giffyjames
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Post by giffyjames on Aug 18, 2011 15:56:08 GMT -5
I agree that Boogeyman had a ton of charisma. I would NEVER give him a world title though. He improved in the ring over time, but he was no where near good enough to be put in main events. He was perfect for a comedy character. He was a fun, entertaining version of Papa Shango. It is correct that it was extremely stupid to put the title on David Arquette. You have Tony Schiavone and Vince Russo to thank for that one. WCW did produce two black WCW Champions for the record. I have already admitted that I think Simmons winning was a response to allegations of racism that were aimed at WCW at the time. Some people argue this also led to Booker T. winning (there was a lawsuit at the time accusing them of racism), but I think Russo and WCW felt Booker deserved it and giving him the title could help the company. I still maintain this point: WWE once made The Rock the face of the company. They named a PPV after him and named a TV show after him. He was everywhere and on everything. He shared this spot with Austin when Austin wasn't injured, but you can also say that Austin shared it with him. There were times when the Rock was THE MAN in WWE. khali was world champ with zero ring skill or charisma
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 18, 2011 16:09:10 GMT -5
I'd take R-Truth over Del Rio any day of the week in any case.
It's a C-o-n-spircy.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 18, 2011 16:10:33 GMT -5
I agree that Boogeyman had a ton of charisma. I would NEVER give him a world title though. He improved in the ring over time, but he was no where near good enough to be put in main events. He was perfect for a comedy character. He was a fun, entertaining version of Papa Shango. It is correct that it was extremely stupid to put the title on David Arquette. You have Tony Schiavone and Vince Russo to thank for that one. WCW did produce two black WCW Champions for the record. I have already admitted that I think Simmons winning was a response to allegations of racism that were aimed at WCW at the time. Some people argue this also led to Booker T. winning (there was a lawsuit at the time accusing them of racism), but I think Russo and WCW felt Booker deserved it and giving him the title could help the company. I still maintain this point: WWE once made The Rock the face of the company. They named a PPV after him and named a TV show after him. He was everywhere and on everything. He shared this spot with Austin when Austin wasn't injured, but you can also say that Austin shared it with him. There were times when the Rock was THE MAN in WWE. khali was world champ with zero ring skill or charisma Boogeyman was a joke character. Khali wasn't a joke character when he won, he was just the largest guy on the roster. It seems like you've decided that race is the only factor to consider or that is considered. It's not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 16:13:14 GMT -5
Shelton is a great performer, but mid card at best. His mic skills aren't the best.
Kofi could be a great champion if he was given the chance. The crowd loves him, he's a great performer, and could be that underdog champion.
Henry is a mid carder, as well as MVP. I was a big fan of MVP, but that was what he was best at.
Guys like Lashley and Johnson could have been champions, but things never worked out.
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Post by joey joe joe junior shabadoo on Aug 18, 2011 16:27:16 GMT -5
Kurt Angle is part black and multiple time wwe champion!
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nWoElite
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Post by nWoElite on Aug 18, 2011 18:06:52 GMT -5
i HATE when someone says "ok kid, sorry but u dont have "it" " and then someone white comes along with no personality, nothing that stands out about them and the title is thrown their direction numerous times. hell even DAVID ARQUETTE was a world champion which makes no f***ing sense Amen to this.
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nWoElite
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Post by nWoElite on Aug 18, 2011 18:11:41 GMT -5
And I wish people would stop with the whole "mic skills" crap. How many non black Champions with NO MIC skills have held titles?
Examples: Swagger, Big Show, 'Taker, etc, etc.
I've seen people biring up the other ethnicities that have had champions in WWE but even so, You've had more Latin heritage champs that black.
While I'm thinking about it, Shad Gaspar! What of him? Hell!! JTG is dying on Superstars, but should have SOME kind of mid-card push!
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 18, 2011 18:16:33 GMT -5
Kurt Angle is part black and multiple time wwe champion! No, Kurt Angle isn't a fan of the blacks. Quite the difference there, I assure you.
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Post by bitteroldman on Aug 18, 2011 18:17:32 GMT -5
I think the reason you haven't seen more black champions in WWE is because they cant swim. Hell, that argument makes as much sense as any of the others I've seen posted.
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giffyjames
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Post by giffyjames on Aug 18, 2011 18:19:49 GMT -5
khali was world champ with zero ring skill or charisma Boogeyman was a joke character. Khali wasn't a joke character when he won, he was just the largest guy on the roster. It seems like you've decided that race is the only factor to consider or that is considered. It's not. if you're a mod.......this is terrible of you to say. if the boogey man was a joke character, why did both JBL and booker t want to job to him clean? people have been giving the "injury" excuse as to why certain black wrestlers werent world champ......but that still leaves no reason why triple h was pushed to the moon when it was proven he was injury prone way back to about mania 11.
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Post by lewis1711 on Aug 18, 2011 18:33:38 GMT -5
Other than Sheamus and the Undertaker, have there been any other ginger champions?
That's the real conspiracy.
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Post by Error on Aug 18, 2011 18:37:27 GMT -5
Really, Taker and Big Show have no mic skills?
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Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 18, 2011 18:52:46 GMT -5
I agree that Boogeyman had a ton of charisma. I would NEVER give him a world title though. He improved in the ring over time, but he was no where near good enough to be put in main events. He was perfect for a comedy character. He was a fun, entertaining version of Papa Shango. It is correct that it was extremely stupid to put the title on David Arquette. You have Tony Schiavone and Vince Russo to thank for that one. WCW did produce two black WCW Champions for the record. I have already admitted that I think Simmons winning was a response to allegations of racism that were aimed at WCW at the time. Some people argue this also led to Booker T. winning (there was a lawsuit at the time accusing them of racism), but I think Russo and WCW felt Booker deserved it and giving him the title could help the company. I still maintain this point: WWE once made The Rock the face of the company. They named a PPV after him and named a TV show after him. He was everywhere and on everything. He shared this spot with Austin when Austin wasn't injured, but you can also say that Austin shared it with him. There were times when the Rock was THE MAN in WWE. khali was world champ with zero ring skill or charisma Great Khali was made champ when he was being portrayed as a serious heel giant. He had not yet been recast as the 'Punjami Playboy.' Consider any casual fan or new viewer sees the Great Khali. He is extremely limited in the ring, but he looks especially intimidating, especially to the average viewer and young fans. His look gives his a lot of credibility to many viewers. It's easy to suspend disbelief that a muscular giant could win a world championship.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 18, 2011 19:00:35 GMT -5
Boogeyman was a joke character. Khali wasn't a joke character when he won, he was just the largest guy on the roster. It seems like you've decided that race is the only factor to consider or that is considered. It's not. if you're a mod.......this is terrible of you to say. if the boogey man was a joke character, why did both JBL and booker t want to job to him clean? people have been giving the "injury" excuse as to why certain black wrestlers werent world champ......but that still leaves no reason why triple h was pushed to the moon when it was proven he was injury prone way back to about mania 11. Why would me being a mod or not make it terrible or not? (I'm not, by the way). And even than, what is so terrible about it? Me saying the a man who's gimmick was saying nursery rhymes and dumping worms down people's mouths was a joke gimmick? Or me saying that race wasn't the sole factor in determining championship contenders like you're making it? People have talked about Ahmed Johnson being injury prone, and quite frankly, he was. He had to vacate the IC title due to injuries. He was actually supposed to be in a world title match, but got injured. His career with the company was only 3 years long, and it's unfortunate, but yeah, injuries were one of reasons for it. Had he not gotten injured at really inopportune times, he might have been in line for a title run. And triple H was injury prone... when? Wrestlemania XI or Wrestlemania 2011? He wasn't with the company yet at Wrestlemania XI, and Wrestlemania 2011 is a bit too late to be complaining about it.
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Post by Trout Stratus on Aug 18, 2011 19:04:25 GMT -5
Kevin Nash once said it best to Jay Lethal, just sayin.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Aug 18, 2011 19:04:48 GMT -5
Why arent there more Japanese WWE Champs? Why no Australians? Why no French (I mean REALLY French, not Paul Levesque)? Where are the Jewish wrestlers? Japanese- Antonio Inoki was technically WWF, though its not recognized by the WWE. Australian - Not yet. French - Andre The Giant, he might've been WWF champion for 45 seconds, but his reign is officially recognized by the WWE. Jewish - Randy Savage(was Jewish on his mom side which according to Jewish law, would make him a Jew), and Bill Goldberg for the World Heavyweight Title.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 18, 2011 20:24:48 GMT -5
It's an industry thing. lol. Ron Simmons, Book and Rock, that's it, right? 2 1/2.
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Post by joey joe joe junior shabadoo on Aug 18, 2011 20:47:05 GMT -5
Just for shits and giggles allow me to list all the WWE and WWE Heavyweight Champions that have some noteworthy or unique heritage or nationality:
Antonio Inoki - Japanese Pedro Morales - Puerto Rican The Iron Sheik - Iranian Andre The Giant - French Randy Savage - Jewish Yokozuna - Samoan The Rock - half black half Samoan Kurt Angle - something like a quarter black Eddie Guerrero - Mexican heritage Batista - half Greek, half Filipino Sheamus - Irish Rey Mysterio - Mexican heritage Alberto Del Rio - Mexican
Goldberg - Jewish Booker T - Black The Great Khali - Indian
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Post by joey joe joe junior shabadoo on Aug 18, 2011 20:51:19 GMT -5
anyways the real biological injustice in professional wrestling is the disproportionate amount of men with long blonde hair, I mean in everyday life when do you ever see THAT many men with long blonde hair!
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Aug 18, 2011 20:59:37 GMT -5
There really is no big grand conspiracy. There aren't a ton of black pro-wrestlers as it is compared to white guys, so you have a smaller pool of talent to begin with, coupled with even less having that IT factor that a champ should have. The ones that have had it and deserved it, got the belt. I mean face facts and look at the current roster. How many black guys are on it that would make good champions? Just because white guys have had it put on them before they were ready doesn't mean the belts should be devalued even more by putting them on black guys that aren't ready for it to make it even.
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