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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 15, 2012 7:48:15 GMT -5
If Michael Cole and Mason Ryan are fondly remembered 25 years from now by the sort of casual fans who make up the majority of WWE's audience, it'll mean they were doing their jobs successfully, even if many of us older, jaded fans never warmed up to them. Exactly. More people know Ultimate Warrior than Tito Santana even though Tito was a much, much superior worker than him. It just that Warrior made a gigantic, memorable impact to wrestling fans.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 15, 2012 7:49:01 GMT -5
Monsoon was a great commentator. Meltzer was way off base with his criticism of him. Didn't Mr Fuji get voted worst manager about 5 times in a row, too? Which is why his awards means nothing. Meltzer is a normal guy like all of us. He is not God's gift to wrestling. I thought he was God.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 15, 2012 9:29:15 GMT -5
Jesse Ventura undermined the idea of Hulk Hogan as a wholesome hero every chance he got. Bobby Heenan undermined countless moments, such as Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth reuniting and Vader powerbombing Cactus Jack on concrete, with his jokes. Yet, they're routinely praised as the two of the best announcers ever....and they are. So is Gorilla.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jan 15, 2012 9:34:48 GMT -5
Which is why his awards means nothing. Meltzer is a normal guy like all of us. He is not God's gift to wrestling. I thought he was God. That's what he (Meltzer) thinks.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jan 15, 2012 11:31:41 GMT -5
The thing is Meltzer's point would surely only be valid if the WWF at the time was in the crapper and there were no over heels? During Gorilla's run we saw tons of memorable heels created and the WWF was booming. This may have been in spite of Gorilla's commentary or maybe those 'irate heels' just weren't good enough? In my opinion the only evidence we have points to the latter.
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Post by h on Jan 15, 2012 11:46:50 GMT -5
Gorilla Monsoon was fairly enjoyable, but incredibly repetitive. It got very tedious listening to his "external occipital protuberance" comment, only to have the other announcer say for the 600th time, "The what?"
I consider it a close parallel to Razor Ramon setting up for the Razor's Edge while standing right in front of the ropes. If he actually attempted the move it wouldn't work, but you know his opponent is going to just throw him over the ropes. Yet it gets played up like he has a chance and the announcers are surprised when it doesn't work.
Either way, you're getting the same boring spot over and over again with the same people acting like it's never happened before, killing any suspension of disbelief.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 15, 2012 13:26:57 GMT -5
Monsoon wasn't great, but he had Heenan to play off of. To this day, the relationship between those two surpasses any other commentary relationship.
Michael Cole is the worst announcer ever.
And yes, I will be saying this in 20, 30, even 50 years time. Hell, you can chisel it on my gravestone.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 15, 2012 22:01:12 GMT -5
Named him the worst. Not bad, but the worst. THE WORST. Nostalgia isn't the fans remembering Gorilla for being great, it's Meltzer remembering himself for not burying the shit out of the WWF whenever he could, and now trying to reason that line of thinking.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 15, 2012 23:13:47 GMT -5
Holy mackerel!
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Post by Big Evil on Jan 16, 2012 6:43:55 GMT -5
Jesse Ventura undermined the idea of Hulk Hogan as a wholesome hero every chance he got. Bobby Heenan undermined countless moments, such as Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth reuniting and Vader powerbombing Cactus Jack on concrete, with his jokes. Yet, they're routinely praised as the two of the best announcers ever....and they are. So is Gorilla. I love Gorilla, but there's two problems with this: 1. Jesse was a heel color commentator, and they are rarely held to the standard of the play by play commentator. 2. Bobby Heenan was not in WCW when Vader powerbombed Cactus Jack.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 16, 2012 7:35:20 GMT -5
No Dave. No one in 20 years is going to be praising Michael Cole, or Mason Ryan. That's a rather laughable response actually.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 13:48:19 GMT -5
Jesse Ventura undermined the idea of Hulk Hogan as a wholesome hero every chance he got. Bobby Heenan undermined countless moments, such as Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth reuniting and Vader powerbombing Cactus Jack on concrete, with his jokes. Yet, they're routinely praised as the two of the best announcers ever....and they are. So is Gorilla. I love Gorilla, but there's two problems with this: 1. Jesse was a heel color commentator, and they are rarely held to the standard of the play by play commentator. 2. Bobby Heenan was not in WCW when Vader powerbombed Cactus Jack. Bobby wasn't in WCW for the famous 1993 incident where Vader powerbombed Cactus on the concrete floor, but in 1994, Vader and Cactus had a match on Worldwide where Vader powerbombed Cactus on a padded arena floor. In that match, Bobby was the color man and kinda blew off the spot, which actually made Mick Foley pretty angry. He said in his first book that was the final straw as far as him deciding whether or not to leave WCW.
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 17, 2012 1:48:45 GMT -5
I love Gorilla, but there's two problems with this: 1. Jesse was a heel color commentator, and they are rarely held to the standard of the play by play commentator. 2. Bobby Heenan was not in WCW when Vader powerbombed Cactus Jack. Bobby wasn't in WCW for the famous 1993 incident where Vader powerbombed Cactus on the concrete floor, but in 1994, Vader and Cactus had a match on Worldwide where Vader powerbombed Cactus on a padded arena floor. In that match, Bobby was the color man and kinda blew off the spot, which actually made Mick Foley pretty angry. He said in his first book that was the final straw as far as him deciding whether or not to leave WCW. Yeah, Heenan said something like "That's Excedrin headache number 9".
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 17, 2012 20:34:01 GMT -5
Take for instance 1993. Gorilla Monsoon wins worst announcer yet Rob Bartlett doesn't? He spent 4 months making Yokozuna fat jokes and that's about it. Don't forget dressing like Elvis.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 17, 2012 22:14:16 GMT -5
Take for instance 1993. Gorilla Monsoon wins worst announcer yet Rob Bartlett doesn't? He spent 4 months making Yokozuna fat jokes and that's about it. Don't forget dressing like Elvis. Monsoon wasnt even on tv that much in 93. I think he had been relegated to All American by the summer, and wrestling challenge was then Jim Ross and Bobby Heenan.
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Post by Mac on Jan 17, 2012 22:47:18 GMT -5
Watching the old WWF footage I've learned to love Gorilla's commentary. He made it seem like you were watching some legitimate competition. He was the perfect straight man against Heenan/Ventura's heel shtick.
As for Meltzer, not sure why his opinion would be valued over anybody elses. I guarentee if theres a wrestling match Meltzer has seem I've also seen it
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Post by metylerca on Jan 17, 2012 22:51:21 GMT -5
Watching the old WWF footage I've learned to love Gorilla's commentary. He made it seem like you were watching some legitimate competition. He was the perfect straight man against Heenan/Ventura's heel shtick. As for Meltzer, not sure why his opinion would be valued over anybody elses. I guarentee if theres a wrestling match Meltzer has seem I've also seen it Charge people to know your opinion and insider knowledge and we'll talk.
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Post by Mac on Jan 17, 2012 23:25:41 GMT -5
Watching the old WWF footage I've learned to love Gorilla's commentary. He made it seem like you were watching some legitimate competition. He was the perfect straight man against Heenan/Ventura's heel shtick. As for Meltzer, not sure why his opinion would be valued over anybody elses. I guarentee if theres a wrestling match Meltzer has seem I've also seen it Charge people to know your opinion and insider knowledge and we'll talk. I've found other ways to earn a living. So you feel Meltzer'sopinion matters more than mine because people pay for it? One man's opinion is one man's opinion. People pay for Meltzer's opinion and a lot of people think it's total garbage. I;d assume they'd feel the same way if you or I had a column.
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Post by The OP on Jan 18, 2012 17:02:39 GMT -5
If Michael Cole and Mason Ryan are fondly remembered 25 years from now by the sort of casual fans who make up the majority of WWE's audience, it'll mean they were doing their jobs successfully, even if many of us older, jaded fans never warmed up to them. Exactly. More people know Ultimate Warrior than Tito Santana even though Tito was a much, much superior worker than him. It just that Warrior made a gigantic, memorable impact to wrestling fans. This is true, but as a side note I do think people overestimate Warrior's popularity. People talk about him like he's up there with guys like Rock or Hogan, but he's never made any movies or anything like that. How would anyone who didn't watch wrestling back then even know who he is?
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