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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 19:41:39 GMT -5
You do make a good point about Rock leaving and the smart New York fans cheering the heel over the babyface leaving to make another film. All this aside, I think Lesnar deserved the Goldberg push. When you get a prodigy like that, I think you can shoot him straight to the top because prospects like Lesnar don't come along often. The thing about the Goldberg push...it worked for Goldberg. It worked for Lesnar. That's a great way to book the right guy. It won't work with guys who just don't have the talent, look, or charisma to get really over (ahem..Crimson in TNA).
It is true that WWE has only booked two black men to win world titles (non-ECW). Basically every other title has had plenty of black champs, though I guess the point of this thread is that those titles don't mean as much. I do think Rock and Booker have been the most deserving to win these titles. I would like to see another black world champ, but only when he has deserved it and not because he is black. A lot of fans of WCW accused Simmons and Booker of being made champion due to accusations of racisms/lawsuits. I don't agree with Booker T, but I think there is some truth to the accusations during the Ron Simmons reign.
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Post by giffyjames on Aug 16, 2011 19:54:36 GMT -5
I think there have been guys who were serious prospects who never panned out like WWE was hoping for like Ahmed Johnson and Bobby Lashley. I think WWE had hoped to groom them to be WWE Champions. I honestly don't think there is any racism in WWE. WWE had no problem letting The Rock be basically the face of the company for part of the Attitude Era. Dude, you just named ONE wrestler when there were PLENTY who could have been champion. As for Booker T he ended up being WORLD Champ and not WWE champ. Why not give him a WWE tittle reign? Ahmed and Bobby werent the only black wrestlers they've had so why just focus on them? What about Shelton? Hell what about Truth right now?! I hate to play the race card here, but the evidence is obvious... cant argue with that.
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Post by giffyjames on Aug 16, 2011 19:57:20 GMT -5
I could see Mark Henry winning one of the world titles, though his age might be something of a problem for him, bob backlund says hello
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Post by kyromax on Aug 16, 2011 19:58:55 GMT -5
MVP and "The Pope" both had the talent to become world champions, WWE simply just missed the ball with them.
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Post by giffyjames on Aug 16, 2011 20:01:44 GMT -5
MVP and "The Pope" both had the talent to become world champions, WWE simply just missed the ball with them. instead big show was given another reign, jomo got one, christian got one and then undertaker was given a few while mvp was there.....and taker was taking months off at a time leading to mania. henry got the ecw title.....but u see what had to happen for that to get set into motion.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 20:04:24 GMT -5
I could see Mark Henry winning one of the world titles, though his age might be something of a problem for him, bob backlund says hello You shouldn't have stopped my quote at the comma...I am very aware that WWE has let some guys older than Mark Henry win the world title. I also said it COULD be a problem as WWE at times does tend to prefer youth. This seems like one of those time. There's Bob Backlund, Sgt. Slaughter, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Vince McMahon, etc. Mark is 40, but they are giving him a strong push. I said I could see him winning one of the world titles. I tried to give a possible reason why he might not. I think WWE doesn't normally want make a 40 year-old a first-time world champion, but Mark is a long-term investment for the company and is getting over. I could see him winning one of the two world titles, just like I said in the post you quoted.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 16, 2011 20:21:45 GMT -5
Someone crunch the numbers - how does the percentage of black champions and amount of black wrestlers compare to the percentage of black people in the general population?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 20:23:58 GMT -5
I'm not accusing the WWE of being racist because they booked a giant Indian as World Champion and now a Mexican is WWE Champion but it seems like for some reason black guys never win it.
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Post by Krazee on Aug 16, 2011 20:29:18 GMT -5
Vince Mcmahon doesn't care about black people /Kanye West
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 20:30:08 GMT -5
I'm not accusing the WWE of being racist because they booked a giant Indian as World Champion and now a Mexican is WWE Champion but it seems like for some reason black guys never win it. I'm not calling Hayes a racist, nor will I defend him, but I must say... GOOD GOD! He looks like s*** in that picture!
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 16, 2011 20:31:08 GMT -5
Someone crunch the numbers - how does the percentage of black champions and amount of black wrestlers compare to the percentage of black people in the general population? Assuming my count is right, there have been 50 different wrestlers that have held the WHC and/or WWE belts. Two of them were black, which makes 4 percent. According to the US Census Bureau, 12.6 percent of the population in the US is black.
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Post by WhiteFu on Aug 16, 2011 20:32:46 GMT -5
I think D'lo could have possibly made it if the Droz accident didn't kill all of his momentum.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 16, 2011 20:34:29 GMT -5
For starters there is a lot more white guys in the WWE than black guys, so that's a reason right there. Truth be told, there are a lot more white guys in professional wrestling than black guys. Hell, before Lucha Libre and Puroresu became as influential as they are in American wrestling, during the territorial days, ethnic wrestlers as a whole were few and far in between. As far as why it's a problem now, in 2011, I'm remiss for a reason. Benjamin was an amazing technical wonder and a daredevil when it came to high spots. I don't believe mic skills held him back, because Lesnar and Swagger were never silver tongues. On the other hand, Pope was an amazing talker and wasn't bad in the ring, yet he can't seem to catch a break in TNA, after leaving the WWE because he couldn't catch a break there! I wish I had an answer, but I don't. It's not race, not as far as I can tell; just since the turn of the century, Mysterio, Del Rio, Eddie Guerrero, and Batista have held the WWE championship, the WWE's gold standard. Prior to that, it was held by The Rock, Yokozuna, and other people of color. At the same time, however, Booker T, a former five time WCW champion, never held the WWE title; neither did Ricky Steamboat, as much as one could say he was owed it. I have no clue whatsoever.
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 16, 2011 20:38:37 GMT -5
Because people like that don't win championships. Good lord, this is not getting no-sold Bravo sir, bravo
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Aug 16, 2011 20:38:48 GMT -5
You know, people like to call Hayes a racist... despite the fact his quote in question was "I'm more of a n***** then he is" isn't even all that racist. Wasn't be basically saying Mark Henry was super white washed? I never heard the context of the quote, but it sounded like a joke to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 20:42:41 GMT -5
Someone crunch the numbers - how does the percentage of black champions and amount of black wrestlers compare to the percentage of black people in the general population? Assuming my count is right, there have been 50 different wrestlers that have held the WHC and/or WWE belts. Two of them were black, which makes 4 percent. According to the US Census Bureau, 12.6 percent of the population in the US is black. But what percentage of PRO WRESTLERS are/were black? Comparing the general population means nothing. And even black wrestlers are statistically underrepresented as champions, all you've done is prove correlation. To be racism, you have to demonstrate that they haven't been champions specifically because they're black.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 20:43:33 GMT -5
You know, people like to call Hayes a racist... despite the fact his quote in question was "I'm more of a n***** then he is" isn't even all that racist. Wasn't be basically saying Mark Henry was super white washed? I never heard the context of the quote, but it sounded like a joke to me. That was kind of my point.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Aug 16, 2011 20:45:43 GMT -5
You know, people like to call Hayes a racist... despite the fact his quote in question was "I'm more of a n***** then he is" isn't even all that racist. Wasn't be basically saying Mark Henry was super white washed? I never heard the context of the quote, but it sounded like a joke to me. That was kind of my point. Ha ok. I meant that in a general sense though, like sometimes it seems like people think he's actually super racist.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 20:46:26 GMT -5
You know, people like to call Hayes a racist... despite the fact his quote in question was "I'm more of a n***** then he is" isn't even all that racist. Wasn't be basically saying Mark Henry was super white washed? I never heard the context of the quote, but it sounded like a joke to me. I don't know the context either, but that could be a racist comment in certain contexts. Some black people get called "white" if they talk, dress, or act a certain way. I think there's a degree of racism to this kind of joke. I don't know if that's what Hayes was saying.
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Post by britishbulldog on Aug 16, 2011 20:46:53 GMT -5
I think JYD could have been champ but with Hogan there it wasn't going to happen.
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