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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on May 11, 2011 21:03:20 GMT -5
I think that this is just some newz
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Post by Tony Stark on May 11, 2011 21:03:49 GMT -5
Hey, remember back in like 1997 or 1998 WCW when Hogan and Piper were feuding again only neither guy could really do anything in the ring anymore and Piper could barely walk and everybody made fun of it and called there Steel Cage Match "Old Age in the Cage"? Yeah, that's what I'm flashing back to right now. Considering Sting's gotten himself in better shape to wrestle a lot more like his usual self, while Hogan has apparently got himself in at least some form of good shape, while it won't be a mat classic (or a Matt Classic), I doubt it'll be some sad image, either. No. Mikey, just no. There is no way on God's green earth you can defend this. I'm all for you being a TNA fan and all, but HOGAN CANNOT BUMP! This is wrong. WRONG. So very, very wrong! Oh, and:
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Post by Tarik Dee on May 11, 2011 21:07:36 GMT -5
I know this is a cliche, but I really want AJ Styles, Robert Roode or any other TNA original in the main event instead of Hogan
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Post by Michael Coello on May 11, 2011 21:12:15 GMT -5
Considering Sting's gotten himself in better shape to wrestle a lot more like his usual self, while Hogan has apparently got himself in at least some form of good shape, while it won't be a mat classic (or a Matt Classic), I doubt it'll be some sad image, either. No. Mikey, just no. There is no way on God's green earth you can defend this. I'm all for you being a TNA fan and all, but HOGAN CANNOT BUMP! This is wrong. WRONG. So very, very wrong! Oh, and: He bumped like hell last year, and he was suppose to be even worse off then than how he is now. AGAIN, who the hell else can you wrap this damn storyline up with for Immortal's side? Flair? Bully Ray? Matt Hardy? Jeff Hardy? Eric Bischoff? GUNNER?!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 21:12:45 GMT -5
If they do this, at least it should be when Immortal finally ends.
So Hogan will win the title and hold it for a year, defending it in squash matches every other month.
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CJ
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Post by CJ on May 11, 2011 21:12:49 GMT -5
I don't think you understand. It's not just about Hogan's physical limitations. It's the fact that of all the matches you could put Hogan in, considering he can actually work a match (I'm still thinking no), you're going to put him up against Sting. Out of all the big stars in TNA he hasn't faced, you put him up against a guy he's faced dozens of times in WCW. If you really want to see Hogan vs. Sting, track down WCW Starrcade 1997 or WCW Superbrawl VIII to see some decent matches between the two. You compared it to when Hogan faced The Rock. Hogan was still able to work and hadn't been in a wrestling ring for 2 years. Fans were excited at the thought of wrestling's past vs. wrestling's future as the WWF put it at the time. Hogan vs. Sting in TNA in 2011 is nowhere near the same thing. That, and Hogan is still broken down. It's sad to think that he may step in the ring again. He doesn't need to, it won't help TNA, and it will only further hurt Hulk Hogan. The thing is, the way it is set up right now, and it could change down the line, no one else has had the set up for that definitive good vs evil clash as much as Sting has. Having it against RVD or Anderson or Hardy or Daniels or any of the guys he never faced wouldn't have that same drama for it, with AJ Styles being one exception. Sting was the guy who was brought in as the general role. I get the issues with his health, but it's hard to gauge with his recent attempts to get himself ready for something. Also, I think there is a reason for it and it's simple as this: Hogan NEEDS to fall, for the villain he is. He's Dracula in Castlevania, he's Bowser in Mario, he's the last guy that needs to fall. He's the guy who you take down while both armies of good and evil are busy dueling it out in the end. Just to have something new kind of ruins it. It'd be like having Batman and Joker dueling it out with the Arkham Asylum inmates and the Batfamily, but deciding at the last minute that Joker should be defeated by Squire cause the Batman thing's been done before. But, I might just be romanticizing this a tad bit, to be honest.... No he doesn't. Hogan does NOT need to fall. Immortal can fall and Hogan can take a simple bump on his way out if need be, but not a full match. The crown jewel of Immortal (whomever that may be) can take the fall. Hogan being in a match.... WHY? What purpose does it serve? It's pathetic and unnecessary... Suppose they have a match between AJ Styles & Mr. Anderson (Who somehow joins Immortal) for the TNA Title. Winner take all. If AJ wins, he wins the title and Immortal is gone. Immortal can go away forever and Hogan doesn't have to wrestle a full match It's quite simple
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Post by Jimmy on May 11, 2011 21:14:59 GMT -5
Yeah, it's like those poor WWE fans who had to deal with that terrible Rock/Hogan match that one Mania. Those poor damned souls. but that match was 9 years ago Hogan had a lot more mobility back then and his physical condition was a lot better than it is today I think it would be best for Hogan's own well being that he not wrestle anymore. and the sad thing is even 9 years ago his mobility was already zero to none. I don't care how 'jacked' he looks or whatever, he is past the point of being able to work an actual match that isn't an embarrassment to professional wrestling. Rock, Michaels, and Orton bumped around like pinballs for him but Sting can't.
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Post by Michael Coello on May 11, 2011 21:22:10 GMT -5
The thing is, the way it is set up right now, and it could change down the line, no one else has had the set up for that definitive good vs evil clash as much as Sting has. Having it against RVD or Anderson or Hardy or Daniels or any of the guys he never faced wouldn't have that same drama for it, with AJ Styles being one exception. Sting was the guy who was brought in as the general role. I get the issues with his health, but it's hard to gauge with his recent attempts to get himself ready for something. Also, I think there is a reason for it and it's simple as this: Hogan NEEDS to fall, for the villain he is. He's Dracula in Castlevania, he's Bowser in Mario, he's the last guy that needs to fall. He's the guy who you take down while both armies of good and evil are busy dueling it out in the end. Just to have something new kind of ruins it. It'd be like having Batman and Joker dueling it out with the Arkham Asylum inmates and the Batfamily, but deciding at the last minute that Joker should be defeated by Squire cause the Batman thing's been done before. But, I might just be romanticizing this a tad bit, to be honest.... No he doesn't. Hogan does NOT need to fall. Immortal can fall and Hogan can take a simple bump on his way out if need be, but not a full match. The crown jewel of Immortal (whomever that may be) can take the fall. Hogan being in a match.... WHY? What purpose does it serve? It's pathetic and unnecessary... Suppose they have a match between AJ Styles & Mr. Anderson (Who somehow joins Immortal) for the TNA Title. Winner take all. If AJ wins, he wins the title and Immortal is gone. Immortal can go away forever and Hogan doesn't have to wrestle a full match It's quite simple Because having Anderson being the end game is not as definitive as defeating the guy who the damn thing started with. Anderson doesn't have the ties to IMMORTAL that Hogan does. Anderson may be part of IMMORTAL, but Hogan IS IMMORTAL. This is like saying that we can't have Dracula as a final boss, but just have the ghost knight be the last one, because Dracula is kind of old. You know, For a forum that loves saying how the wrestling feds ignore logical ends, this is one big hypocrisy that I can't ignore.
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on May 11, 2011 21:22:51 GMT -5
The thing is, the way it is set up right now, and it could change down the line, no one else has had the set up for that definitive good vs evil clash as much as Sting has. Having it against RVD or Anderson or Hardy or Daniels or any of the guys he never faced wouldn't have that same drama for it, with AJ Styles being one exception. Sting was the guy who was brought in as the general role. I get the issues with his health, but it's hard to gauge with his recent attempts to get himself ready for something. Also, I think there is a reason for it and it's simple as this: Hogan NEEDS to fall, for the villain he is. He's Dracula in Castlevania, he's Bowser in Mario, he's the last guy that needs to fall. He's the guy who you take down while both armies of good and evil are busy dueling it out in the end. Just to have something new kind of ruins it. It'd be like having Batman and Joker dueling it out with the Arkham Asylum inmates and the Batfamily, but deciding at the last minute that Joker should be defeated by Squire cause the Batman thing's been done before. But, I might just be romanticizing this a tad bit, to be honest.... No he doesn't. Hogan does NOT need to fall. Immortal can fall and Hogan can take a simple bump on his way out if need be, but not a full match. The crown jewel of Immortal (whomever that may be) can take the fall. Hogan being in a match.... WHY? What purpose does it serve? It's pathetic and unnecessary... Suppose they have a match between AJ Styles & Mr. Anderson (Who somehow joins Immortal) for the TNA Title. Winner take all. If AJ wins, he wins the title and Immortal is gone. Immortal can go away forever and Hogan doesn't have to wrestle a full match It's quite simple The only purpose I can see having Hogan wrestle Sting is to possibly bump a buyrate. Where WWE could possibly make a buyrate pop with Hogan, TNA is so terrible at advertising and marketing that Hogan could potentially kill himself in the ring in front of the same exact fans that would have bought the ppv with the proposed AJ vs. Anderson match above. I don't have anything against Hogan (starting every Impact with him is getting pretty old), but the guy can't go anymore. If Hulk Hogan is potentially ever going to work a match again, it should be a big time Wrestlemania match, not in front of 100 fans for some rinky-dink TNA ppv.
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Post by gnr123 on May 11, 2011 21:23:04 GMT -5
Not trying to be funny. I'm deadly serious here. I honestly feel bad for TNA fans that have to put up with this garbage. Yeah, it's like those poor WWE fans who had to deal with that terrible Rock/Hogan match that one Mania. Those poor damned souls. First off all, that was a dream match. Second, it was originally supposed to be Austin/Hogan, but they could'nt find a finish. So, they then had ot make it Rock/Hogan. The match was in every sense a dream match and overall a great match in it's own way. Sting/Hogan was done already, 14 years ago! I don't want to see a man who had 8 back-surgeries in the ring. I don't think he can bump at all. Hell, he can barely walk nowaday's. The difference betweeen Rock/Hogan and Sting/Hogan is that Rock/Hogan was a dream match, both were relevant at the time, Hogan didn't have 8 back-surgeries before it, Rock was in his prime, and fan's actually cared about the match. Sting/Hogan is two irrelevant guy's with a compine age of 100 year's old, with one being one bump away from being paralyzed. Even though I may not respect Hogan, I don't want to see him in a hospital bed the rest of his life. Seriously, this is what TNA come's up with? This match? A match only TNA mark's like you want to see. I'm sorry, but I don't want ot see to old men fight where, one guy has no business being TNA Champion and the other one has no business being on television, much les in a match on a PPV in 2011! And, to point out I am in no way shocked you are the only person behind this happening.
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Post by Cronant on May 11, 2011 21:24:23 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on May 11, 2011 21:27:06 GMT -5
Did Janice Carter put this match together?
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Post by Michael Coello on May 11, 2011 21:28:34 GMT -5
And, to point out I am in no way shocked you are the only person behind this happening. and I'm in no way shocked that my logical and well thought out points are just being countered with "You're wrong because I say so, and this is dumb cause I say so too, and I post funny pictures and videos to cement that". No offense, of course. You guys just aren't thinking 4th dimensionally.....
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on May 11, 2011 21:35:18 GMT -5
And, to point out I am in no way shocked you are the only person behind this happening. and I'm in no way shocked that my logical and well thought out points are just being countered with "You're wrong because I say so, and this is dumb cause I say so too, and I post funny pictures and videos to cement that". No offense, of course. You guys just aren't thinking 4th dimensionally..... No, we get your points. I just don't think you understand where everyone else is coming from: 1. Hogan is barely mobile and in no way, shape, or form should even consider stepping foot in a wrestling ring as an active competitor. He's meant a lot to the wrestling business, and should not have to perform in his limited condition in order to (not) pop a TNA ppv buyrate. 2. Nobody here really wants to see the match. Hogan vs. Sting was done better in WCW, when both guys could move and when the angle was one of the hottest in wrestling history. Doing it now accomplishes nothing. If you can't do it better than before, why attempt it, especially after point #1. 3. They can end Immortal using some of the other talent that can actually work a match. You can even use Sting, build up someone from Immortal to face him, put Hogan in his corner, and do it that way. Think Battle of the Billionaires. Donald Trump and Vince McMahon didn't wrestle each other, but used actual wrestlers to carry out the feud. The same thing can be done here. See, we're not questioning the logic of your proposed angle, we're not interested in seeing a match that's been done before where one of the participants could end up paralyzed.
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Post by gnr123 on May 11, 2011 21:38:45 GMT -5
And, to point out I am in no way shocked you are the only person behind this happening. and I'm in no way shocked that my logical and well thought out points are just being countered with "You're wrong because I say so, and this is dumb cause I say so too, and I post funny pictures and videos to cement that". No offense, of course. You guys just aren't thinking 4th dimensionally..... Logic is having a guy who maybe one bump away from be paralyzed NOT in a match. Have him be the manager of a person. Hell, amke it be like Suvivor Serioes 2001 main event. 5 on 5 tag match where winner takes all. If Immortal win's, Hogan and Imortal stay. If Fotune, or whoever the opponent win's, Immortal has to disband. There, done. I don't care if Hogan himself want's to be in the match. I'm will not be shocked at all to here after the match Hogan is crippled for life. Seriously, the man has no business being in a PPV match in 2011! He's not a draw anymore, most of the fan's don't want to see him wrestle (some for health condition's, some because it'll probably be terrible, I'm both) and it won't draw. There's no reason to have this match other than to have Hogan win the TNA Championship and "Fingerpoke of Doom" every opponent he faces while he's sitting in a wheelchair.
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Post by Michael Coello on May 11, 2011 21:46:37 GMT -5
1. Hogan is barely mobile and in no way, shape, or form should even consider stepping foot in a wrestling ring as an active competitor. He's meant a lot to the wrestling business, and should not have to perform in his limited condition in order to (not) pop a TNA ppv buyrate. yeah, right now. 6 months from now? Who knows? He can have enough work training for something, even a limited work range. We doesn't need a whole broadway run here, just something to have the crowd feeding on that energy. The issue is that it's not just to have Hogan vs Sting. It's the culmination of this angle, or what I assume is the culmination. It's the story, and like it or not, it doesn't work without Hogan being the main villain. You're letting him off scott free, after everything he did to deserve a boot in the ass up to that point, just cause you don't see a reason for it. Hogan, by everything he's done, is the man to beat here, and this story won't rest with Hogan just gone away for some reason. We need to see his fall. But Trump vs Vince wasn't this company wide thing, just this little scuffle between dudes. If you want a true ending, you need the big generals to face off, while the lieutenants have their own battles to shape the last war. Really, since we're booking fantasy here , you can have Hogan vs Sting. All you gotta do, have Hogan start laying a beat down, whips into the rails. Maybe a little Sting comeback, stopped when Immortal runs down to help, as a ref is down and out. Have Hogan on the side resting, laughing and taunting the crowd. Sting is a goner, until rescue arrives, drives Immortal down, they surround him, Hogan steps back, Sting drops him on his stomach, applies the Deathlock, Hogan taps, Sting wins, match over, story done, and mission f'n accomplished.
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Post by Yami Daimao on May 11, 2011 21:49:18 GMT -5
Fingerpoke. Sting joins Immortal.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 11, 2011 21:50:10 GMT -5
Not a good idea, but salvageable so long as it isn't for the title.
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Post by gnr123 on May 11, 2011 21:50:38 GMT -5
Fingerpoke. Sting joins Immortal. Shhhh, don't give Russo idea's. And, seeing as though Russo is still in the weird thought-process that people like unnecessary swerves, I will not at all be shocked if that happen's.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on May 11, 2011 22:00:36 GMT -5
Wrestling is like facebook. There's an age limit.
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