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Post by sbia on Aug 16, 2011 18:02:46 GMT -5
I'm not saying a black guy should win the top title because of his race but it
seems like black guys never win the WWE or World titles even if they are over,can talk and charismatic.
The ECW title was a 2nd rate championship that just happened to be the default top title on the C show so don't even mention guys like Lashley,Zeke and Henry winning World Titles.
The only exception is Rock(Samoan/black) and Booker T.
Rock was super over,extremely charismatic and great talker.They had to
put him in the main event.
Booker T got one World Title reign as "King Booker" but Wrestlemania 19
was a perfect time for him to win it.
I don't think anyone can say that ALL black wrestlers they've hired of the years aren't good enough to be WWE Champion.
They even gave Swagger a World Title reign.He's better than guys like MVP,
Burke and Truth overall?
They forced Del Rio,JBL and Sheamus on fans so it can't be because black guys don't get over enough.
People say Lashley would've won it if he never left but who knows.
I'm not accusing the WWE of being racist because they booked a giant
Indian as World Champion and now a Mexican is WWE Champion but
it seems like for some reason black guys never win it.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 16, 2011 18:04:48 GMT -5
Because people like that don't win championships.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 18:16:25 GMT -5
I think there have been guys who were serious prospects who never panned out like WWE was hoping for like Ahmed Johnson and Bobby Lashley. I think WWE had hoped to groom them to be WWE Champions.
I honestly don't think there is any racism in WWE. WWE had no problem letting The Rock be basically the face of the company for part of the Attitude Era.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 16, 2011 18:20:34 GMT -5
For starters there is a lot more white guys in the WWE than black guys, so that's a reason right there.
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Post by nWoElite on Aug 16, 2011 18:22:58 GMT -5
I think there have been guys who were serious prospects who never panned out like WWE was hoping for like Ahmed Johnson and Bobby Lashley. I think WWE had hoped to groom them to be WWE Champions. I honestly don't think there is any racism in WWE. WWE had no problem letting The Rock be basically the face of the company for part of the Attitude Era. Dude, you just named ONE wrestler when there were PLENTY who could have been champion. As for Booker T he ended up being WORLD Champ and not WWE champ. Why not give him a WWE tittle reign? Ahmed and Bobby werent the only black wrestlers they've had so why just focus on them? What about Shelton? Hell what about Truth right now?! I hate to play the race card here, but the evidence is obvious... |
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Post by Haulk on Aug 16, 2011 18:24:12 GMT -5
Because of the level of Black competitors in WWE historically.
R Truth on the other hand, I see him exploding into the main event when the fans finally see things his way, I could practically feel it last night although Jomo won back a lot of fans with his outside the ring style.
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Post by Tim on Aug 16, 2011 18:25:06 GMT -5
I wanna see Kofi win the big one at some point within the next year.
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Post by salTy on Aug 16, 2011 18:25:45 GMT -5
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Post by nWoElite on Aug 16, 2011 18:26:45 GMT -5
Because of the level of Black competitors in WWE historically. So Mark Henry's not good enough? MVP? |
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Post by BigWill on Aug 16, 2011 18:30:14 GMT -5
Because of the level of Black competitors in WWE historically. So Mark Henry's not good enough? MVP? No and no. And this is comnig from a black guy. |
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Post by sbia on Aug 16, 2011 18:34:37 GMT -5
So Mark Henry's not good enough? MVP? No and no. And this is comnig from a black guy. What makes them not good enough in your opinion? |
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Post by nWoElite on Aug 16, 2011 18:36:03 GMT -5
So Mark Henry's not good enough? MVP? No and no. And this is comnig from a black guy. I'm black, so whats your point? Both of those could have easily been pushed to Main event status. Just like they pushed Sheamus and JBL, or Reinvinted Cena and Edge. Hell they experimented with JoMo for a bit, and ever Jack Thwagger! |
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Aug 16, 2011 18:40:18 GMT -5
I'd hazard to say that there is racism to a degree in WWE and pro-wrestling in general.
There always has been and there always will be.
Look at who own the companies that have been largely successful thus far and consider what generation they came out of. Vince, Ted, Heyman, Jarretts/Carter....it goes on and on.
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Post by BigWill on Aug 16, 2011 18:40:27 GMT -5
No and no. And this is comnig from a black guy. What makes them not good enough in your opinion? I liked MVP well enough, just never saw him as more than a midcarder. Can't really seem to place why. And on Mark Henry, the guy can hardly move around, let alone put on a great match. And while his character has been great lately, I still don't think he's good enough to be a constant main eventer. But I do think WWE will give him the title eventually as sort of a thank you reign. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 18:41:00 GMT -5
I think there have been guys who were serious prospects who never panned out like WWE was hoping for like Ahmed Johnson and Bobby Lashley. I think WWE had hoped to groom them to be WWE Champions. I honestly don't think there is any racism in WWE. WWE had no problem letting The Rock be basically the face of the company for part of the Attitude Era. Dude, you just named ONE wrestler when there were PLENTY who could have been champion. As for Booker T he ended up being WORLD Champ and not WWE champ. Why not give him a WWE tittle reign? Ahmed and Bobby werent the only black wrestlers they've had so why just focus on them? What about Shelton? Hell what about Truth right now?! I hate to play the race card here, but the evidence is obvious... I named one wrestler because there has only been one black wrestler to win the WWE Championship. This man happened to be the face of the company for some of the Attitude Era. He had a TV show named after one of his catchphrases, a PPV named after him, and an endless array of merchandise. Booker T. was partly a victim of how WWE wanted to book the Invasion to have its WWE talent triumph over the WCW and ECW guys. The Rock dominated Booker T. Booker T. should have been treated like the hottest free agent and the crown jewel of the WCW franchise. Instead, WWE made Stone Cold the leader of the Alliance and Booker never realistically triumphed over the established WWE names. In this way, Booker started off on the wrong foot. WWE ended up getting the best use out of Booker with a slightly-comic character with his exaggerated stares, the spinarooni, and the 5-times hand shaking, and of course with the team with Goldust. When WWE finally decided to give him the world title, he was on the show with the World Heavyweight Championship. When Booker feuded with Triple H it was also over the World Heavyweight Championship. While there has only been one black WWE Champion, there has also been a Samoan, a Puerto Rican, and three wrestlers with Mexican heritage. Other than the one black World Heavyweight Champion, there has also been an Indian and a champion of Mexican heritage. My main point is that I can't call WWE racist on this issue based on how much they were willing to push and promote the Rock. |
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Post by molson5 on Aug 16, 2011 18:43:29 GMT -5
I think there have been guys who were serious prospects who never panned out like WWE was hoping for like Ahmed Johnson and Bobby Lashley. I think WWE had hoped to groom them to be WWE Champions. I honestly don't think there is any racism in WWE. WWE had no problem letting The Rock be basically the face of the company for part of the Attitude Era. Dude, you just named ONE wrestler when there were PLENTY who could have been champion. Well, a lot of guys from every race COULD have been world champion and weren't, I'm not sure what that proves. It was definitely an issue in territories across the U.S. as late as the 80s, some promoters were personally racist, some didn't think a black champion would draw, and there was also a smaller pool of big-name black wrestlers to draw from since blacks had so many obstacles just getting to that main event level. Today though, the WWE would put the belts on anyone who they thought would make money for them. When you're complaining that Booker T didn't win BOTH world titles you're reaching. Mark Henry could have gotten there and still might, I don't think MVP was every going to win a world title with that gimmick - it was a little too silly, Shelton never connected with the crowd in a main event kind of way. If anything they overpushed Lashely and Ahmed Johnson, perhaps desperate to get a bigger black audience (like they're doing now with Mistico to draw the Mexican audience). |
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Post by jrcz on Aug 16, 2011 18:44:29 GMT -5
It's because of Kurt Angle
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Aug 16, 2011 18:46:19 GMT -5
How many black guys have been over enough to warrant it? I saw Shelton Benjamin in this thread... I mean, c'mon... he was good for some crazy spots in matches, but was ass on the mic. MVP was a missed opportunity when he was hot, and as said before guys like Ahmed Johnson and Bobby Lashley seemed to be groomed for it and didn't pan out. Personally I think if they'd just get behind the guy and push him, Kofi Kingston could do it. Good in the ring, charismatic, and is pretty solid on the mic once h dropped the fake ass Jamaican thing.
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Post by Haulk on Aug 16, 2011 18:48:46 GMT -5
No and no. And this is comnig from a black guy. I'm black, so whats your point? Both of those could have easily been pushed to Main event status. Just like they pushed Sheamus and JBL, or Reinvinted Cena and Edge. Hell they experimented with JoMo for a bit, and ever Jack Thwagger! Thwagger is the perfect analogy to MVP. Both do not have "it" |
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Post by jrcz on Aug 16, 2011 18:52:48 GMT -5
I'm black, so whats your point? Both of those could have easily been pushed to Main event status. Just like they pushed Sheamus and JBL, or Reinvinted Cena and Edge. Hell they experimented with JoMo for a bit, and ever Jack Thwagger! Thwagger is the perfect analogy to MVP. Both do not have "it" They both don't have their wieners? |
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