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Post by Brian Suntan on Jun 1, 2011 21:25:05 GMT -5
I think a recent event would fall in the category. Big Show getting hit by a car on Raw a couple of days after Randy Savage actually dies in a car wreck. Really? Is that really a 'disgusting promotional tactic'? Do you honestly think that the WWE sought to cash in on the Macho Man dying in a car accident, by having someone 'accidentally' slightly run over the Big Show's leg? Anyway, I was looking through these awards on Wikipedia, and it strikes me as unbelievably harsh that the 2005 award is listed as being given to "Terrorist angle on the day of the London Bombings". Maybe in bad taste regardless, but it wasn't intentionally done on that day. And I don't see why people get so upset about Eddiesploitation, but that arguement doesn't really need dragging up. The Gooker induction always seemed quite disrespectful to Vickie and Chavo to me.
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Post by Celgress on Jun 1, 2011 21:55:44 GMT -5
I think a recent event would fall in the category. Big Show getting hit by a car on Raw a couple of days after Randy Savage actually dies in a car wreck. Yeah, that was somewhat distasteful.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jun 1, 2011 22:06:58 GMT -5
The saddest thing to me about Eddie's death was that instead of using it to elevate Chavo.. an actual relative of Eddie... they used it to elevate the already insanely over Rey Rey. I mean... replace Chavo in there fighting for his blood, not his friend like Rey.. it makes it seem a whole lot more real.
That was the thing that angered me most about it.
I'm sure Vickie and Chavo blessed the whole angle knowing Eddie. Vickie ended up becoming the best heel in the WWE. She has a job where she can support her family without having to just live on Eddie's career earnings. It probably was something that helped her cope with his death, understand it better.
I don't think I've ever been offended by a wrestling angle.. the closest I came was Sandman's kid turning on him for Raven, but I now find that to be a great story being much older.
But in a more broad sense of this question...
Vince promoting "larger than normal" characters, knowingly allowing steroids to go around the locker room, profiting insanely off the 80's, and then going to court and exposing pro-wrestling to save his ass. Implements "drug testing", boys get right back on juice & cocain, watches Davey&Eddie&Curt&Hawk&Benoit&more die, implements drug testing, conveniently won't test for HGH as it now does the same thing as steroids.
I don't like Vince. I think he's smart, a good businessman, and a great talent... but I feel like he's done more to harm pro-wrestling and people's lives who worked for him than he has done good. THAT being said, I think the last few years (and the Benoit murder-suicide) have changed him for the better, and he's doing a better job to help and protect the boys. Some of it forced, some of it not. No one told WWE to pay for rehab for every ex-wrestler... but they did. I think by the end of his life, I will like Vince, but for now... the fact that he still labels wrestlers as ICs will be the one thing that I ethically hate. If only anyone actually cared about wrestling enough to force an investigation into their employment status.
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Post by Stu on Jun 1, 2011 22:48:24 GMT -5
is this most disgusting gimmicks/angles or promotional tactics? Supposed to be promotional tactics. But the thread's either been hijacked or people don't know the difference.
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Post by Danimal on Jun 2, 2011 0:10:43 GMT -5
Pacman Jones by himself wouldn't have been bad. But they decided to make light of his very serious legal problems by having him "make it rain" every week. TNA recently showing Pope planning a dog fighting ring is probably just as bad. Amen to that. Both were in incredibly bad taste. IMO you guys are overreacting on both counts. Jones couldn't wrestle so they did what they could, and making-it-rain ended up blowing-up in his face when it cost him and Truth the belts. I am a dog-owner and still have no use for Michael Vick but talking about a dog-fighting ring is just being a heal. Mine for TNA would be dragging the kids into the drawn-out Angle/Jarrett feud in an angle that has reflected real-life drama.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Jun 2, 2011 0:32:08 GMT -5
The saddest thing to me about Eddie's death was that instead of using it to elevate Chavo.. an actual relative of Eddie... they used it to elevate the already insanely over Rey Rey. I mean... replace Chavo in there fighting for his blood, not his friend like Rey.. it makes it seem a whole lot more real. That was the thing that angered me most about it. I'm sure Vickie and Chavo blessed the whole angle knowing Eddie. Vickie ended up becoming the best heel in the WWE. She has a job where she can support her family without having to just live on Eddie's career earnings. It probably was something that helped her cope with his death, understand it better. I don't think I've ever been offended by a wrestling angle.. the closest I came was Sandman's kid turning on him for Raven, but I now find that to be a great story being much older. But in a more broad sense of this question... Vince promoting "larger than normal" characters, knowingly allowing steroids to go around the locker room, profiting insanely off the 80's, and then going to court and exposing pro-wrestling to save his ass. Implements "drug testing", boys get right back on juice & cocain, watches Davey&Eddie&Curt&Hawk&Benoit&more die, implements drug testing, conveniently won't test for HGH as it now does the same thing as steroids. I don't like Vince. I think he's smart, a good businessman, and a great talent... but I feel like he's done more to harm pro-wrestling and people's lives who worked for him than he has done good. THAT being said, I think the last few years (and the Benoit murder-suicide) have changed him for the better, and he's doing a better job to help and protect the boys. Some of it forced, some of it not. No one told WWE to pay for rehab for every ex-wrestler... but they did. I think by the end of his life, I will like Vince, but for now... the fact that he still labels wrestlers as ICs will be the one thing that I ethically hate. If only anyone actually cared about wrestling enough to force an investigation into their employment status. It also makes less sense that MOTNHS BEFORE Eddie Guerrero was blackmailing Rey over Dominic really being his child. So now because he died, he is suddenly a great guy and every match he has, he dedicates it to him? Thats WWE for ya.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jun 2, 2011 3:37:36 GMT -5
Well, that always happens when someone die, I recall that some announcer to protect kayfabe was happy when a heel wrestler died and that got a lot of backlash for fans (It was in WCW, and the wrestler that died was an ECW alumni)
So it was mixing kayfabe with reality
At least sometimes it feels more like people are angered with eddiesploitaition, more because pushed rey mysterio down our throats instead of something being incredible offensive, and I feel too that the gooker induction was very disrespectful for chavo and vickie, they lost a relative but they know that sadly lives going on, I think that is not our business to judge them for ''sell out'' to McMahon
They knew Eddie better than us, just because they mentioned an old reference when the other part of the gringos locos died, doesn't exactly means that this was against eddie will, we will never know maybe
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 2, 2011 7:43:43 GMT -5
Has/have ECW or TNA ever had a disgusting promotional tactic? ECW having Raven put Sandman on the cross. Sandman and Raven thought it was a great idea, but nobody else liked it at all (atleast non of the wrestlers. Stevie, Meanie, and Nova were very uncomfortable tying Sandman to the cross). Never mind the fact that it also cost them the chance to sign Kurt Angle, since he was in the audience for that match, and was disgusted by what he saw from it. Honestly, the crucifixion angle never bothered me, I thought it worked for what the rest of the storyline involved, but if they hadn't done it, and Kurt had signed with them, wrestling history might be very different than what it is now.
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Post by skulldouggory on Jun 2, 2011 7:58:07 GMT -5
Amen to that. Both were in incredibly bad taste. IMO you guys are overreacting on both counts. Jones couldn't wrestle so they did what they could, and making-it-rain ended up blowing-up in his face when it cost him and Truth the belts. I am a dog-owner and still have no use for Michael Vick but talking about a dog-fighting ring is just being a heal. Mine for TNA would be dragging the kids into the drawn-out Angle/Jarrett feud in an angle that has reflected real-life drama. The Pacman thing is actually a pretty good example of a disgusting promotional tactic (not angle or gimmick) because TNA knew from the start they could never get him cleared to wrestle, but still built it up that he would get in the ring at some stage.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 2, 2011 9:06:36 GMT -5
Amen to that. Both were in incredibly bad taste. IMO you guys are overreacting on both counts. Jones couldn't wrestle so they did what they could, and making-it-rain ended up blowing-up in his face when it cost him and Truth the belts. The Pope thing is nowhere near as bad as Pacman. In particular when you consider that the Vegas shooting paralyzed a former wrestler. But for big time promotions, it's any number of the things Fritz has done.
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Post by JLAJRC on Jun 2, 2011 9:42:58 GMT -5
I seem to remember a story on the various wrestling websites a couple of years ago where I think Rob Black (I think) threatened to rape a female wrestler/valet in the ring that was quickly dropped and he was forced to apologize because of the outrage against it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 2, 2011 9:58:54 GMT -5
Of course, there's also the fact that when his son Mike committed suicide shortly before that year's David Von Erich Memorial Parade of Champions, it was quickly renamed "The David and Mike Von Erich Memorial Parade of Champions," and pictures of Mike were on sale for higher prices than usual. Or, before that, when Mike was rushed back from Toxic Shock Syndrome which nearly killed him and affected him for the rest of his life. They billed him as "a living miracle" or something and put him back in the ring WAY before he was ready. If he ever really would have been ready, that is. Or before that, when it has been heavily rumored that after David's death, Fritz had someone "autograph" pictures of David to sell. Fritz was never a candidate for dad of the year. He used to enter David and Kevin (maybe Kerry too) in child fight competitions (basically human cock fights) that just made me think of Arrested Development, where George Sr. would videotape Michael and GOB fighting and market it as "Boy Fights".
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jun 2, 2011 10:23:22 GMT -5
Fritz was never a candidate for dad of the year. He used to enter David and Kevin (maybe Kerry too) in child fight competitions (basically human cock fights) I remember Kevin saying that Fritz's father had done that to him, but I don't remember him saying it had been done to them. He mentioned his grandfather doing it in the Heroes of World Class doc.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 2, 2011 11:15:49 GMT -5
and my favorite, which seems to happen an awful lot is all the indy promoters who promote a guy on their card whom they never booked and then the day of the show they claim he backed out. Or wrestlers who use names/gimmicks that are ridiculously similar/blatant rip offs of popular or legendary wrestlers. All-star wrestling was good at this but took it further into the disgusting territory by featuring Yokuzuna in their advertising long after his death.
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Post by destrucity on Jun 2, 2011 20:15:50 GMT -5
The Melanie Pillman Interview.
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Post by bob on Jun 2, 2011 20:39:44 GMT -5
Exploiting Eddie Guerrero's death
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 2, 2011 20:41:51 GMT -5
I think a recent event would fall in the category. Big Show getting hit by a car on Raw a couple of days after Randy Savage actually dies in a car wreck. Yeah, that was somewhat distasteful. He died from a heart attack. Him being in a car was pretty much incidental, wasn't it?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 2, 2011 21:09:43 GMT -5
Invader#1 was billed as the Man who killed the Monster Bruiser Brody and was pushed as a babyface.
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Post by Psychoblue on Jun 2, 2011 21:10:37 GMT -5
Last year must have been pretty slow if "Stand Up for WWE" was the Observer's "Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic."
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Post by bagsley on Jun 5, 2011 0:21:21 GMT -5
The Melanie Pillman Interview. I have to agree. I thought the interview was way out of line and should have never been done.
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