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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 17, 2011 22:57:35 GMT -5
Cash in on a vulnerable champion?
I can see why it would make a heel look foolish, yeah, but why a face?
Particularly in the case of someone like DB, and how a big part of his character is how he prides himself on his wrestling skills, wouldn't it make sense for someone like that to want his first title win to be fair and square in a clean match versus a fresh champion?
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Post by Thurman Merman on Jul 17, 2011 22:59:40 GMT -5
True. But If I just won a match against 7 other guys where I could have had my face caved in with a ladder, I would want a cheap win too.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 17, 2011 23:00:03 GMT -5
The only other time where Money in the Bank was cashed in fairly was when RVD did it in 2006, and he won, even.
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Post by Free Hat on Jul 17, 2011 23:00:49 GMT -5
Face MitB winner cashing in on vulnerable champion is just a horrible idea in general, because it makes the guy look like he can't get it done on his own. Just ask CM Punk.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 17, 2011 23:00:56 GMT -5
Maybe DB felt hurt too.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 17, 2011 23:01:59 GMT -5
Even for a heel, you could even argue it away that he'd been through a big match with plenty of nasty bumps, and didn't want to go into his match at less than 100%. Not like the champion's never going to have an exhausting match again or be beaten up again, right?
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 17, 2011 23:03:37 GMT -5
It makes sense from a story standpoint that they shouldn't cash it in on a vulnerable champion. It just doesn't make as much sense from a real life standpoint.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jul 17, 2011 23:03:37 GMT -5
Because Joey Styles was keeping him busy in order to buy Christian some time.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 17, 2011 23:05:29 GMT -5
He's an idiot because Christian was dead.
What they should have done is have him come out to cash it while Orton is spazzing out, and have Orton RKO his ass. And then go back and break the damn table already.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 17, 2011 23:06:51 GMT -5
He's an idiot because Christian was dead. What they should have done is have him come out to cash it while Orton is spazzing out, and have Orton RKO his ass. And then go back and break the damn table already. They established when Miz had it that the champion had to be able to have a match before they could cash it in on them. So if Christian was that beat up and he couldn't even stand, then precedent would state that he couldn't really cash in anyways.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 17, 2011 23:09:19 GMT -5
He's an idiot because Christian was dead. What they should have done is have him come out to cash it while Orton is spazzing out, and have Orton RKO his ass. And then go back and break the damn table already. They established when Miz had it that the champion had to be able to have a match before they could cash it in on them. So if Christian was that beat up and he couldn't even stand, then precedent would state that he couldn't really cash in anyways. Champion just has to be able to get up. Christian was up. All and all, it's a small plot point and Orton probably would have had to beat him up, since he went nuts.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 17, 2011 23:12:46 GMT -5
Lets not forget DB just won a freaking ladder match. Maybe he's not 100 percent himself?
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 17, 2011 23:15:23 GMT -5
It makes sense from a story standpoint that they shouldn't cash it in on a vulnerable champion. It just doesn't make as much sense from a real life standpoint. How so? To me it'd look like they take pride in their work and don't want to tarnish it by taking shortcuts.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 17, 2011 23:16:59 GMT -5
They established when Miz had it that the champion had to be able to have a match before they could cash it in on them. So if Christian was that beat up and he couldn't even stand, then precedent would state that he couldn't really cash in anyways. Champion just has to be able to get up. Christian was up. All and all, it's a small plot point and Orton probably would have had to beat him up, since he went nuts. They didn't really show him up. Whenever they let go, he pretty much fell to his knees again.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jul 17, 2011 23:17:04 GMT -5
Well, if we're speaking from a purely logical standpoint, then the MitB holder (face or heel) should cash in at his very first opportunity against a downed champ. It only makes sense.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 17, 2011 23:19:10 GMT -5
Champion just has to be able to get up. Christian was up. All and all, it's a small plot point and Orton probably would have had to beat him up, since he went nuts. They didn't really show him up. Whenever they let go, he pretty much fell to his knees again. Other guys were in worse shape than that. I think with Miz, they just wanted Orton halfway decent to tease a MITB loss.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 17, 2011 23:20:43 GMT -5
Lets not forget DB just won a freaking ladder match. Maybe he's not 100 percent himself? True, I wish as someone mentioned in another thread, one of the announcers woulda brought that up, deflating the possibility. Just have something like King saying " Could Daniel Bryan choose now to cash in?" And Cole respond with " He's probably pretty banged up himself, that ladder match was brutal..." Something like that would fit right in, and close any possible logic holes.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 17, 2011 23:22:22 GMT -5
It makes sense from a story standpoint that they shouldn't cash it in on a vulnerable champion. It just doesn't make as much sense from a real life standpoint. How so? To me it'd look like they take pride in their work and don't want to tarnish it by taking shortcuts. That's why I said it makes sense from a story standpoint. In the theater of wrestling, it'd make sense for a good guy to try to do it that way. If you stripped that away, the briefcase is basically a free shot to be at the top and prove you belong there. I don't see many people turning that away because they want to work in the proverbial mailroom, so to speak. I think if ou extrapolate what the MitB means in the real world, you'd find that the vast majority of the people, including those that take pride in their work, would just at the chance to have it. It seems like a shortcut in wrestling because that's just the whole story aspect of it. But if we were applying full on logic, it'd mean a chance to prove yourself as the top dog.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 17, 2011 23:24:30 GMT -5
Maybe he has Wrestlemania in his head and is waiting for that
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 17, 2011 23:24:41 GMT -5
They didn't really show him up. Whenever they let go, he pretty much fell to his knees again. Other guys were in worse shape than that. I think with Miz, they just wanted Orton halfway decent to tease a MITB loss. Honestly, the only one I think was in worse shape than Christian was when Edge cashed it in on The Undertaker. I think every other time, they were in long matches and were tired, or had been beaten up, but they were still able to get up. The way they sold it, Christian wasn't able to stand without help.
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