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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 18:53:52 GMT -5
I could see Mark Henry winning one of the world titles, though his age might be something of a problem for him, though traditionally speaking he wouldn't be near the oldest to win a world title in WWE.
I can't see Kofi as a world champ. Maybe he will change my mind over time. R-Truth? Maybe. I loved his initial promos as heel R-Truth. I could still see him winning one of the world titles. Ezekiel Jackson? I hope not. I think he's a horrendous promo and I've never enjoyed an Ezekiel Jackson match. Otunga? No. Darren Young? No. Percy Watson? No. Make-It-a-Win NXT Guy? No.
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Post by S-Chrome on Aug 16, 2011 18:54:58 GMT -5
Since I've seen this thread before, I'll just say that since Dwayne Johnson is half-black and half-samoan, it's implied that he doesn't count, correct?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 18:56:02 GMT -5
Since I've seen this thread before, I'll just say that since Dwayne Johnson is half-black and half-samoan, it's implied that he doesn't count, correct? Incorrect. Just like Halle Berry is considered the first black actress to win Best Actress and Barack Obama is considered the first black U.S. President.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 16, 2011 19:08:39 GMT -5
Well, it simple fact that there hasn't been one who has had the it factor to be the guy. Not just in the WWE but wrestling period. Look at the NWA/WCW Two Black champions in company history. One being Booker T who was World champion in the WWE. Lets look at the talent and see why.
Ahmed Johnson: He was pushed big when he got there but he was injury prone and can not cut a promo to save his life. Which mic skill is a huge thing in the WWE. You have to be at less average or have someone to talk for you like Khali did. Who he was champion because his size. But that a whole different story.
Shelton Benjermin: Can't talk that well. Was never Main Event over. You could tell that the WWE tried too when he beat HHH. But did he ever he that over? Plus he never had a real character. He was just the guy who was very athletic. He basicly was the black verison of what John Morrison is now.
R-Truth: Until now. Could you ever taken R-Truth Seriously? If he came in as the guy that TNA had when he was heel like more like now. Ok, I could see him as champion. Not the guy who dancing around singing a bad rap song. R-truth down fall is really two many are more over then his is and the WWE is not wanting to push anybody new. It's still all about Cena and Orton. Punk only got the belt because he was to over not too be.
Lashley: If he stayed he maybe have gotten it. But the guy lacked in mic skills. He was never that over no matter how much the WWE tried to make him be. He was basicly all look. But he had nothing that made the fans get behind him. He was ok at best in the ring.
Booker T: He never been "WWE Champion" because he was never in alway close to being the guy. He came in as WCW champion. How could he been WWE champion with Austin as champion coming in and then on your side? Once the WCW invasion ended you had two champions Austin and Jericho. Who then become one. Booker T was no where in a spot to be champion between then and WM. With the big HHH return and Hogan coming back. Then they split the roster. By the time he moved up the later. The WWE title was Smackdown only and he was on Raw.
Then it all blah, blah about being World Champion in 03 we all know the story. Which to me it was more because they had Goldberg coming in. Now Booker's only chance could been winning 04 rumble to get a shot. Later that year he goes to Smackdown with the WWE title but his heel run and with JBL a heel champion. Where did it fit? He could been champion in the fall when he faced JBL in Surivor Series. But in 05 he does it.
Mark Henry: When was he ever over enough to be the guy? He lacked in ring for years. Was he ever a guy who had that it factor? NO. The first time he was really a threat was 06 but I see why the WWE said no. Angle couldn't even had an ok match with him. Fans didn't care about the match itself. So why make him champion? Then once he started to get over he got hurt.
Farrooq: He was the other NWA/WCW champion. Came in with a bad gimmick. The NOD he got over and was pushed. Why not then? Who knows. I think it was the plan for Bret to be champion as the mega heel. Which we know what happened then. Then because Austin was mega over. D-X got more over. THe Rock started to outshine him in the nation. He had no place anymore.
The APA likely saved him for being futured indeavered. By then he was way off the ME sence with Taker, Austin, HHH, Rock, and Foley. APA was great but when that ran he was going against age.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Aug 16, 2011 19:11:45 GMT -5
So I hear this argument quite a lot, trouble is there are not many examples of wrestlers who SHOULD have been Champions.
Standout performers like The Rock & Booker T deservedly won the gold. Lashley was surely been groomed for the belt before he took off for a new career. But I cant actually think of any real credible candidates who were overlooked for the title.
Throwing accusations that WWE is racist for not having (names brought up in this thread) Shelton Benjamin/Kofi Kingston/MVP/R-Truth as Champion, come on really.
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Post by hassanchop on Aug 16, 2011 19:12:17 GMT -5
I can see Kofi, Henry or Truth winning the champ sometime in the near future. I'm not accusing the WWE of being racist because they booked a giant Indian as World Champion and now a Mexican is WWE Champion but it seems like for some reason black guys never win it. They also let a Samoan(Yokozuna) and a Filipino(Batista) be champion as well. And the previous holders were also Mexican(Mysterio, Guerrero)
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Post by sbia on Aug 16, 2011 19:13:07 GMT -5
How many black guys have been over enough to warrant it? Henry right now. Truth right now. Del Rio is WWE Champion and he's just NOW getting over. They forced Lesnar,JBL and Sheamus until they got over.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 16, 2011 19:13:12 GMT -5
I do think there was some racism in the beginning, dating back to the territorial days. I think that's why we largely had to wait until the attitude era to get one.
Since then, there have been people that they've obviously seen something in, but for one reason or another never quite made it far. Others that came in didn't have the whole package, and there are some that I think the ball was dropped on.
Mark Henry I could see getting a "thank you" reign before he retires, but I don't think he's someone you want as the face of the company or of a brand.
Lashley left too soon for it
Ahmed Johnson got hurt
MVP I think was a mix of ball dropping and the fact that, according to some stories, he had a hard time getting into some countries due to his criminal past
Shelton - Never developed the mic skills, for all his athleticism in the ring.
On the roster right now, there are 3 people to look at. R-Truth, Kofi and Ezekiel Jackson. The latter I could see getting a Khali type reign with the WHC. The two former, it wouldn't surprise me either way. they seem to be slowly elevating R-Truth. Kofi is over enough that I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but his style is also such that it's usually harder to get into the ME without a lot of name value like Mysterio and Hardy.
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Post by jrcz on Aug 16, 2011 19:13:27 GMT -5
I don't remember any Asian champions
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Post by mo on Aug 16, 2011 19:13:37 GMT -5
I always felt MVP could have gotten Swagger's out of nowhere reign, I bet he could have done more with it too.
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Post by hassanchop on Aug 16, 2011 19:14:11 GMT -5
I don't remember any Asian champions The Great Khali and Batista are technically Asian.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 19:14:26 GMT -5
I can see Kofi, Henry or Truth winning the champ sometime in the near future. I'm not accusing the WWE of being racist because they booked a giant Indian as World Champion and now a Mexican is WWE Champion but it seems like for some reason black guys never win it. They also let a Samoan(Yokozuna) and a Filipino(Batista) be champs as well. And the previous holders were also Mexican(Mysterio, Guerrero) One of the earliest champions was Puerto Rican. According to my math that's four WWE Champions of Latino heritage.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 16, 2011 19:14:59 GMT -5
I actually can't think of a single black guy outside of Booker and the Rock who I would have given the title to.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 19:16:26 GMT -5
I don't remember any Asian champions The Great Khali and Batista are technically Asian. Great Khali is clearly, unambiguously Asian...born in India.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2011 19:19:03 GMT -5
How many black guys have been over enough to warrant it? Henry right now. Truth right now. Del Rio is WWE Champion and he's just NOW getting over. They forced Lesnar,JBL and Sheamus until they got over. I agree that JBL and Sheamus were pretty-much forced on us. It worked though, especially for JBL and worked better for Sheamus's second reign. I don't think they forced Lesnar. Lesnar was a freak of nature with mad power and some technical wrestling skill. He was so credible and over that he was cheered over The Rock at SummerSlam the night he won the WWE Championship. Brock was just a special case.
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Post by sbia on Aug 16, 2011 19:22:59 GMT -5
They have booked white guys as champion that aren't as good overall as Steve Austin but yet all black wrestlers have to have Rock like charisma and be as over as him to become WWE Champion?
That's not fair at all.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 16, 2011 19:25:05 GMT -5
They have booked white guys as champion that aren't as good overall as Steve Austin but yet all black wrestlers have to have Rock like charisma and be as over as him to become WWE Champion? That's not fair at all. Wow... is that what you're getting out of this? No one said that.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Aug 16, 2011 19:27:13 GMT -5
I don't remember any Asian champions Well, technically Antonio Inoki has been WWF champion, it just never gets recognized. In Kayfabe... Yokozuna I guess. Granted they never seemed to settle on what he was, as I've seen him billed as from Polynesia.
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Post by sbia on Aug 16, 2011 19:30:41 GMT -5
Henry right now. Truth right now. Del Rio is WWE Champion and he's just NOW getting over. They forced Lesnar,JBL and Sheamus until they got over. I agree that JBL and Sheamus were pretty-much forced on us. It worked though, especially for JBL and worked better for Sheamus's second reign. I don't think they forced Lesnar. Lesnar was a freak of nature with mad power and some technical wrestling skill. He was so credible and over that he was cheered over The Rock at SummerSlam the night he won the WWE Championship. Brock was just a special case. Lesnar was forced too.I'm not denying he was a good wrestler but it's the truth. Before he started working with guys like Hogan and Rock he was getting "Goldberg" chants.The crowd was DEAD when he wrestled RVD at King of the Ring. The "smarky" New Yorkers knew Rock was leaving again so they decided to act cool and decided to boo him and cheer Lesnar. Tommy Dreamer probably would've gotten cheers too that night. Summerslam was the biggest reaction Lesnar got up to that point and Rock leaving contributed to it. I'm not gonna deny Lesnar had fans at Summerslam though.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 16, 2011 19:37:17 GMT -5
It should be said, about Booker T, that he wasn't made a World Champion by WWE; he was already a five-time (five-time, five-time, five-time, five-time ) World Heavyweight Champion in WCW. It was no huge reach for him to be World Champion, and it still took them about six years to put the strap on him.
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