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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 7, 2012 17:40:49 GMT -5
Normally with these spots, they often look a bit fake or staged as the guy on the ground tends to be left standing there for a couple of seconds looking gormless, waiting for the guy in the ring to jump out onto them. However at least this means they are safe landings despite looking fake.
This one looked real...because Truth jumped when Miz had only been on his feet for about 0.5 of a second. I blame Truth just as much as Miz here, he jumped waaaay too early.
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 7, 2012 17:46:45 GMT -5
Rewatched that Gif about 20 times. Fail to see any fault in Truth's movements, and plenty in Miz's.
Yes, it was an accident. But if someone is to play, it's Miz for getting up in the wrong position.
Truth looks, sees Miz about to get up, and goes into the move. Miz then gets up in the wrong position (plant his foot and ending up to the right). An accident, of course.
Sure, it could've been prevented if Truth waited, but let's face it, that would've been called a botch or bad timing. Truth waiting until Miz fully stood and looked up 'ready' for the move would've been crapped on just the same. He was keeping pace with the match.
As for Truth "Over-rotating" that's possible, but then again, he is expecting someone to do ANYTHING to help him besides Jazz Hands and a Backwards Roll.
So, recapping my thoughts:
Accident, Yes.
Miz, Mostly at fault.
No one should be fired.
If Truth had been hurt to the point he couldn't have competed at the PPV, then Miz should've been pulled, too.
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Post by norsisclouds on Feb 7, 2012 18:52:07 GMT -5
That was horrible. Saw on twitter (Don't tell the WWE) where Shane Helms and Lance Storm both made comment on how it was his fault. It was pretty obvious he even slightly moved out of the way (which I'm sure was by accident) but holy crap it was an obvious botch. I was watching it at home and immediately yelled out: "f*** that guy, he just killed R-Truth" Then again it doesn't help that I can't stand the Miz and R-Truth is clearly the superior wrestler.
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Post by theautumnmassacre on Feb 7, 2012 18:55:26 GMT -5
Hopefully Truth will recover. Miz has been botching moves recently, hopefully he improves. I don't want to see an awesome superstar handed his future endeavours.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Feb 7, 2012 19:03:14 GMT -5
Rewatched that Gif about 20 times. Fail to see any fault in Truth's movements, and plenty in Miz's. Yes, it was an accident. But if someone is to play, it's Miz for getting up in the wrong position. Truth looks, sees Miz about to get up, and goes into the move. Miz then gets up in the wrong position (plant his foot and ending up to the right). An accident, of course. Sure, it could've been prevented if Truth waited, but let's face it, that would've been called a botch or bad timing. Truth waiting until Miz fully stood and looked up 'ready' for the move would've been crapped on just the same. He was keeping pace with the match. As for Truth "Over-rotating" that's possible, but then again, he is expecting someone to do ANYTHING to help him besides Jazz Hands and a Backwards Roll. So, recapping my thoughts: Accident, Yes. Miz, Mostly at fault. No one should be fired. If Truth had been hurt to the point he couldn't have competed at the PPV, then Miz should've been pulled, too. Agreed 100%. You articulated that a lot better than I would have been able to. ;D
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 8, 2012 0:41:11 GMT -5
I can't believe people are actually defending this when you can see the footage in slow motion over and over again. He clearly moves because he's worried about getting hit, even though Truth is doing the waaaay more dangerous move. All he has to do is catch him or at least break his fall somehow. He frickin almost dives out of the way!
It's plain as day. Miz is more worried about hurting himself than protecting his partner. That attitude should be a death knell for any pro-wrestler.
Accidents happen but this didn't look like one to me.
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Post by norsisclouds on Feb 8, 2012 0:44:57 GMT -5
I can't believe people are actually defending this when you can see the footage in slow motion over and over again. He clearly moves because he's worried about getting hit, even though Truth is doing the waaaay more dangerous move. All he has to do is catch him or at least break his fall somehow. He frickin almost dives out of the way! It's plain as day. Miz is worried about hurting himself more than protecting his partner. That attitude should be a death knell for any pro-wrestler. Accidents happen but this didn't look like one to me. I thought about that too when I saw it...like maybe he had a flash of indecision and forgot his job is to protect the other wrestler. It explains why Lance Storm reacted the way that he did on Twitter.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 8, 2012 0:50:19 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think Miz should carry all the blame on this one. Truth was already springing into the air before Miz had even gotten to his feet. As has been mentioned before, Miz had already planted his left foot when Truth leaves the ground, so the only direction he can move as he stands up is right. His own momentum is taking him out of Truth's path and there was very little he could have done to change that. Jesus christ. THAT is what people are crucifying Miz over? I've seen worse mistakes from guys that got off scott free. Looks to me like he didn't even have time to react as Truth jumped a little too early. And, what do you know, Truth isn't even hurt. Miz is getting a lot of criticism lately (some justified), but this is reaching "blind hatred" levels.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 8, 2012 1:04:39 GMT -5
Look at the footage! Not only does it look like he dodges, it looks like he shoves him away from him. How are some people not seeing this!
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 8, 2012 1:20:22 GMT -5
It looked to me like Miz wussed out and moved out of the way like he was scared or something, leading to a what could have been a career-threatening injury for R-Truth (thankfully it wasn't).
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Post by "American Dragon" on Feb 8, 2012 1:21:54 GMT -5
did miz get released yet?
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Feb 8, 2012 1:35:59 GMT -5
Miz has been in the WWE alone, what, six years? That's not even counting his time on the independents. He's done ladder spots, cage spots, and last year at WrestleMania, nearly got his head cracked open on concrete, which is a hell of a lot harder than padding. Forgive me if I don't buy the whole "me get scared, man fly at me" B.S.
He was out of the way, he didn't get in the way fast enough. That's all it was.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 8, 2012 1:40:33 GMT -5
Miz has been in the WWE alone, what, six years? That's not even counting his time on the independents. He's done ladder spots, cage spots, and last year at WrestleMania, nearly got his head cracked open on concrete, which is a hell of a lot harder than padding. Forgive me if I don't buy the whole "me get scared, man fly at me" B.S. He was out of the way, he didn't get in the way fast enough. That's all it was. According to some people, Miz is basically a 12 year old boy in the body of a pro wrestler.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 8, 2012 1:57:23 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that mistakes happen, and that its a matter of individual guys looking at what happened and trying to improve on it.
When Morrison and Cena botched the suplex on Miz from Extreme Rules (into a very ugly brainbuster that had the latter landing right on his neck) I don't recall anyone yelling about how the former two are incompetents who need to be let go.
When there's a pattern of Miz injuring guys, then we'll talk.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 8, 2012 4:12:53 GMT -5
I've never really had much of an opinion either way on Miz, but I've noticed that since Survivor Series there just seems to have been this sudden surge of criticism on the guy. And it probably really started to get heated back when WWE one week suddenly tried to push Miz as this cold and sinister career killer (when his character expertise is obviously as a pretentious trash-talking douchebag), and people just went "Yeah... no.".
The thing about Miz is that he's decent at everything without ever really truly excelling at anything. He's got solid in-ring skills and is worlds ahead of how he was early in his career, but he can go from having excellent matches (Falls Count Anywhere against John Morrison) to having terrible matches (WM27 against John Cena) seemingly at the flick of a switch. His mic work is good (again, worlds ahead of his early stuff), but he hasn't had many stand-out promos. The only one that comes to my mind straight away is the one he cut about his rise to the US Championship as he was walking from backstage to the ring. Otherwise he seems to rely a lot on catch phrases. He's got an OK look (I really miss the fedoras and bedazzled shorts, though) and character, but it could easily be so much more than cocky douchebag, and others are starting to outshine him in that regard (Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, even Daniel Bryan).
I'm not trying to justify what happened here with R-Truth (that said, I highly doubt that Miz intended to get R-Truth injured). I just find it interesting that, yet again, a guy went from being beloved by the majority, to being derided by the majority in a short space of time.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 8, 2012 4:34:46 GMT -5
Ok, I've been trashing Miz like crazy and have read the whole thread but one thing I never thought of is: What was Miz's landing like? Maybe he also hit his head and was groggy. In that case, Truth would share some blame for not waiting until he was sure Miz was ready. I need to see Miz's fall now before I keep condemning the guy.
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Post by Sparvid on Feb 8, 2012 5:05:41 GMT -5
I can't believe people are actually defending this when you can see the footage in slow motion over and over again. He clearly moves because he's worried about getting hit, even though Truth is doing the waaaay more dangerous move. All he has to do is catch him or at least break his fall somehow. He frickin almost dives out of the way! It's plain as day. Miz is more worried about hurting himself than protecting his partner. That attitude should be a death knell for any pro-wrestler. Accidents happen but this didn't look like one to me. Look at Miz's feet. How is that "diving out of the way"? He gets up and faces Truth the whole time, but Truth lands relatively far away from where Miz is standing, and it's not like he has time to simply take a step or two to the left during that fraction of a second.
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Post by Ryushinku on Feb 8, 2012 5:07:40 GMT -5
So Miz got rowdy, and moved something.
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Post by memphis25 on Feb 8, 2012 6:51:32 GMT -5
Jesus christ. THAT is what people are crucifying Miz over? I've seen worse mistakes from guys that got off scott free. Looks to me like he didn't even have time to react as Truth jumped a little too early. And, what do you know, Truth isn't even hurt. Miz is getting a lot of criticism lately (some justified), but this is reaching "blind hatred" levels. This is one of the worst attempts at catching someone in WWE history and you make it out to be blind hatred on the poor little Miz? It was a accident and he shouldn't be punished but get real dude Miz dropped the ball there big time here and Truth could been seriously injured and just because he wasn't doesn't make the halfhearted save OK.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 8, 2012 7:00:55 GMT -5
Jesus christ. THAT is what people are crucifying Miz over? I've seen worse mistakes from guys that got off scott free. Looks to me like he didn't even have time to react as Truth jumped a little too early. And, what do you know, Truth isn't even hurt. Miz is getting a lot of criticism lately (some justified), but this is reaching "blind hatred" levels. This is one of the worst attempts at catching someone in WWE history and you make it out to be blind hatred on the poor little Miz? It was a accident and he shouldn't be punished but get real dude Miz dropped the ball there big time here and Truth could been seriously injured and just because he wasn't doesn't make the halfhearted save OK. Evidently you and I see it differently. You see Miz failing to catch Truth, I see Miz not being able to respond in time. We'll never know for sure since we aren't wrestlers and weren't in either mans shoes. And yes, actually, since no-one got hurt, it does make Miz's supposed "half hearted catch" okay.
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