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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 15:29:12 GMT -5
I don't understand the argument that moving to the left would make it look like he was trying to get hit. As opposed to the usual method of standing still, arms open, as someone flies towards you? haha
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Feb 7, 2012 15:30:42 GMT -5
Geez, I didn't expect this to turn into this kind of debate. For what it's worth, I still don't think Miz should be released or sent down to FCW. However, as I said earlier, someone needs to be held accountable, whether that be Truth or Miz. Last nights Raw was a good example of what can happen on a sloppy night. People get hurt.
And as for the Beth and Bryan comparisons, yes I also believe there should be some punishment for Beth as well. I know she works a "rough" style, but lately it seems like she's becoming reckless. A broken nose isn't much in the grand scheme of things, but I don't want the WWE going back to the days of stiff shots and injuries everywhere. It can all probably be chalked up to an "off" night.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 7, 2012 15:41:33 GMT -5
Looking at the video several times, Miz doesn't step to the right much. He does move his leg a tiny bit to the back. His body weight shifts as he's getting up, which is normal body mechanics, but what I think is clear is that the Miz wasn't in a position yet to take the move. He was still getting up and it would have been more risky than normal to try to salvage it. I don't think Daniel Bryan or CM Punk would have done something so differently that would have resulted in no bad botch there.
I know it's instinct when one person is injured in a botched spot involving another wrestler to blame the uninjured wrestler, but in this case, I just think R-Truth did the spot too soon and rotated too much, putting Miz in pretty much a place he couldn't complete it. Looking back, there are probably things Miz could have done, but in the heat of the moment, I don't think Miz did anything that other wrestlers wouldn't have one. I think it was just a mistimed spot.
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Post by deltarich on Feb 7, 2012 15:43:50 GMT -5
Clearly when Truth/Miz were tag partners they never worked on their trust falls together
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Post by HBL on Feb 7, 2012 16:04:40 GMT -5
Glad that Truth's okay.I do agree that it was Miz's fault,but some of people here are laughable.
''He should get released.''
I've never seen this much hate for a botch.
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Post by 67 more on Feb 7, 2012 16:30:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't believe it to be the fault of either man. Just an unfortunate accident. Truth does the hilo a nanosecond too early and Miz happens to lose his balance while getting up and fall to his right at that same nanosecond. Miz tries to catch Truth but at that point too much time has been lost in order for the move to be performed safely and Truth can't do anything about it because he's landing backfirst. Nasty but purely accidental.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Feb 7, 2012 16:32:27 GMT -5
Glad that Truth's okay.I do agree that it was Miz's fault,but some of people here are laughable. ''He should get released.'' I've never seen this much hate for a botch. Alicia Fox's flip leg drop to Beth Phoenix.
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Post by The OP on Feb 7, 2012 16:35:37 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think Miz should carry all the blame on this one. Truth was already springing into the air before Miz had even gotten to his feet. As has been mentioned before, Miz had already planted his left foot when Truth leaves the ground, so the only direction he can move as he stands up is right. His own momentum is taking him out of Truth's path and there was very little he could have done to change that. That's it? Even as a guy who thinks Miz could use more time in FCW and sees him as a main eventer in name only, that's not that bad. He was a little out of position and had like less than a second to decide what to do. At least he tried to make it look like he got hit and he took a big ass bump. Geez, people get so vicious around here I actually end up defending the Miz! Plus, now that we know that nobody was seriously hurt, who cares? Everybody makes Miztakes and nobody's Perfect but Curt Hennig.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Feb 7, 2012 16:48:15 GMT -5
I dont get the rationale of people who dislike Miz being part of a herd/trend followers. I haven't liked Miz since day one, and while I almost admire the guy now because of what he's been able to accomplish, I still would be "happy" to hear that he's been endeavored. He made a mistake, but people make mistakes and he's lucky Truth is not hurt.
If guys like Lance Storm and Shane Helms are calling Miz out for his botch, than everyone else is moot to me. In my own opinion, my first reaction was "WTF Miz".
I don't believe he should be fired for this though, just wouldnt be very sympathetic if he was.
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Post by JCBaggee on Feb 7, 2012 16:50:51 GMT -5
I don't know whether to be confused or amazed that this thread's turning into a photo and video and picture examination ala the JFK assassination: "There's Miz's body. Back and to the right, back and to the right, back and to the right, back into the right, back... and to the right." Yeah, it pretty much feels like that trying to explain it. Not sure if it was worth the effort, but people see what they wanna see, I guess. Believe what you want, but there had to have been another Superstar on the grassy knoll at ringside. ...no, wait, what?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 7, 2012 16:54:48 GMT -5
Yeah, it pretty much feels like that trying to explain it. Not sure if it was worth the effort, but people see what they wanna see, I guess. Believe what you want, but there had to have been another Superstar on the grassy knoll at ringside. ...no, wait, what? It was actually Lil' Jimmy. Don't you see? It's all a C-O-N... spiracy!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 7, 2012 16:57:11 GMT -5
Glad that Truth's okay.I do agree that it was Miz's fault,but some of people here are laughable. ''He should get released.'' I've never seen this much hate for a botch. Alicia Fox's flip leg drop to Beth Phoenix. Indeed. Hell, in the thread about Eve's injury, we've got some people saying that Beth should have intentionally broken Alicia's nose because Alicia accidentally hurt Beth.
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Feb 7, 2012 17:01:52 GMT -5
That was a rough landing for sure.
Miz is catching a lot of turd these days.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 7, 2012 17:13:49 GMT -5
I dont get the rationale of people who dislike Miz being part of a herd/trend followers. I haven't liked Miz since day one, and while I almost admire the guy now because of what he's been able to accomplish, I still would be "happy" to hear that he's been endeavored. He made a mistake, but people make mistakes and he's lucky Truth is not hurt. If guys like Lance Storm and Shane Helms are calling Miz out for his botch, than everyone else is moot to me. In my own opinion, my first reaction was "WTF Miz". I don't believe he should be fired for this though, just wouldnt be very sympathetic if he was. Storm also said Truth botched, and said it didn't make Miz an unsafe worker that this happened.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Feb 7, 2012 17:17:54 GMT -5
I dont get the rationale of people who dislike Miz being part of a herd/trend followers. I haven't liked Miz since day one, and while I almost admire the guy now because of what he's been able to accomplish, I still would be "happy" to hear that he's been endeavored. He made a mistake, but people make mistakes and he's lucky Truth is not hurt. If guys like Lance Storm and Shane Helms are calling Miz out for his botch, than everyone else is moot to me. In my own opinion, my first reaction was "WTF Miz". I don't believe he should be fired for this though, just wouldnt be very sympathetic if he was. Storm also said Truth botched, and said it didn't make Miz an unsafe worker that this happened. Nor did I. It was a mistake. But Miz bears the brunt of it and its pretty much consensus aside from msg boards.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 7, 2012 17:21:59 GMT -5
Storm also said Truth botched, and said it didn't make Miz an unsafe worker that this happened. Nor did I. It was a mistake. But Miz bears the brunt of it and its pretty much consensus aside from msg boards. Consensus doesn't mean it's right, and if a guy like Lance Storm is going to say that Truth had some responsibility for the botch as well, I think it's unfair to lay it all on Miz's shoulders like people are doing. They're using one of his tweets as evidence, but then ignoring the other one.
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Post by Legion on Feb 7, 2012 17:22:22 GMT -5
I don't really care about the words of someone who, while admittedly being a good worker, was not in the match, nor the words of a druggy/drunken idiot.
All that matters to me is what I can see, and from that gif, it was a mistake on both parts. Miz should have positioned himself better, but Truth should have looked before he jumped, as it was clear Miz was no where near where he was meant to be.
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Post by machomuta on Feb 7, 2012 17:25:19 GMT -5
Miz made no effort to catch Truth there.
Miz should be punished, he really did put Truth´s health on the line.
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Post by Legion on Feb 7, 2012 17:30:58 GMT -5
Miz made no effort to catch Truth there. Miz should be punished, he really did put Truth´s health on the line. Explain how he was meant to catch him? Truth jumped, not at him, but to where Miz was meant to be. Miz was out of position for that way before Truth jumped, thus putting the blame for this on them both, Miz for being too slow to get in the right place and Truth for jumping when he must have been able to see Miz wasnt even on his feet when he launched at him. By the time Miz was up, Truth was already over the ropes and flying through the air. The most Miz could have done was stick his arms right, or literally jump in to Truth, which would then have looked silly and fake, or broken his arms. He did the best he could in falling down and acting like he was hit proper, while Truth ended up fine anyway, but even had he not, he has some personal responsibility to take for making the decision to jump when he did.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Feb 7, 2012 17:34:03 GMT -5
Miz made no effort to catch Truth there. Miz should be punished, he really did put Truth´s health on the line. Explain how he was meant to catch him? Truth jumped, not at him, but to where Miz was meant to be. Miz was out of position for that way before Truth jumped, thus putting the blame for this on them both, Miz for being too slow to get in the right place and Truth for jumping when he must have been able to see Miz wasnt even on his feet when he launched at him. By the time Miz was up, Truth was already over the ropes and flying through the air. The most Miz could have done was stick his arms right, or literally jump in to Truth, which would then have looked silly and fake, or broken his arms. He did the best he could in falling down and acting like he was hit proper, while Truth ended up fine anyway, but even had he not, he has some personal responsibility to take for making the decision to jump when he did. I'd say Truth more than paid for his mistake, if it was his fault, with that landing.
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