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Post by cool guy on Jul 22, 2011 21:27:08 GMT -5
Isn't the whole "muscle mass vs muscle definition(aka, being "ripped)" thing pretty dependent on how you work out/eat, too?
/doesn't really have any knowledge of these things.
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 22, 2011 21:28:08 GMT -5
I'm definitely not an expert on this topic, but I strongly feel that some of the guys from WWE have used so-called 'natural testosterone' or 'human growth harmone.' Those who used these may have had valid prescriptions from doctors, but perhaps not and the beat the tests because supposedly tests haven't always been able to detect them (and still may not be able to). you hit the nail on the head right there. all guys are not on steroids. i just dont get how some people think hgh and natural testosterone are "illegal" because 30 years ago most vitamins werent legal. things like whey protein and stuff u can get at any GNC now were "steroids" back then because the idiots with all the tests and "doctors" didnt know a damn thing. heres a recent case, diana taurasi tested positive for something while playing ball in turkey......they fired her......then asked what it was....it was cough syrup and now they wanna make nice. its kinda like accusing someone of rape publicly and they never met you, its the fact u called them something and it can never be shaken
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 22, 2011 21:30:01 GMT -5
Win. OT: I can MAYBE give you Ryan as someone who's on PEDs. But Big Zeke just looks like a good old fashioned bodybuilder really. And I think the fact that he can't go in the ring kinda shows that he trains like a bodybuilder first and foremost. this looks pretty natural, like he's been in the gym. how ever when your body looks like batista........then a year later u look totally different just like batista........people wonder.
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Post by cool guy on Jul 22, 2011 21:31:37 GMT -5
I suppose Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit looked "pretty natural" too?
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Post by kyromax on Jul 22, 2011 21:32:56 GMT -5
To build a natural muscular body you need a really good diet, time to work out up to 6 days a week and rest. That would be really tough to do while being on the road 300 days a year. There are supplements and other things that they could be on that are either just not tested for or not illegal.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 22, 2011 21:42:06 GMT -5
ITP: Someone who doesn't know how steroids work. You still have to work out to get big ass muscles. You don't just shoot up and become Hulk. They're a drug, not gamma radiation. the 80's are now laughing at you. look at how hulk's body changed from 1980 to about 1991 and tell me he wasnt on something then abruptly stopped and got more lean. and yes you can just shoot up steroids and they will work. ask any major league baseball player who was all mass but not ripped. Obviously he roided, then stopped. That doesn't mean he didn't have to put effort into keeping those pythons that big, brother. As far as him leaning out, it's possible he did that on purpose anyway. He was away for awhile, and didn't keep up his normal, huge ring shape. There's also the possibility of injuries adding up over the year and he wanted to live more comfortably. HBK was noticeably slimmed down when he made his return, as the extra mass was bad for his back. My point was just shooting up, and not working out doesn't give results like this: www.ifight365.com/wp-content/images/wwesatnightshot2.jpg [/img] Last I knew, Hulk frequented Gold's Gym a lot, so there's also that.
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Post by avenger on Jul 22, 2011 21:43:15 GMT -5
Steroids accelerate muscle growth, they don't let muscles grow past their natural maximum. The second part of this statement could not be more wrong. This would not be humanly possible without steroids. Sure there are other factors, insulin, hgh, genetics, and plain old hard work, but steroids certainly played a big part in it. That guy is a genetic freak., but if his muscles could not naturally grow to that size, no amount of steroids or HGH would allow him to get that size. By his own admission, Luger couldn't take enough steroids, and was the biggest gymhead in the business. It's fair to say that his muscles reached the maximum that they could - yet he looked natural compared to most of his peers at the time. Win. OT: I can MAYBE give you Ryan as someone who's on PEDs. But Big Zeke just looks like a good old fashioned bodybuilder really. And I think the fact that he can't go in the ring kinda shows that he trains like a bodybuilder first and foremost. this looks pretty natural, like he's been in the gym. how ever when your body looks like batista........then a year later u look totally different just like batista........people wonder. Muscles atrophy for many reasons. Like for example, you stop taking steroids. Or you stop working out for some reason. I suppose Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit looked "pretty natural" too? Eddie and Benoit (and Pillman too) all had weird looking phsyiques. They were all ripped in their upper bodies (especially Eddie), yet it was almost as though they had forgotten to work out below their waists, because they all has thinner, spindly legs (especially Pillman).
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 22, 2011 21:43:24 GMT -5
I suppose Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit looked "pretty natural" too? ok so you're comparing two totally different physiques which is in no way fair. benoit was famous for being in the gym 7 days a week but probably took something later on. and eddie took something that made him more ripped. he was always solid. so two different stories.
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Post by avenger on Jul 22, 2011 21:48:18 GMT -5
the 80's are now laughing at you. look at how hulk's body changed from 1980 to about 1991 and tell me he wasnt on something then abruptly stopped and got more lean. and yes you can just shoot up steroids and they will work. ask any major league baseball player who was all mass but not ripped. Obviously he roided, then stopped. That doesn't mean he didn't have to put effort into keeping those pythons that big, brother. As far as him leaning out, it's possible he did that on purpose anyway. He was away for awhile, and didn't keep up his normal, huge ring shape. There's also the possibility of injuries adding up over the year and he wanted to love more comfortably. HBK was noticeably slimmed down when he made his return, as the extra mass was bad for his back. My point was just shooting up, and not working out doesn't give results like this: www.ifight365.com/wp-content/images/wwesatnightshot2.jpg [/img] Last I knew, Hulk frequented Gold's Gym a lot, so there's also that.[/quote] It was well known in the late 1980s and early 90s, that the wrestlers would use steroids in cycles, aiming to "look their best" for the major shows (like Mania). then easing off the gas and the gym work for a while, so they were in better condition to work longer matches at the house shows, before building back up for Summerslam.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 22, 2011 21:52:00 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever been this happy in my life about anything.
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Post by foreveryoung on Jul 22, 2011 21:57:55 GMT -5
Probably not roids anymore but HGH. That stuff can be undetectable.
And besides Roids aren't a big deal if you cycle them properly and don't abuse them. Wrestling isn't really a legitimate sport where Roids will give you an advnatage over the other aside from recovering from injuries faster.
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Post by BigWill on Jul 22, 2011 22:16:36 GMT -5
The second part of this statement could not be more wrong. This would not be humanly possible without steroids. Sure there are other factors, insulin, hgh, genetics, and plain old hard work, but steroids certainly played a big part in it. That guy is a genetic freak., but if his muscles could not naturally grow to that size, no amount of steroids or HGH would allow him to get that size. By his own admission, Luger couldn't take enough steroids, and was the biggest gymhead in the business. It's fair to say that his muscles reached the maximum that they could - yet he looked natural compared to most of his peers at the time. this looks pretty natural, like he's been in the gym. how ever when your body looks like batista........then a year later u look totally different just like batista........people wonder. Genetic freak or not, it's impossible to get that big naturally. Just take a look at the biggest natural bodybuilders in the world. None of them are over 220 lbs contest ready. Then take a look at Ronnie Coleman. Over 300 lbs. It takes more than just genetics to account for that size difference.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 22, 2011 22:19:35 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever been this happy in my life about anything. Heh... it was a thinly veiled excuse just to put that pic up, because it made me smile.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 22, 2011 22:20:08 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the pic of that guy and think it was Michael Tarver at first?
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 22, 2011 22:33:35 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the pic of that guy and think it was Michael Tarver at first? I was more thinking about how his abs had cleavage.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 22, 2011 22:36:20 GMT -5
Did anyone else see the pic of that guy and think it was Michael Tarver at first? I was more thinking about how his abs had cleavage. I seriously thought someone photoshopped Tarver's head on someone's body at first...
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 22, 2011 22:43:36 GMT -5
Win. OT: I can MAYBE give you Ryan as someone who's on PEDs. But Big Zeke just looks like a good old fashioned bodybuilder really. And I think the fact that he can't go in the ring kinda shows that he trains like a bodybuilder first and foremost. this looks pretty natural, like he's been in the gym. how ever when your body looks like batista........then a year later u look totally different just like batista........people wonder. Honestly? I just threw up the picture of Conway for the obvious 'Just look at me' joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 23:07:25 GMT -5
[/img] [/quote] I just think the typo in the section that I quoted is hilarious and I like the picture.
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Post by chaimwitz on Jul 23, 2011 0:15:52 GMT -5
That guy is a genetic freak., but if his muscles could not naturally grow to that size, no amount of steroids or HGH would allow him to get that size. By his own admission, Luger couldn't take enough steroids, and was the biggest gymhead in the business. It's fair to say that his muscles reached the maximum that they could - yet he looked natural compared to most of his peers at the time. this looks pretty natural, like he's been in the gym. how ever when your body looks like batista........then a year later u look totally different just like batista........people wonder. Genetic freak or not, it's impossible to get that big naturally. Just take a look at the biggest natural bodybuilders in the world. None of them are over 220 lbs contest ready. Then take a look at Ronnie Coleman. Over 300 lbs. It takes more than just genetics to account for that size difference. thats because off season and on season weight differs by nearly 100 pounds on some guys. i dont think coleman competes on the same level he did when he was younger. some contests go for sheer size,others for the whole package
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 23, 2011 1:43:55 GMT -5
[/img] [/quote] I just think the typo in the section that I quoted is hilarious and I like the picture.[/quote] Ha, god damnit, hate when it's a typo like that that spell check doesn't notice since it's an actual word.
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