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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 22:39:42 GMT -5
My girlfriend moved in with me about two years ago and has watched wrestling with me religiously ever since. She immediately took to the Divas division and, despite being fans of Natalya and Beth, has been really disappointed that as they go on this "anti-Barbie doll" campaign, they have started dolling themselves up more than ever. I'm glad to see the Bellas point this hypocrisy out. The Bellas have improved A LOT dating back to when they were coaches on NXT. Kelly still has a long way to go, but it's flat out stupid to say you can't look like they look and still be a credible women's wrestler. Trish and Lita looked more similar to Kelly and the Bellas than they did to Beth and Natalya, and no one questions their credibility. There is a lot of potential in the Divas division, and this article is just nonsense. I also want to go on record as saying I love everything about Naomi and I think she's a better wrestler than any woman on the main roster right now. Her match with A.J. on NXT is, in my opinion, an incredibly overlooked match. Agreed on everything. About the only Diva I can't enjoy is Kelly Kelly. And Eve when she has her ass seizure moonsaults. The main problem with the women wrestlers in WWE isn't their quality, but that they don't get any time to have proper storylines or matches. Most of them have the right characters - Beth and Natalya are powerhouses, Bellas are the twin heels cheating to win, AJ is the fast-paced face, etc. but they get 5 minute matches. It just doesn't work.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 4, 2011 23:47:14 GMT -5
Along with building a stronger roster of women who can actually work good matches, WWE also needs to create consistency between who's a face and who's a heel. With Divas, sometimes I think they can randomly turn from week to week...and then back again, with either no explanation, or weak ones.
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Post by thecrocksays on Sept 5, 2011 0:16:41 GMT -5
Trish and Lita got in, got what they wanted, and got out with their health and (according to what JR has said in the past) a fair amount of money in the bank. Neither of them got out to seek further fame and fortune (for the most part) they just followed their passions. Lita with her music and Trish with her yoga studio (which took time to get set up and get going as with any business). Um, Trish obviously got out to try and become more famous. I like how people always say she left to "open a yoga studio", like that's all she's trying to do. Reality shows, TV spots, fitness video games, movies... any of that ring a bell? She clearly sees a lot more value in her name than WWE does, as they never allowed her or any of the other female talent to branch out much after Chyna and Sable blew up in their faces. Trish is just the most obvious example. Go down the line and you'll see a bunch of women that were slighted by them in other ways. They have driven away most of their female talent over the years, with no real incentive to be loyal to them. WWE sees women as expendable. Fair enough. But don't turn around and say "what's wrong with the divas?" in some online article. Work or not, that's their own damn fault.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Sept 5, 2011 0:25:58 GMT -5
The main problem with the women wrestlers in WWE isn't their quality, but that they don't get any time to have proper storylines or matches. Most of them have the right characters - Beth and Natalya are powerhouses, Bellas are the twin heels cheating to win, AJ is the fast-paced face, etc. but they get 5 minute matches. It just doesn't work. This is just right. Are the matches even 5 minutes? How could anyone get invested in a 5 minute match that has nothing riding on it and no storyline implications whatsoever? How good CAN that get? My brother suggested that NXT be replaced with a Diva's show, to give them stories and more time to work matches. Personally, I'd like to see it.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 5, 2011 0:42:14 GMT -5
I love the new era of Kayfabe.
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Post by blake6905 on Sept 5, 2011 0:46:21 GMT -5
I was interested in the divas when Kharma showed up, and I had no idea who she was before. but now that she got pregnant by Jim Ross we gotta wait 9 months to see her again
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 5, 2011 1:07:19 GMT -5
The article is right; but it's odd that the WWE would be the ones to publish it.
Making your talent look bad, justified or not, is a weird thing to do.
Then again, they do that with half the people on their roster; then cut them when they "can't get over".
Such a weird business model.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 5, 2011 3:17:32 GMT -5
The article is right; but it's odd that the WWE would be the ones to publish it. Making your talent look bad, justified or not, is a weird thing to do. Then again, they do that with half the people on their roster; then cut them when they "can't get over". Such a weird business model. Makes you wonder how the Bellas still have jobs with the ratings drops that seem to always come when they're on tv
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Post by PKO on Sept 5, 2011 4:17:32 GMT -5
Trish and Lita got in, got what they wanted, and got out with their health and (according to what JR has said in the past) a fair amount of money in the bank. Neither of them got out to seek further fame and fortune (for the most part) they just followed their passions. Lita with her music and Trish with her yoga studio (which took time to get set up and get going as with any business). Um, Trish obviously got out to try and become more famous. I like how people always say she left to "open a yoga studio", like that's all she's trying to do. Reality shows, TV spots, fitness video games, movies... any of that ring a bell? She clearly sees a lot more value in her name than WWE does, as they never allowed her or any of the other female talent to branch out much after Chyna and Sable blew up in their faces. . She didn't leave to become more famous. She's done other stuff in the media..so what? Most of the stuff she does is to promote her business anyway. She hosted the Canadian Walk of Fame while in WWE, it's not like they had her on a leash.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 5, 2011 5:06:00 GMT -5
All they really need to do is show that the Divas are worth giving a damn about. I mean, how do you expect the fans to care about something when you clearly don't (God, that applies to a lot of WWE these days)?
One thing they could do is put them in TV main events again. Not in one-on-one matches (at least not until they can get more top quality wrestlers), but a match like... say... Cena/Eve v Del Rio/Phoenix would do wonders for the girls.
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Post by #RUDO Coco Del Rio on Sept 5, 2011 5:56:31 GMT -5
Integration with the men would be really, really nice. The only one who's interacting with the men right now is Vickie and to a certain extent, Maryse, on NXT. And they can both garner reactions.
EDIT: Forgot about AJ and Maxine. Again, from what I've seen, they can garner some reaction on NXT.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 5, 2011 6:41:06 GMT -5
The problem is if the divas get highlighted more people will starting complaining about them taking too much focus from the guys. And if WWE is anything like THQ then they are the people they will listen to.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Sept 5, 2011 10:19:13 GMT -5
Trish and Lita both wanted out(Lita especially what with the bad neck and all). Both had outside projects waiting in the wings. Even if WWE tried hard to resign them, most likely would have been futile. It was hardly a "WWE allowed it to" problem. See. that's just it though. Why did they want out? Trish's post-wrestling career only started picking up steam when she opened her yoga studio. Before that the only thing she did were a couple of failed reality shows. Lita had even less on the table. I could see her wanting time off to rest up or let the Edge scandal die down, but she just flat out retired. If WWE can't even keep their biggest female stars happy, to me that's a sign of how little they regard them. Well, it's quite possible that they, like Chris Jericho and RVD, were just plain burned out. They both had outside interests, so why not save the beating on your body and persue those outside interests fully?
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Post by thecrocksays on Sept 5, 2011 11:31:20 GMT -5
Um, Trish obviously got out to try and become more famous. I like how people always say she left to "open a yoga studio", like that's all she's trying to do. Reality shows, TV spots, fitness video games, movies... any of that ring a bell? She clearly sees a lot more value in her name than WWE does, as they never allowed her or any of the other female talent to branch out much after Chyna and Sable blew up in their faces. . She didn't leave to become more famous. She's done other stuff in the media..so what? Most of the stuff she does is to promote her business anyway. She hosted the Canadian Walk of Fame while in WWE, it's not like they had her on a leash. Funny that you mention the Canadian award show. That was probably the one time WWE did allow her to branch out, and guess what happened? Less than a month later it was revealed that she wasn't renewing her contract. I'm sure there is no connection at all Trish was just smarter than the other divas, because she didn't start doing these things until after she was out of the company. If she went about it like Stacy or Maria, her exit from the company would have went a lot differently.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Sept 5, 2011 15:58:30 GMT -5
Maybe WWE should spend less time on recap packages, and more time on their wrestlers, male and female.
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Post by avenger on Sept 5, 2011 17:46:22 GMT -5
The Bellas have improved A LOT dating back to when they were coaches on NXT. Kelly still has a long way to go, but it's flat out stupid to say you can't look like they look and still be a credible women's wrestler. Trish and Lita looked more similar to Kelly and the Bellas than they did to Beth and Natalya, and no one questions their credibility. Kelly Kelly signed a developmental contract at the start of 2006, and still hasn't reached the point where she looks green. Comapre that to Trish, who by the same point in her career was carrying the likes of Christy Hemme (who had not long won Diva Search) to watchable matches. In fact, Christy Hemme was a better wrestler after six months than Kelly Kelly is after almost six years.
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Post by avenger on Sept 5, 2011 17:46:39 GMT -5
Trish and Lita both wanted out(Lita especially what with the bad neck and all). Both had outside projects waiting in the wings. Even if WWE tried hard to resign them, most likely would have been futile. It was hardly a "WWE allowed it to" problem. See. that's just it though. Why did they want out? Trish's post-wrestling career only started picking up steam when she opened her yoga studio. Before that the only thing she did were a couple of failed reality shows. Lita had even less on the table. I could see her wanting time off to rest up or let the Edge scandal die down, but she just flat out retired. If WWE can't even keep their biggest female stars happy, to me that's a sign of how little they regard them. That's like saying they don't regard the male stars because Batista and Jericho left.
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Post by percymania on Sept 5, 2011 17:54:03 GMT -5
this article and everything associated with it seems like kayfabe to me. the outrage!
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Post by thecrocksays on Sept 5, 2011 18:16:00 GMT -5
See. that's just it though. Why did they want out? Trish's post-wrestling career only started picking up steam when she opened her yoga studio. Before that the only thing she did were a couple of failed reality shows. Lita had even less on the table. I could see her wanting time off to rest up or let the Edge scandal die down, but she just flat out retired. If WWE can't even keep their biggest female stars happy, to me that's a sign of how little they regard them. That's like saying they don't regard the male stars because Batista and Jericho left. The analogy doesn't work because Trish and Lita were the only two divas that WWE treated like real stars. A better analogy would be if Cena just decided to quit one day. I guess I'm the only one that sees it that way. Oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 18:51:13 GMT -5
Joey Styles and WWE have ruined this storyline on twitter.
"CHECK OUT THE STORY THAT MAKES DIVAS ANGRY!"
If it wasn't a storyline, they'd never be promoting it.
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