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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Oct 13, 2011 15:35:27 GMT -5
Kinda late to the party, but...
This thread should have been titled, "MLB Thread 82: Albert Pujols: "We comin' fo you, Nyjer!""
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 17:41:37 GMT -5
Delmon Young gives the Tigers a 6-2 lead.
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Post by stealthamo on Oct 13, 2011 18:01:33 GMT -5
So, where has this Tigers offense been?
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 13, 2011 18:01:42 GMT -5
A source told ESPN New York that the Rangers are preparing to make a strong bid for CC Sabathia if he opts out of his contract with the Yankees this winter.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Oct 13, 2011 18:02:40 GMT -5
"MLB Thread 82: Hey, Hey, Hey, it's Phat Albert!"
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Post by Tyfo on Oct 13, 2011 18:20:22 GMT -5
At least Nellie gave Verlander a f*** you sendoff.
Small victories in a shitty game like this.
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Post by stealthamo on Oct 13, 2011 18:28:02 GMT -5
Alright, I missed the top of the 8th, but why do you leave Verlander in? He was already around 120 pitches after the 7th, and even though Benoit and Valverde aren't available, you still have Coke, Perry, Alburquerque, etc. to pitch.
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Post by BlahBlah on Oct 13, 2011 20:49:39 GMT -5
Alright, I missed the top of the 8th, but why do you leave Verlander in? He was already around 120 pitches after the 7th, and even though Benoit and Valverde aren't available, you still have Coke, Perry, Alburquerque, etc. to pitch. I didn't mind it. If we do somehow find a way to win this series, Verlander will be plenty rested for the world series. And I don't know about you but Al Al has sucked in the postseason and Perry is flat out miserable.
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Post by stealthamo on Oct 13, 2011 21:12:29 GMT -5
Alright, I missed the top of the 8th, but why do you leave Verlander in? He was already around 120 pitches after the 7th, and even though Benoit and Valverde aren't available, you still have Coke, Perry, Alburquerque, etc. to pitch. I didn't mind it. If we do somehow find a way to win this series, Verlander will be plenty rested for the world series. And I don't know about you but Al Al has sucked in the postseason and Perry is flat out miserable. Yeah, that's true. Alburquerque has been sketchy for sure, as has Perry. Coke I trust, but I'm not confident about Schlereth either to be honest. And as for Brad Penny, no. Just no. So to sum up, I don't trust a good chunk of our bullpen. Always a good sign.
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Post by bogey316 on Oct 13, 2011 22:30:33 GMT -5
Starting to see shades of Bernie Williams in Nelson Cruz here. All he needs is a guitar. ;D Ah, man, to see Valverde get pounded like that is awesome. Take your punishment, you overrated pitcher, you. Man, that 0.60 ERA and being 52 for 52 in save situations this year sure is overrated.
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Post by BlahBlah on Oct 13, 2011 22:50:35 GMT -5
All he needs is a guitar. ;D Ah, man, to see Valverde get pounded like that is awesome. Take your punishment, you overrated pitcher, you. Man, that 0.60 ERA and being 52 for 52 in save situations this year sure is overrated. I'm really glad you pointed that out.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 13, 2011 22:52:05 GMT -5
If by 0.60 ERA and 52 saves, you mean 2.24 ERA and 49 saves, then yes. Though perfect's perfect.
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Post by stealthamo on Oct 13, 2011 23:05:09 GMT -5
If by 0.60 ERA and 52 saves, you mean 2.24 ERA and 49 saves, then yes. Though perfect's perfect. Pretty sure that: 1. He's going by save situations only. 2. Adding the postseason saves. I will admit, when Valverde's in, I'm confident he's shutting the door. I never felt that way with any other Tigers' closers *coughToddJonescough*. But if it's a non-save situation, he sucks horrendously.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 13, 2011 23:10:56 GMT -5
I don't like mingling postseason stats with regular season stats. The postseason is way too different in both how the games are played and the mentality of players.
I think the thing with Valverde that causes a lot of people to call him "overrated" is that he really doesn't have clean innings. He ultimately gets the job done, and that's saying something, but he never makes it easy on himself. It's sorta like how David Robertson will get himself into trouble and ultimately get out of it, though Robertson's not a closer and has a much better season ERA (2.20 vs 1.08) and even WHIP (1.189 vs 1.125). Though Valverde's got a few more innings pitched.
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Post by stealthamo on Oct 13, 2011 23:23:00 GMT -5
I don't like mingling postseason stats with regular season stats. The postseason is way too different in both how the games are played and the mentality of players. I think the thing with Valverde that causes a lot of people to call him "overrated" is that he really doesn't have clean innings. He ultimately gets the job done, and that's saying something, but he never makes it easy on himself. It's sorta like how David Robertson will get himself into trouble and ultimately get out of it, though Robertson's not a closer and has a much better season ERA (2.20 vs 1.08) and even WHIP (1.189 vs 1.125). Though Valverde's got a few more innings pitched. I do agree with the splitting of regular season and postseason stats. It's just a different atmosphere. And as far as the whole clean innings thing, I'll be the first to say that half the time he's out there, he nearly blows it, making it especially stressful late in the season. But ultimately, he'll get the job done almost every time. Like I said before, it's a nice change of pace from a Todd Jones or a Fernando Rodney. I also completely get the whole celebration thing after a game. Kinda comparable to what Papelbon does (or used to do at least). And I know the only reason I don't mind it is because he's a Tiger. It's much like when Rasheed was on the Pistons. Sure, he was an asshole, but he was our asshole, and we loved him for it. It's the same with Valverde, at least in my eyes.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 13, 2011 23:24:17 GMT -5
You know, I'm not normally a spiteful fan, but I'm fully ok with the Cards losing tonight's game as long as we win tomorrow and punch our ticket to the WS on enemy soil. I really have nothing against the Crew, but the ensuing silence from Brewers fans will be music to my ears.
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Post by S-Chrome on Oct 14, 2011 0:09:10 GMT -5
Yes, I know that saves in save opportunities, wins, and ERA are just hallmark stats that determine whether a pitcher is good or not. But I do know that a good closer, much less a good relief pitcher, isn't going to give up as many runs in as recording outs. You won't see Neftali Feliz pitch like absolute garbage when a save situation is not in effect. Ditto to most closing pitchers. I mean, the closer is allegedly the best relief pitcher on a pitching staff, right? I mean, not just the guy who finishes the game. But nah, I'll just let the 52 out of 52 put Jose Valverde up and above the many relievers that have been and still are better than he is.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 14, 2011 0:58:56 GMT -5
I'm not going to comment on Valverde until I've seen more of his numbers, but ERA is an unreliable enough stat for starters, it's doubly unreliable for relievers (barring extreme numbers, either very low or very high).
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Oct 14, 2011 4:58:50 GMT -5
You know, I'm not normally a spiteful fan, but I'm fully ok with the Cards losing tonight's game as long as we win tomorrow and punch our ticket to the WS on enemy soil. I really have nothing against the Crew, but the ensuing silence from Brewers fans will be music to my ears. As long as LaRussa continues to act like a classless dbag, their will never be silence from Brewer fans or any non Card NL Central fan.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 14, 2011 5:12:13 GMT -5
As long as LaRussa continues to act like a classless dbag, their will never be silence from Brewer fans or any non Card NL Central fan. I can't fault them for that either, even a lot of Cards fans use his name in vain. I'd never give any NL Central fan crap for busting on LaRussa. Definitely more power to them. Just kills me the bastard won't fess up to his own mistakes and then ran whiny boy Rasmus out of town to boot. (Wouldn't that be a bitch if LaRussa ran Rasmus out of town and LaRussa bolts himself after this year?) I just want the loss to kick Brewers fans right in the groin where they go back into hibernation until the team is any good again. I never met a Brewers fan until they traded for Sabathia and made the playoffs...and acted like they were king s***. You'd think they had won the World Series for five years straight. Not all Brewers fans necessarily, just 99% of them I've come across. I don't even hate the team and wish them well...they've got a great team...I'm just tired of vile garbage coming out of their fans mouths every time they discuss my team and their players. (Except Nyjer Morgan...screw that guy.) I think I better leave it off at that though. I've tried to take the high road since the Crew fans have started coming back out of the woodwork.
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