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Post by Scree is SCIENCE! ENERGY! on Apr 4, 2006 16:29:15 GMT -5
The WWE website also told us it's HHH's fault that the crowd turned against Cena. That was opinion. The title history is fact. Learn the difference please. Yes, and it's a fact the Big Gold Belt dates further back than WWE.
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Post by Kevwhatshisname on Apr 4, 2006 16:29:16 GMT -5
The thing about the world championship that it is the WCW belt. Did you watch raw and they showed the this week in wrestling with Flair/Stemboad. That's the same belt. By the way, why didn't the original poster, name this the I hate Rey because he's short and Vince has instilled in my brain that no one under 6 ft should hold any belt but the damn near useless cruiserweight belt thread. Nah to many words I guess.
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Post by breakingpoint on Apr 4, 2006 16:29:20 GMT -5
Rey is a spot monkey
Hell, I like spot monkeys but the fact is he is a spot monkey. Rey even says he is in the Eddie dvd although he works to get better
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Post by breakingpoint on Apr 4, 2006 16:30:32 GMT -5
That was opinion. The title history is fact. Learn the difference please. Yes, and it's a fact the Big Gold Belt dates further back than WWE. The title looks like the one in WCW... But that's just the look of the title. It totally cut off its lineage with WCW though. If you ask HHH if the WHC is the same one that Arquette held then he'd tell you no Bank on it
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Post by Scree is SCIENCE! ENERGY! on Apr 4, 2006 16:30:51 GMT -5
Rey is a spot monkey Hell, I like spot monkeys but the fact is he is a spot monkey. That's not a fact that's an opinion. Please learn the difference.
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Post by babyfootball on Apr 4, 2006 16:31:14 GMT -5
They don't. Or there basically being stupid... I mean Jericho said he was the first person to make HBK tap and I clearly remember Bret Hart making him tap..... Remember when Teddy and Eric were trying to get Batista to go to there brands? Teddy basically said the WWe title had much more history and Eric couldn't fire back with anything.... Because the WHC only dates back to HHH Go look at the WWE website if you need further clarification No disrespect dude but that last little rant seemed off the point. I don't want to get into a huge debate about it but Rey Mysterio is over as hell and he was along time before Eddie died. The push did seem sudden after Eddie diead but who else were they going to push. They had to have Angle go to Smackdown just so they had some credible main eventers. Batista was injured, Eddie dead so the Creative team had no WHC program. So they built one and one that made sense using a superstar that was already close to being a main eventer and he was over with the fans and was pushing a great deal of merchandise. or, this.
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Post by breakingpoint on Apr 4, 2006 16:31:16 GMT -5
Rey is a spot monkey Hell, I like spot monkeys but the fact is he is a spot monkey. That's not a fact that's an opinion. Please learn the difference. Rey said he was a spot monkey in the Eddie dvd So it's a fact kiddo
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Post by babyfootball on Apr 4, 2006 16:31:43 GMT -5
I have seen his stuff and he seems like a spot monkey. Not as good as let's say Jack evans either Care to name some matches? I've been watching him since 1996, and I don't think that "spot monkey" is an accurate way to describe his style. That would be reserved for all the AAA signups that WCW brought in during their initial push of the Cruserweight division...there were a bunch. I always felt that Rey was FAR better at making his spots fit the match, rather than doing a plancha to the floor for the sake of the "ooh ahh" factor. Certainly, though, his work is different than it was 10 years ago, and I'll be the first to say that the WWE doesn't book the high end cruiser/flyers in the same compelling fashion that the WCW bookers did 10 years ago. and/or, this also!
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Post by Scree is SCIENCE! ENERGY! on Apr 4, 2006 16:33:56 GMT -5
That's not a fact that's an opinion. Please learn the difference. Rey said he was a spot monkey in the Eddie dvd So it's a fact kiddo Um, no your wrong. HHH can call himself the greatest wrestler of all time and it doesn't make it a fact.
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Post by Hakumental on Apr 4, 2006 16:35:16 GMT -5
Rey said he was a spot monkey in the Eddie dvd So it's a fact kiddo If Bret Hart ever said he was a mediocre technical wrestler, would that make him a mediocre technical wrestler and no one would ever be able to challenge that? I'm not sure a modest statement made about yourself determines which outside perspectives are valid.
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Post by breakingpoint on Apr 4, 2006 16:35:19 GMT -5
Rey said he was a spot monkey in the Eddie dvd So it's a fact kiddo Um, no your wrong. HHH can say he's the greatest wrestler of all time and it doesn't make it a fact. .... Someone tells you that they keep doing spotfests and you don't see that as the truth? That is WAY different then saying I'm the best ever in pro wrestling If you can't see the difference then that's ignorance.
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Post by breakingpoint on Apr 4, 2006 16:36:05 GMT -5
Rey said he was a spot monkey in the Eddie dvd So it's a fact kiddo If Bret Hart ever said he was a mediocre technical wrestler, would that make him a mediocre technical wrestler and no one would ever be able to challenge that? I'm not sure a modest statement made about yourself determines which outside perspectives are valid. Rey can look back at his matches and show how he had spotfests Bret can't go back and say he had mediocre technical matches because he didn't.... Please use common sense
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Post by babyfootball on Apr 4, 2006 16:36:06 GMT -5
Yes, and it's a fact the Big Gold Belt dates further back than WWE. The title looks like the one in WCW... But that's just the look of the title. It totally cut off its lineage with WCW though. If you ask HHH if the WHC is the same one that Arquette held then he'd tell you no Bank on it haha, i'm actually with you on this one dude. the current world heavyweight title is definitely NOT the old nwa belt. the same way that the wcw world title was not the nwa world title. the nwa world title is actually the one that jarrett holds right now. the wcw title's lineage is now part of the wwe title's lineage (which is also half wwf world title/wwwf world title/etc...). the belt that rey has was first held by hhh. not that belt lineages and whatnot actually matter anyway... this is pro wrestling! the first intercontinental champ won the belt in a fake tournament! a tournament which NEVER HAPPENED! at least with hhh he just was handed the title and they didn't lie about it!
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Post by tardis99 on Apr 4, 2006 16:36:34 GMT -5
Of course he's a damn spot monkey. Woo look it's Rey Mysterio flying around everywhere. I doubt he can tell a story or sell a feud. He's just a Spot Monkey who gets cheap pops.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Apr 4, 2006 16:36:41 GMT -5
The thing about the world championship that it is the WCW belt. Did you watch raw and they showed the this week in wrestling with Flair/Stemboad. That's the same belt. By the way, why didn't the original poster, name this the I hate Rey because he's short and Vince has instilled in my brain that no one under 6 ft should hold any belt but the damn near useless cruiserweight belt thread. Nah to many words I guess. Getting into discussions of title lineage is getting into dangerous territory. Remember, wrestling promotions have a nasty habit of writing their own version of history. I could begin to recite the reason why the current World Heavyweight Championship is NOT the same big gold belt that Flair/Steamboat et all wore, but it'd only confuse the issue. Let's just leave it that we COULD conceivably make a connection to the WCW World Championship, but to say its the same as the NWA Championship prior to 1993 is a complete falsehood due to litigation the NWA won in the late summer of 1993 against WCW.
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Post by babyfootball on Apr 4, 2006 16:38:06 GMT -5
If Bret Hart ever said he was a mediocre technical wrestler, would that make him a mediocre technical wrestler and no one would ever be able to challenge that? I'm not sure a modest statement made about yourself determines which outside perspectives are valid. Rey can look back at his matches and show how he had spotfests Bret can't go back and say he had mediocre technical matches because he didn't.... Please use common sense okay... so rey's had his share of spotfests in his day. (i'd argue he's also had his share of good/great matches which were NOT spotfests but that's beside the point) so again why are we arguing this, and why is it bad? what's this have to do with him being the weakest whc or not?
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Post by babyfootball on Apr 4, 2006 16:39:08 GMT -5
The thing about the world championship that it is the WCW belt. Did you watch raw and they showed the this week in wrestling with Flair/Stemboad. That's the same belt. By the way, why didn't the original poster, name this the I hate Rey because he's short and Vince has instilled in my brain that no one under 6 ft should hold any belt but the damn near useless cruiserweight belt thread. Nah to many words I guess. Getting into discussions of title lineage is getting into dangerous territory. Remember, wrestling promotions have a nasty habit of writing their own version of history. I could begin to recite the reason why the current World Heavyweight Championship is NOT the same big gold belt that Flair/Steamboat et all wore, but it'd only confuse the issue. Let's just leave it that we COULD conceivably make a connection to the WCW World Championship, but to say its the same as the NWA Championship prior to 1993 is a complete falsehood due to litigation the NWA won in the late summer of 1993 against WCW. 100% correct.
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Post by breakingpoint on Apr 4, 2006 16:39:34 GMT -5
Rey can look back at his matches and show how he had spotfests Bret can't go back and say he had mediocre technical matches because he didn't.... Please use common sense okay... so rey's had his share of spotfests in his day. (i'd argue he's also had his share of good/great matches which were NOT spotfests but that's beside the point) so again why are we arguing this, and why is it bad? what's this have to do with him being the weakest whc or not? It's because people are being nit picky about my posts and are trying to bash me because Rey is there hero and they can't stand that I am giving my opinion on him Plain and simple
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Post by tardis99 on Apr 4, 2006 16:40:32 GMT -5
Rey can look back at his matches and show how he had spotfests Bret can't go back and say he had mediocre technical matches because he didn't.... Please use common sense okay... so rey's had his share of spotfests in his day. (i'd argue he's also had his share of good/great matches which were NOT spotfests but that's beside the point) so again why are we arguing this, and why is it bad? what's this have to do with him being the weakest whc or not? So you don't think discussing his in-ring ability and performance is relevent to establishing whether or not he is going to make a good champion?
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Apr 4, 2006 16:41:06 GMT -5
The title looks like the one in WCW... But that's just the look of the title. It totally cut off its lineage with WCW though. If you ask HHH if the WHC is the same one that Arquette held then he'd tell you no Bank on it haha, i'm actually with you on this one dude. the current world heavyweight title is definitely NOT the old nwa belt. the same way that the wcw world title was not the nwa world title. the nwa world title is actually the one that jarrett holds right now. the wcw title's lineage is now part of the wwe title's lineage (which is also half wwf world title/wwwf world title/etc...). the belt that rey has was first held by hhh. not that belt lineages and whatnot actually matter anyway... this is pro wrestling! the first intercontinental champ won the belt in a fake tournament! a tournament which NEVER HAPPENED! at least with hhh he just was handed the title and they didn't lie about it! And for that matter, so was the first recognized WWWF Champ. Buddy Rogers was awarded the belt when the WWWF split from the NWA, much the same as Pat Patterson winning the first Intercontinental Championship in a fictional tourney in Brazil in 1979 (I think).
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