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Post by joebob27 on Jul 4, 2011 22:58:35 GMT -5
I'm a musician and I'm trying to feed myself. Does that mean I can call myself Nickelback and play a song I call "Photograph"? Yes. Tribute acts are common. But they wouldn't name themselves the same name as the band. I think they would squash this even if the roster for the show was 5 16-year olds. Especially if they're using a logo.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 4, 2011 23:03:57 GMT -5
Yes. Tribute acts are common. But they wouldn't name themselves the same name as the band. I think they would squash this even if the roster for the show was 5 16-year olds. Especially if they're using a logo. Actually, looking at tribute-band.com, which is apparently a thing, you'd be shocked how many of these names are either the exact same, just with a location added to denote them(REM UK instead of just REM, for instance), or just a couple of letters tacked on (Green toDay instead of Green Day), or taking the name of a hit song to use as a band name(Not to go back to the REM well, but a band called Shiny Happy people, for example). Weird.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 4, 2011 23:06:21 GMT -5
But they wouldn't name themselves the same name as the band. I think they would squash this even if the roster for the show was 5 16-year olds. Especially if they're using a logo. Actually, looking at tribute-band.com, which is apparently a thing, you'd be shocked how many of these names are either the exact same, just with a location added to denote them(REM UK instead of just REM, for instance), or just a couple of letters tacked on (Green toDay instead of Green Day). Weird. Yeah, that's basically the minimum required. But I can't call my band Metallica and go have a concert, say in some town park. Obviously the people would have to be total morons to be confused between the two, but they own the trademark. Just like these guys probably have a letter in their future.
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Post by Mac on Jul 4, 2011 23:09:17 GMT -5
There is an indy promotion I'm familiar with that steals ideas, names, etc. from WWE all the time. Most recently they've started promoting a show entitled 'SummerSlam' along with the old WWF SummerSlam logo. I want to keep this as short as possible and not name names on the board, but who can I contact from WWE to send them a link to the website or promotional images? This got me nowhere: www.wwe.com/help/contactusIs it really bothering you that much that they're doing this? I don't see the need to narc on a backwoods indy promotion for lazy graphics and unimaginative show names.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 5, 2011 1:01:08 GMT -5
They have to make a stand for the sole sake of defending a trademark. If you let one indy fed get away with something, TNA or ROH can argue they let their trademark slip. It's the same concept as Apple defending App Store... and "Kleenex" defending their brand. Otherwise, you slip into the public domain. Google has been so adiment about defending the association of "Just google it" because they know it could slip if they don't.
WWE didn't defend Doink and it's now Public Domain no matter what they try to claim. It will not happen again. Vince learns from his mistakes. If a trademark will make him money. it will not be going the way of Rock N Roll's original drum beat (name escape me of the drummer who came up with it due to massive consumption).
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 5, 2011 2:16:56 GMT -5
What are you trying to tell inform the WWE about some indy fed calling their show Summerslam? I doubt their legal department will care about an Indy fed. Now if they were to promote the show on PPV and try to pass it off as a WWE show than there would be trouble. My father's old company (a small business) used an animated rabbit likeness that looked and acted nothing like Bugs Bunny on billboards and commercials many years ago. Disney sent a letter threatening a big, expensive lawsuit if he didn't stop. He did, because just going to court would have cost more than it was worth.That's weird that Disney would send a cease and desist order for someone using a Warner Bros. cartoon knock off.
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Post by Lardlad on Jul 5, 2011 10:06:42 GMT -5
Here is another promotion using a similar tactic. This time it's the King of the Ring logo and less importantly concept. Not gonna bother emailing this one because I actually like ISW. www.interspecieswrestling.com/
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Post by turkeysandwich on Jul 5, 2011 10:23:32 GMT -5
My father's old company (a small business) used an animated rabbit likeness that looked and acted nothing like Bugs Bunny on billboards and commercials many years ago. Disney sent a letter threatening a big, expensive lawsuit if he didn't stop. He did, because just going to court would have cost more than it was worth. That's weird that Disney would send a cease and desist order for someone using a Warner Bros. cartoon knock off. I wonder if Oswald the Lucky Rabbit was who they thought it looked like, since he looks and acts nothing like Bugs Bunny, but he is owned by Disney, as he was Disney's star before Mickey Mouse.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 5, 2011 10:58:53 GMT -5
Here is another promotion using a similar tactic. This time it's the King of the Ring logo and less importantly concept. Not gonna bother emailing this one because I actually like ISW. www.interspecieswrestling.com/I wouldn't exactly consider that one a complete rip off so much as a parody...and an awesome parody at that. Burger King of the Ring...and it looks like the prize is a burger? Outstanding. What bothers me more than anything is the amount of people here that don't think it matters that some small indy fed is using the SummerSlam name and old school logo. Um...it's not like the BKotR where it's just a flat out parody...they're stealing the actual PPV name and even using one of the real logos they used for the show. Defending theft and laziness is just wrong. Then again, I've never expected much integrity out of half of teh interwebs anyways...
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jul 5, 2011 12:00:42 GMT -5
Yeah, that KotR one is definitely a parody and it's perfectly legal.
I guess as an artist I'm pretty uptight about copyright and trademark. Indy feds shouldn't just go around stealing WWE's concepts.
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Post by thegame415 on Jul 5, 2011 19:57:06 GMT -5
Really random, but I remember seeing "wrestling" toys at the dollar store during the Attitude era that were complete ripoffs. The best of all was some figure named "Mick Man". Get it? I wish I could find a pic.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 5, 2011 20:01:55 GMT -5
There was a promotion based out of Atlanta, GA that was using WCW intellectual properties like naming their shows after old ppvs. They got a nice letter from McDevitt telling them to cease and desist or prepare for a lawsuit. They stopped it doing quick.
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 5, 2011 23:38:24 GMT -5
There was an indie tv show that just a few months ago usually showed indy matches, however, they also had a "vault" segment that showed AWA matches (obviously taped from ESPN classic), and on the last episode that i remember seeing aired, they not only showed a randy savage squash from the wwf (this was the week of his death) but also they made a fake hall of fame video that implied that savage was going into the WWE HOF in 2012. Havent seen the show on tv since that episode,,i wonder why.
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Post by Schemer on Jul 6, 2011 0:10:53 GMT -5
As an actor and comedian, I must say, and probably apart from most people in my field, but all the copyright Nazis make me physically ill. Have you nothing better to do with your time than be a snitch?
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Post by jadison on Jul 6, 2011 0:41:35 GMT -5
I'm a musician and I'm trying to feed myself. Does that mean I can call myself Nickelback and play a song I call "Photograph"? No. Nobody should ever play Nickleback songs ever. Not even Nickleback Well played sir.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Jul 6, 2011 0:46:30 GMT -5
Just because of the complete prick way he came off to my friends and I, I sent something to the WWE telling them Buff Bagwell was selling NWO merch on his web site.
It disappeared a few days later.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 6, 2011 1:18:25 GMT -5
As an actor and comedian, I must say, and probably apart from most people in my field, but all the copyright Nazis make me physically ill. Have you nothing better to do with your time than be a snitch? Nazi and snitch are strong words my friend. Just curious as to what you have against such "copyright Nazis"? A personal experience from being an actor or comedian? I'm just curious about what makes you hate use strong words about these "copyright Nazis". As someone that's written several things online...you'd be surprised how often lazy pricks just copy your work and just pass it off on their own sites without permission...or even worse, pass it off as their own work. WWE owns "SummerSlam". WWE owns the old SummerSlam logo. It's their intellectual property. It would be one thing to do a total parody making fun of the big PPV's, it's a whole other thing to just advertise it as such. (To be honest, I really doubt anyone would confuse an indy show as a WWE PPV, but I bet there's that one idiot out there.) That's just laziness upon the indy feds part. How long does it really take to come up with a show name and logo. (Hell, I bet I can come up with twenty show names in less than five minutes.) To me it just sounds like the OP came across the show advertisement and was annoyed at the fact that some indy fed would blatantly rip off WWE that way and wanted to give him a heads up over their stupidity. He comes here asking for help in dropping WWE an email that they might NEVER read...and instead a few posters drop the "snitch" bomb a few times. Just seems disrespectful to me...but what do I know?
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Post by Schemer on Jul 6, 2011 1:46:37 GMT -5
As an actor and comedian, I must say, and probably apart from most people in my field, but all the copyright Nazis make me physically ill. Have you nothing better to do with your time than be a snitch? Nazi and snitch are strong words my friend. Just curious as to what you have against such "copyright Nazis"? A personal experience from being an actor or comedian? I'm just curious about what makes you hate use strong words about these "copyright Nazis". As someone that's written several things online...you'd be surprised how often lazy pricks just copy your work and just pass it off on their own sites without permission...or even worse, pass it off as their own work. WWE owns "SummerSlam". WWE owns the old SummerSlam logo. It's their intellectual property. It would be one thing to do a total parody making fun of the big PPV's, it's a whole other thing to just advertise it as such. (To be honest, I really doubt anyone would confuse an indy show as a WWE PPV, but I bet there's that one idiot out there.) That's just laziness upon the indy feds part. How long does it really take to come up with a show name and logo. (Hell, I bet I can come up with twenty show names in less than five minutes.) To me it just sounds like the OP came across the show advertisement and was annoyed at the fact that some indy fed would blatantly rip off WWE that way and wanted to give him a heads up over their stupidity. He comes here asking for help in dropping WWE an email that they might NEVER read...and instead a few posters drop the "snitch" bomb a few times. Just seems disrespectful to me...but what do I know? Well, it's something that has been building up in my gut for a long time and unfortunately, you were just the recipient of it. If you were offended, I apologize. However, it doesn't much change my feelings. I wouldn't be surprised. I've seen my jokes stolen by other comedians here all the time, normally I just deal with them personally, rather that sic a lawyer on them. That's just my own personal style. Your actions seem kinda excessive given what could happen to the person and the workers of that promotion should WWE actually read your e-mail. They could all lose their livelihood or worse. It may have raised my ire a bit. My wondering of it was "Why bother? Let them alone, they're not really profiting much from it." The true problem though was just me being angry at copyright law in general and that your actions or potential actions remind me of those youtube users who go around looking for old wrestling or television shows (Many of which will never be seen again or haven't been seen in many years, see my sig and avatar? That show hasn't been aired since 1998 and yet many people who would post episodes on youtube get flagged and have to remove the vids, despite that fact) to flag and snitch on. As someone in the entertainment field, if I recorded a comedy special for HBO, say... I would WANT the publicity. I want as many people as possible to enjoy my art. Now, if someone saw it on youtube and stole a part of my act say, unless I heard about it, my reaction is, let it be. Nothing like that would hurt my money in any real way. I feel the same way about this. It doesn't hurt WWE. It would just hurt this little promotion. So, like I said before, if my words were personally offensive, I apologize for them, but I feel very passionate about the issue behind it.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 6, 2011 2:44:10 GMT -5
Gotta say, you sound like a bit of a snitch.
Not that an indy fed using naming one of their shows Summerslam and using the old logo isn't completely stupid, but you seem to be trying to go through a lot of trouble just to tell on somebody. Jeez Louise.
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Post by Raging_Demons on Jul 6, 2011 2:52:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that KotR one is definitely a parody and it's perfectly legal. I guess as an artist I'm pretty uptight about copyright and trademark. Indy feds shouldn't just go around stealing WWE's concepts. Yeah but as a businessman I can understand it. If your a barely unknown company it will be pretty hard to stand out on your own. HOWEVER! If you use something that's PERFECTLY legal & it has some national name recognition, say WWE from this thread, then of course they will use it because WWE is more known than "Mom & Pop".
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