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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 14, 2011 1:07:51 GMT -5
So I've been looking at plenty of people's Summerslam predictions and practically all of them are saying that Beth is going to destroy Kelly and win the Diva's Title. Sure sure everyone's looking for a change in the diva's division, but having Kelly job this quickly is an awful idea and here's why:
1. There's no real build to this feud. Beth just said "I hate divas like you" and that's the feud pretty much. She wants to take over and change the diva's division, but shouldn't Beth go on a rampage for weeks to show her dominance? I get the lack of divas but bring in jobbers or something for her to squash then.
2. Beth having the title is counter-productive. Beth is supposed to be the dominating diva who's going to crush all of the other ones in her path. So what happens when Beth gets the title? Who the hell is going to stand in her path? Kelly Kelly again? That doesn't sound probable. Natalya's with her and Layla's not back for months.
But the next point is probably the biggest one
3. Beth crushing Kelly on Sunday would mean that her and Natalya destroyed ALL of the face divas IN ONE SINGLE WEEK. There are only four face divas in the WWE right now. They are Kelly Kelly, Eve, AJ, and Kaitlyn. Let's summarize what these divas did since Monday:
Monday: Eve loses to Beth Phoenix, doesn't really look that great in it. Friday: AJ and Kaitlyn get the crap kicked out of them by Beth and Natalya. Sunday: Kelly faces Beth.
Beth beating Kelly would leave Phoenix with nothing to do, especially since they just paired her up with Natalya. What is she supposed to do if she beats Kelly? Even if people aren't fans of Kelly, she at least has credibility in terms of her spot right now since she's the champion and popular with the live crowds. If she jobs, she loses all of that credibility and then there's nothing left. Then Beth would be Diva's Champion beating up people she's already beaten up, it's boring.
So what do I think should happen? Let Kelly roll up Phoenix and surprise her with a pin, then have Beth beat her up after the match. That way Kelly still keeps the title but Beth is the one pretty much put over. Then you can do stuff with Eve/Kelly vs Beth/Natalya and later on give Beth the title. Though part of me fears that Beth getting the title was one of the perks a certain someone held out for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 1:09:19 GMT -5
I'm pretty apathetic, but I'd say have Beth snap and just murder Kelly to the point of being DQed. And if you want to drag things out, could have a no-DQ match at Night of Champions where Kelly wins with help from the other faces or something.
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Post by s l i k on Aug 14, 2011 1:55:04 GMT -5
Has everyone forgotten Aksana?
She has to be a face. You can't hate her.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 14, 2011 2:09:34 GMT -5
Has everyone forgotten Aksana? She has to be a face. You can't hate her. Really, because she was the only NXT Diva I wouldn't have missed if they didn't call her up. I don't know, maybe I'm the exception that proves the rule or something...
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Post by Totorob101 on Aug 14, 2011 4:55:03 GMT -5
Theres no real route to go,if Kelly wins,then Beth looks pretty bad in that she cant beat probably the weakest of all the divas in the company.If Beth wins,theres no faces for her to face,she and Natayla crushed Aj and Kaitlyn on Smackdown,she crushed eve on Raw,and Kelly Kelly.I think it might end up a DQ as said before,keeps Kelly with the title without Beth having to job to her,i can see this feud lasting a few months or so.
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Post by Prince Petty on Aug 14, 2011 5:21:21 GMT -5
They need to somehow screw Beth out of winning, without making Kelly look like a heel.
I'm not sure how they can manage that, because having Eve interfere won't really work too well. Not if Natalya's around to stop her. Perhaps they might have Eve, AJ and Kaitlyn all get involved, and it ends in a no contest. Set the DoD (crappy name) against all the face divas, and set up a longer term angle, with the weaker 'pretty princesses' using strength in numbers to keep just out of reach of Beth and Natalya.
But perhaps they just won't put that much thought into a divas angle.
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Post by e1987p on Aug 14, 2011 8:26:43 GMT -5
I'm pretty apathetic, but I'd say have Beth snap and just murder Kelly to the point of being DQed. And if you want to drag things out, could have a no-DQ match at Night of Champions where Kelly wins with help from the other faces or something. From Summerslam to Night of Champions there are 5 weeks,so keep the title to kelly after that will kill Beth situation. And make Beth lose at Night of Champions in her hometown in that way?
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Post by gimpocommando on Aug 14, 2011 8:40:29 GMT -5
The biggest problem with this stable of Beth and Natalia is that the Diva division is so unprepared to have an actual wrestling feud with them, that you're making the audience suspend way too much disbelief to make it work. If Beth sells even one of Kelly's terrible moves, you know its bullshit, that's how I felt when I saw Beth sell that horrific drop kick attempt by Eve.
I say keep the belt on Kelly, make her look like the piece of garbage she is by beating her down into nothing, get DQ'd, have the other diva's try to save her, and then beat them up, too. Kharma had a supernatural trance on them that made them fall apart, these two will just muscle them down. Really the only person to fight these two is Kharma, so let them use what they can out of these models to make something viable out of that potential feud.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 8:47:02 GMT -5
I've been raising this point about Beth being too strong for months, and now with two of the three/four who could've credibly feuded with her both gone from the company, this problem is much bigger than it was. I have literally no idea how they're supposed to direct the division now, because they have too large a gap between wrestlers and non-wrestlers with their "median" peformers gone. Who can credibly feud with Beth, Kharma or Natalya besides those three? And three a division does not make.
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Post by gimpocommando on Aug 14, 2011 8:54:58 GMT -5
I've been raising this point about Beth being too strong for months, and now with two of the three/four who could've credibly feuded with her both gone from the company, this problem is much bigger than it was. I have literally no idea how they're supposed to direct the division now, because they have too large a gap between wrestlers and non-wrestlers with their "median" peformers gone. Who can credibly feud with Beth, Kharma or Natalya besides those three? And three a division does not make. Is Alicia Fox still in the WWE? I haven't seen her in a while. Maybe they can turn her face and have her feud with one of them.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 14, 2011 9:03:56 GMT -5
I've been raising this point about Beth being too strong for months, and now with two of the three/four who could've credibly feuded with her both gone from the company, this problem is much bigger than it was. I have literally no idea how they're supposed to direct the division now, because they have too large a gap between wrestlers and non-wrestlers with their "median" peformers gone. Who can credibly feud with Beth, Kharma or Natalya besides those three? And three a division does not make. Is Alicia Fox still in the WWE? I haven't seen her in a while. Maybe they can turn her face and have her feud with one of them. She's still there, but she's been relegated to Superstars. And as far as feuding with one of them, she basically already was feuding with Natalya before Nattie turned heel. She also has more pinfall victories over Nattie than Kelly Kelly or Eve. Make of that what you will.
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Post by smoot on Aug 14, 2011 9:12:51 GMT -5
Going to bad movie metaphors here: They could do a Rocky III. That is, the competent-enough yet complacent face gets stomped by the extremely strong heel, retrains, gets prepared and then goes for a comeback match against that heel.
Aw, who am I kidding, they're not going to have Kelly Kelly suddenly become badass. There are others in the division who could pull it off much more credibly. And they could always turn, say, Tamina face.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 9:14:16 GMT -5
Going to bad movie metaphors here: They could do a Rocky III. That is, the competent-enough yet complacent face gets stomped by the extremely strong heel, retrains, gets prepared and then goes for a comeback match against that heel. Aw, who am I kidding, they're not going to have Kelly Kelly suddenly become badass. I'm not sure if Kelly changing her theme song to Eye of the Tiger would be the best or worst thing ever.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Aug 14, 2011 9:15:56 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement with the OP.
There's also the bit from a story standpoint in which on Monday the announcers flat out stated that Kelly has zero chance on winning
Honestly, I'm predicting Beth will dominate most of the match, only for Kelly to get a fluke win countering the Glam Slam with a victory roll (something I can't recall being done before, but always wanted to see) possibly after a run in/distraction from AJ and Kaitlyn.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 14, 2011 9:21:08 GMT -5
The biggest problem with this stable of Beth and Natalia is that the Diva division is so unprepared to have an actual wrestling feud with them, that you're making the audience suspend way too much disbelief to make it work. If Beth sells even one of Kelly's terrible moves, you know its bulls***, that's how I felt when I saw Beth sell that horrific drop kick attempt by Eve. I say keep the belt on Kelly, make her look like the piece of garbage she is by beating her down into nothing, get DQ'd, have the other diva's try to save her, and then beat them up, too. Kharma had a supernatural trance on them that made them fall apart, these two will just muscle them down. Really the only person to fight these two is Kharma, so let them use what they can out of these models to make something viable out of that potential feud. they've wrestled at least a couple times. Only the first time back in 2007 was a total squash.
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Post by smoot on Aug 14, 2011 9:21:11 GMT -5
Actually, that is a good point... the announcers said it's not possible for KK to win. Generally speaking, if a wrestling storyline tells you something's impossible and never-ever going to happen, plan on it happening before the commercial break. Oh, and yeah- if Kelly Kelly's retraining involves trying to catch a chicken, I'm on board for that.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Aug 14, 2011 9:47:03 GMT -5
They need to somehow screw Beth out of winning, without making Kelly look like a heel. I'm not sure how they can manage that, because having Eve interfere won't really work too well. Not if Natalya's around to stop her. Perhaps they might have Eve, AJ and Kaitlyn all get involved, and it ends in a no contest. Set the DoD (crappy name) against all the face divas, and set up a longer term angle, with the weaker 'pretty princesses' using strength in numbers to keep just out of reach of Beth and Natalya. But perhaps they just won't put that much thought into a divas angle. Or you go the easy route and have Beth get herself disqualified. You have Kelly repeatedly kick out of Beth's pin attempts, Beth gets frustrated, won't break at 5, she gets DQ'd. Easy.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 14, 2011 9:50:36 GMT -5
I think the OP puts more thought into the Divas division than WWE does, which is not a criticism of the OP, but of WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 9:55:19 GMT -5
Y'know, one good way to go with it could be to have Beth destroy Kelly, hit the Glam Slam, and then just walk away - she could explain it the next night as having been done because she sees a belt shaped like a butterfly with a lineage only dating back four years as being beneath her. It'd be an interesting direction to take the story in.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 14, 2011 10:12:05 GMT -5
The best solution I can think of is calling Naomi to the main roster. At the least, you'd have a competent face diva who hasn't either been tainted by bad matches or a bad win-loss record, particularly against either Beth or Natalya. Also, the lack of coverage would make her a believable opponent for them, since few in the audience would know what to expect.
That, or retool Eve and build the Chickbusters into more competitive opponents, but that's not likely to happen.
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