, but perhaps not and the beat the tests because supposedly tests haven't always been able to detect them (and still may not be able to).
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 22, 2011 21:22:14 GMT -5
i'll give everyone a good example of using steroids the right way and using them the wrong way wrong way........ hogan spent more time out of the gym at this period and let the steroids do the work and.......well......its obvious what happened. right way....... luger actually worked out while on them and didnt let the drug use him. ITP: Someone who doesn't know how steroids work. You still have to work out to get big ass muscles. You don't just shoot up and become Hulk. They're a drug, not gamma radiation. the 80's are now laughing at you. look at how hulk's body changed from 1980 to about 1991 and tell me he wasnt on something then abruptly stopped and got more lean. and yes you can just shoot up steroids and they will work. ask any major league baseball player who was all mass but not ripped.
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Post by Sektor on Jul 22, 2011 21:25:41 GMT -5
I think you'll find the "just look at them" accusation doesn't really hold up. Win. OT: I can MAYBE give you Ryan as someone who's on PEDs. But Big Zeke just looks like a good old fashioned bodybuilder really. And I think the fact that he can't go in the ring kinda shows that he trains like a bodybuilder first and foremost.
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