Rican
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Post by Rican on Jul 22, 2011 23:11:39 GMT -5
The stigma about indy wrestlers coming into the WWE is broken? That we need no longer worry when the WWE signs a prominent indy wrestler that they're just gonna be jobbed out left and right before being released eventually? It seems like the cycle might be broken.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Jul 22, 2011 23:13:41 GMT -5
It's impossible to judge this based solely on two people's individual success.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 23:15:09 GMT -5
Punk and Bryan were THE top indy guys for a good while. I don't really see anyone on the indy's currently at the same level that they were when they were there.
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Post by Altabane on Jul 22, 2011 23:29:27 GMT -5
No way, Punk and Bryan were made for success. Some guys will go there and be labeled and that'll be the end for their climb up the ladder.
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Post by The Tank on Jul 22, 2011 23:32:51 GMT -5
K-A-V-A-L spells no.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Jul 22, 2011 23:34:39 GMT -5
They will definitely take the mold, shake the mold, break the mold, and re-make the mold of a "proper WWE superstar"...
... thus allowing a lot of your "smaller", more talented indy wrestlers to seem like viable WWE prospects.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 22, 2011 23:56:20 GMT -5
Honestly DB and Punk have some pretty noticeable advantages over most other indy wrestlers.
DB has pretty good backstage connections in guys like Regal and possibly Cena and Shawn Michaels.
CM Punk had Heyman behind him when he first started out, helping him transition fairly smoothly with little to no changes to his gimmick or personality.
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Post by siredger on Jul 22, 2011 23:59:08 GMT -5
It's hard for me to jump to that conclusion. If the signings of Hero & Castagnoli happen and we see them achieve Punk-like level of success, then we could say that. Although Hero and Castagnoli are physically bigger than Punk and Bryan so they have in my book a better shot at breaking the glass ceiling in the E.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Jul 23, 2011 0:00:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't really consider Daniel Bryan as a success yet. I know he won MITB but I will wait a little longer.
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Post by Rican on Jul 23, 2011 0:01:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't really consider Daniel Bryan as a success yet. I know he won MITB but I will wait a little longer. Even if he does end up being the first person to lose a cash in winning MITB usually means a pretty big push...except for Jack Swagger. |
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Post by Corporate H on Jul 23, 2011 0:04:19 GMT -5
I'm not even sure where this myth comes from. All the independent guys who were actually worth the hype generally rose up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 0:10:19 GMT -5
I'm not even sure where this myth comes from. All the independent guys who were actually worth the hype generally rose up. Yeah, if ANYTHING more people that werent indy studs fail. I mean, Kaval failed, but he lacks anything resembling charisma, and Cabana failed, which was unfortunate, but...who else is there really? |
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Post by Taupy on Jul 23, 2011 0:22:58 GMT -5
It depends of the attitude of the guy when he comes to WWE.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 23, 2011 1:12:52 GMT -5
nah. Bryan had been hyped up by HBK and Regal for awhile as a successful WWE star, but he only wanted to go when the time was right (ie, he had nothing else to prove on the indies). And despite what people think, Bryan does have decent charisma.
Punk also had the advantage of coming in as a great promo guy as both a face and a heel, a unique look, and he didn't really have to change his style up either. The general consensus with Punk was if they let him be him, he'd be a huge get.
There are guys out there that the WWE has signed that were becoming big indy names (Tyler Black and Jon Moxley) that could easily become big if they are allowed to be themselves, but as been said many times, the only other guys out there that are can't miss guys are Hero, Claudio, and Colt and the WWE already messed up Colt.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 23, 2011 1:17:53 GMT -5
I'm not even sure where this myth comes from. All the independent guys who were actually worth the hype generally rose up. Um...outside of Punk and DB who else from the indies 'rose up to the top'? Or are you saying that throughout the entire country, or even the entire world, there's only two indie wrestlers 'worthy' of being in the WWE? |
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Post by cool guy on Jul 23, 2011 1:20:34 GMT -5
I'm not even sure where this myth comes from. All the independent guys who were actually worth the hype generally rose up. Um...outside of Punk and DB who else from the indies 'rose up to the top'? Or are you saying that throughout the entire country, or even the entire world, there's only two indie wrestlers 'worthy' of being in the WWE? I think he was only talking about wrestlers who were signed. |
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jul 23, 2011 1:24:24 GMT -5
I'm not even sure where this myth comes from. All the independent guys who were actually worth the hype generally rose up. Um...outside of Punk and DB who else from the indies 'rose up to the top'? Or are you saying that throughout the entire country, or even the entire world, there's only two indie wrestlers 'worthy' of being in the WWE? Except for Punk, Bryan, Kaval, and Cabana, whose been given a shot? 2/4 have won Money in the Bank, Punk doing it twice along with multiple works titles as well as being the star of Act I of THE angle for the rest of 2011. Kaval failed but he was booked as shit. Cabana got repackaged and never really got a shot, he's been name dropped several times by Punk recently and was seen front row and one of the most highly anticipated pay per views in recent memory. The guy's been getting chants and he's not even under contract. |
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Post by Corporate H on Jul 23, 2011 3:16:00 GMT -5
Um...outside of Punk and DB who else from the indies 'rose up to the top'? Or are you saying that throughout the entire country, or even the entire world, there's only two indie wrestlers 'worthy' of being in the WWE? Except for Punk, Bryan, Kaval, and Cabana, whose been given a shot? 2/4 have won Money in the Bank, Punk doing it twice along with multiple works titles as well as being the star of Act I of THE angle for the rest of 2011. Kaval failed but he was booked as s***. Cabana got repackaged and never really got a shot, he's been name dropped several times by Punk recently and was seen front row and one of the most highly anticipated pay per views in recent memory. The guy's been getting chants and he's not even under contract. The one guy I can really think of who was misused was Cabana and who knows why. Kaval didn't really fail as much as he kinda aborted himself. Other guys like Chris Hero are just now (allegedly) being considered because he's honestly just now upped his game. Who's to say guys like Davey Richards won't eventually make their way onto TV? Other guys like AJ Styles and Samoa Joe seem to be stuck in their ways at TNA for God knows why. |
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jul 23, 2011 6:14:55 GMT -5
They arent just 2 indy guys. Both were THE GUY for a while. Its not that theyre indy wrestlers, theyre just really freaking good at what they do.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 23, 2011 10:13:27 GMT -5
You can also add Sheamus's success to that list, seeing as he spent a good amount of time in unarguably indy promotions before going into WWE developmental.
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