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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 3, 2011 18:33:42 GMT -5
There's a difference between taking a situation by the balls when you're in the company and doing it before they even sign you. Jeremiah's goal should have been to get signed, not to make people believe that he was going to be better than Stone Cold Steve Austin. The whole point of the show was to get signed in the first place. Austin was telling Andy what he had to do to get signed, remember? But the real point of the show was to market pro wrestling to a slightly different demographic than usual. Everything that Austin (and everybody else on Tough Enough) said or did on that show was aimed primarily at putting over the idea that being a pro wrestler is this awesome, badass thing to all the viewers watching on TV. Saying "act like a badass" sounds a lot cooler than "shut up and do what you're told", even if the later is far closer to how the talent whom WWE hires are expected to actually act. Jeremiah (and most of the rest of the rookies) didn't catch this because they weren't let in on the act, and it didn't really matter in WWE's eyes anyway, because they had a couple FCW trainees on the show who could safely "win" without it requiring WWE to actually do anything different with them.
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Post by randomranter on Aug 3, 2011 18:43:44 GMT -5
WWE: "If you want a job here, you're expected to act this way" <rookie proceeds to act in the way he's told to act.> WWE: "Um....yeah....remember the advice we gave you? We didn't really mean it. It just sounded really cool at the time. We wanted you to actually do the exact opposite." Rookie: "...." WWE: "Thanks for playin'. Better luck next time. Oh, and you had no chance anyway. We forgot to mention that we had an FCW plant that was gonna win no matter what."
Yeah, still on Jeremiah's side here.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Aug 3, 2011 18:44:42 GMT -5
Here's the thing, you, me, the world at large has no actual idea what Austin said to him because we saw entire weeks compressed into 44 minutes. However it seems unlikely that Austins full and nuanced advice was "be a dick.". Actually, we do know what was said, because it was on TV. Austin told Andy to ask him "Why are you in this business", then Austin gave his own version of the exact speech everybody is ripping into Jeremiah for. He told andy (and by extension, the entire TE cast) that that was how you answer when someone asks you what you have to offer the business. That was the answer Austin was looking for. That was the answer the higher ups were looking for (according to austin); they wanted someone who wasn't afraid to take the situation by the balls. So when Jeremiah found himself in that real-life situation, he did what he saw and was told to do by the most successful man in the business. The problem is when asked why he was in the business, Jeremiah said money, first and foremost The fact that in his interview he fell back on his reality tv experience as to why he'd be a good draw for them makes me think he's just a fame whore.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 3, 2011 18:46:51 GMT -5
Not a wise career move, Mr Riggs.
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Post by Magnum Opus on Aug 3, 2011 18:52:43 GMT -5
Actually, we do know what was said, because it was on TV. Again. We saw 44 minutes a week. Austin and Jeremiah did not suffer existence failure for the other 167.25 hours a week that we didn't see. A couple speeches about having balls making it to TV does not mean there were entire days of speeches about knowing when it was appropriate to act like a professional. Like rnrk said this was a show for the audience.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 3, 2011 18:55:17 GMT -5
Actually, we do know what was said, because it was on TV. Austin told Andy to ask him "Why are you in this business", then Austin gave his own version of the exact speech everybody is ripping into Jeremiah for. He told andy (and by extension, the entire TE cast) that that was how you answer when someone asks you what you have to offer the business. That was the answer Austin was looking for. That was the answer the higher ups were looking for (according to austin); they wanted someone who wasn't afraid to take the situation by the balls. So when Jeremiah found himself in that real-life situation, he did what he saw and was told to do by the most successful man in the business. The problem is when asked why he was in the business, Jeremiah said money, first and foremost The fact that in his interview he fell back on his reality tv experience as to why he'd be a good draw for them makes me think he's just a fame whore. You know what, I think this is basically the point. You can't go in basically just saying "I'm just in it to get rich", when you're competing with guys like Alex Koslov and Tyler Black who have a passion for wrestling and want to make a name for themselves in the wrestling world. And therein lies what I feel is the problem with the developmental system under Johnny Ace as a whole: they don't have guys like Austin or Triple H or CM Punk that just love wrestling and want to be wrestlers, they have guys like Big Rig and girls like Ariane who couldn't give a damn about the wrestling business and just want to make what they think is easy money.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 3, 2011 18:58:41 GMT -5
If it's the same speech I am thinking of, Stone Cold pretty much said that you have to take what they give you and then show that you can do more when given the chance. He talked about his time as the Ringmaster and said that gimmick sucked, but it was a foot in the door that he could use to go further when the opportunity presented itself.
That's sort of a different thing from going in there and acting like you can jump straight from green guy to Stone Cold. To me, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't have to go pay your dues before you take the ball and run with it. At least the way I took it, it was that you have to go through the rigamarole so you can get the opportunity, and then take it.
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Post by Rican on Aug 3, 2011 19:23:30 GMT -5
This guy sounds like a total dick head, but this:
I agree completely with.
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Post by Lardlad on Aug 4, 2011 7:43:17 GMT -5
Whom? Good riddance ... I found him to be cocky and full of himself on TE.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Aug 4, 2011 9:11:46 GMT -5
To me it's a no-win situation. It's like they either wanted him or they didn't from the get-go, and the interview was a formality. The guy had talent and personality, sure, but it came down to him taking what he was told on Tough Enough a bit too much (namely, gabbing opportunity by the balls) and it backfired. Unfortunately, the opposite would've been just as bad - I can't believe that if he came into that interview all humble and such, that the staff of veterans wouldn't have just walked all over him.
That being said, this article absolutely makes him seem like a fame whore and douche. So, we'll see his commitment if we ever hear of him again, wrestling-wise.
To sum up:
- Act aggressive and try to seize opportunity by grabbing the bull by the horns: Get labeled as having a bad attitude - Don't do that: Get bullied around and passed over
I dunno, it just smacks of a no-win situation to me.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 4, 2011 9:59:32 GMT -5
To me it's a no-win situation. It's like they either wanted him or they didn't from the get-go, and the interview was a formality. The guy had talent and personality, sure, but it came down to him taking what he was told on Tough Enough a bit too much (namely, gabbing opportunity by the balls) and it backfired. Unfortunately, the opposite would've been just as bad - I can't believe that if he came into that interview all humble and such, that the staff of veterans wouldn't have just walked all over him. That being said, this article absolutely makes him seem like a fame whore and douche. So, we'll see his commitment if we ever hear of him again, wrestling-wise. To sum up: - Act aggressive and try to seize opportunity by grabbing the bull by the horns: Get labeled as having a bad attitude - Don't do that: Get bullied around and passed over I dunno, it just smacks of a no-win situation to me. But see, that's where I think what Stone Cold was saying is being misinterpreted. People seem to take it as "be a cocky asshole from the get go and you'll get ahead!" Austin said he had to take what he felt was a crappy gimmick so he could use that to get ahead. To me, that pretty much is saying that you have play ball until you get the opportunity, then to take that and go with it. Grabbing the bull by the horns doesn't mean going in with a chip on your shoulder. The bull has to come to you before you can grab it.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 4, 2011 10:14:19 GMT -5
To me it's a no-win situation. It's like they either wanted him or they didn't from the get-go, and the interview was a formality. The guy had talent and personality, sure, but it came down to him taking what he was told on Tough Enough a bit too much (namely, gabbing opportunity by the balls) and it backfired. Unfortunately, the opposite would've been just as bad - I can't believe that if he came into that interview all humble and such, that the staff of veterans wouldn't have just walked all over him. That being said, this article absolutely makes him seem like a fame whore and douche. So, we'll see his commitment if we ever hear of him again, wrestling-wise. To sum up: - Act aggressive and try to seize opportunity by grabbing the bull by the horns: Get labeled as having a bad attitude - Don't do that: Get bullied around and passed over I dunno, it just smacks of a no-win situation to me. But see, that's where I think what Stone Cold was saying is being misinterpreted. People seem to take it as "be a cocky asshole from the get go and you'll get ahead!" Austin said he had to take what he felt was a crappy gimmick so he could use that to get ahead. To me, that pretty much is saying that you have play ball until you get the opportunity, then to take that and go with it. Grabbing the bull by the horns doesn't mean going in with a chip on your shoulder. The bull has to come to you before you can grab it. Exactly. Austin used the Ringmaster gimmick as an example. He was handed a pretty crappy gimmick. The only two bright spots was that he was promoted as being better in the ring than others and being with DiBiase meant that he was at least visible. He worked hard to make that gimmick work until it could not be improved and then used the foot in the door that he had gotten in from doing his best to suggest something better. Look, you can be handed crap and make something really good out of it. Repo Man was really, really, really stupid, but Barry Darsow tried so hard in that gimmick that I loved it and think that they were missing the boat by not having him harass "deadbeat" heels. Mankind was a really bad gimmick, but who cares? 90% of the time that the gimmick existed Mick made it work. How did that work out for him? He actually won the WWE title 3 times as Mankind.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Aug 4, 2011 11:45:52 GMT -5
So we're all agreeing that the FCW is full of vanilla clones who work the same boring style, yet we all jump on Sin Cara for bypassing FCW and not learning the "WWE style?"
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Post by SassovsHart on Aug 4, 2011 12:38:47 GMT -5
Apparently Seth Rollins isn't a fan of Mr. Riggs, saying on Twitter "Dude was about 10 words from an ass kicking when he was here."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 12:50:33 GMT -5
So we're all agreeing that the FCW is full of vanilla clones who work the same boring style, yet we all jump on Sin Cara for bypassing FCW and not learning the "WWE style?" Yes. One can learn the WWE style without wrestling exactly the same as everyone else.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 4, 2011 13:13:35 GMT -5
So we're all agreeing that the FCW is full of vanilla clones who work the same boring style, yet we all jump on Sin Cara for bypassing FCW and not learning the "WWE style?" Even if you're an expert in your field, if you go to work at a new company, you're going to get some training. A guy like Sin Cara wouldn't go there to learn how to wrestle, he'd go there to spend time getting used to that style, getting used to the set-up, the specific timing of the company, etc. Guys who are highly skilled shouldn't be spending months down there, of course, but some time to get used to the intricacies of the company doesn't hurt. It certainly isn't perfect, but that doesn't mean there's no benefit to going there.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Aug 4, 2011 14:37:24 GMT -5
Shooting before his career has even begun to begin lol.
Yeah, thats smart.
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Post by 543Y2J on Aug 4, 2011 14:51:13 GMT -5
I would bring him in just to do a crazy hillbilly south park gimmick
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