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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 11:41:56 GMT -5
Regarding the OP: 30 years is a long time. Biff could have gone to therapy in that time. Plus it was the 50's. 'Rape' wasn't ever a thing back then like it is now. I mean it was a thing, but no one recognized it as something bad until the 90's. Yeah, in those days he would have been considered "forceful" not a disgusting rapist. Ah, the good old days. And our grandparents want them back why?
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 14, 2011 11:43:59 GMT -5
Regarding the OP: 30 years is a long time. Biff could have gone to therapy in that time. Plus it was the 50's. 'Rape' wasn't ever a thing back then like it is now. I mean it was a thing, but no one recognized it as something bad until the 90's. Yeah, in those days he would have been considered "forceful" not a disgusting rapist. Ah, the good old days. And our grandparents want them back why? Alzheimer's
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Post by The QC Loser on Dec 14, 2011 11:54:21 GMT -5
Come on guys lets calm down in this thread. I don't want any trouble from no reefer addicts.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 14, 2011 12:18:11 GMT -5
Maybe George was incredibly forgiving?
That might explain why he hires a guy who tried to rape his future wife, and why he doesn't seem that concerned that his son looks identical to a guy he and Lorraine knew in the mid 1950's.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 14, 2011 13:09:11 GMT -5
On the point about Calvin Klein...you're saying you vividly and perfectly remember everyone you knew (even if it was someone important) from 30 years ago? It's not that much of a stretch for them to not "notice the resemblance." No I don't. Though I'd remember the guy who got me together with my wife, invented rock and roll, and suggested the name of one of my kids, got me into publishing my stories and apparently inspired one. Marty isn't some peripheral character in their lives, he became central to their lives.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 14, 2011 13:57:19 GMT -5
They also don't recognize that Marty is Calvin Klein. You'd think they would remember the dude who was responsible for getting them together. That isn't something you would forget. You'd think George would at least suspect infidelity. To quote the Cracked article that brought up this plothole: "If my son ends up looking a guy my wife and I knew in high school then my first thought wouldn't be wacky time traveling hijinks." I don't think that's the exact quote but you get the point.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 14, 2011 14:07:35 GMT -5
Regarding the OP: 30 years is a long time. Biff could have gone to therapy in that time. Plus it was the 50's. 'Rape' wasn't ever a thing back then like it is now. I mean it was a thing, but no one recognized it as something bad until the 90's. Yeah, in those days he would have been considered "forceful" not a disgusting rapist. Ah, the good old days. And our grandparents want them back why? So rape was just something that would get you punched in the face, unless you were a reefer addict. Makes sense.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Dec 14, 2011 14:18:41 GMT -5
You put Plutoneum in the engine, duh. Plutonium doesn't run the engine, just the flux capacitor hence needing gas in BTTF3 Glad you brought that up. When going through the trouble of getting the Deloren to move with a broken gas line, why couldn't they just switch it with the OTHER one Doc buried in that cave months before? Sorry, this has bothered me for years.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 14, 2011 14:19:49 GMT -5
Plutonium doesn't run the engine, just the flux capacitor hence needing gas in BTTF3 Glad you brought that up. When going through the trouble of getting the Deloren to move with a broken gas line, why couldn't they just switch it with the OTHER one Doc buried in that cave months before? Sorry, this has bothered me for years. Because Marty has to find that Delorean in the future.
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Post by LastCall on Dec 14, 2011 14:27:04 GMT -5
Glad you brought that up. When going through the trouble of getting the Deloren to move with a broken gas line, why couldn't they just switch it with the OTHER one Doc buried in that cave months before? Sorry, this has bothered me for years. Because Marty has to find that Delorean in the future. It also had broken parts.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 14, 2011 14:38:18 GMT -5
Because Marty has to find that Delorean in the future. It also had broken parts. Could have switched the parts of the two cars, and put one back in the cave...
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Post by LastCall on Dec 14, 2011 14:46:54 GMT -5
It also had broken parts. Could have switched the parts of the two cars, and put one back in the cave... Could they have done it in 3 days? And if they could, would they have the proper tools to do so? Remember, replacement parts wouldn't be invented until years later. Tools required to install those parts might not have been invented either. Or maybe I'm just overthinking things.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 14, 2011 14:48:53 GMT -5
Could have switched the parts of the two cars, and put one back in the cave... Could they have done it in 3 days? And if they could, would they have the proper tools to do so? Remember, replacement parts wouldn't be invented until years later. Tools required to install those parts might not have been invented either. Or maybe I'm just overthinking things. Depends on what the problem was with the one in the cave. If it was just circuitry they could have done it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 14, 2011 14:55:09 GMT -5
Why didn't they just give Mad Dog his $80?
Thus saving them the trouble of fighting him and rushing to get the Delorean back to 1985?
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 14, 2011 14:58:46 GMT -5
I honestly think Biff came that way after years of ritual abuse and mind games from a newly confident George McFly
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Dec 14, 2011 14:59:31 GMT -5
Why didn't they just give Mad Dog his $80? Thus saving them the trouble of fighting him and rushing to get the Delorean back to 1985? $80 was like $800 in 1885
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 14, 2011 15:02:32 GMT -5
I agree with the OP.
Another is that George is successful as a science fiction writer and has apparently wrote and published a book based on his visit from "Darth Vader". How could he publish such a book with things obviously (by that point) taken from other popular science fiction sources? Did he go on TV claiming that George Lucas must have been visited by real space aliens too?
I also wonder if it occurred to him that both Darth Vader and Calvin Klein were trying to get him together with Loraine and as such they were one and the same. Maybe he later thought Calvin was a space alien in human form?
Marty's mom says that "Marty is a good name" but doesn't think to actually name her kid that until the third one she has?
I'd say the biggest plot hole is that the McFly family are no longer losers and yet too many things are still the same. Yeah his brother no longer works at McDonald's and his sister has multiple boyfriends now but large chunks of Marty's past would not have happened if he had come from a successful family.
Would he even still be with the same girlfriend? Would they be living in the same house? Realistically I'd imagine them if not living in a totally different house all the things in Marty's room would probably be different (as they could afford more), he might not even be friends with Doc (as he doesn't need to bum off his amps), and so forth.
Why was his older brother still living at home?
If you look at it as a stand alone movie I guess it's OK but since they did the two sequels it stands out more. Like in BTTF Part II he says that he doesn't remember bars being on Jennifer's windows but there would have been 1,000s of things different from the original 1985 and the one he came back to at the end of the first film, let alone the alternate 1985 that Biff creates. It's not as if he had much time to see all those differences because Doc shows up again so quickly to take him to the future.
Lastly I wonder if future Marty from 2015 ever thought about somehow getting the DeLoreon again to go back in time and keep that accident from happening. I assume Doc was dead at that point but what happened to the time machine? Destroyed by that train? Where was the locomotive time machine in 2015? I haven't really played the newish video game but I know the DeLoreon was there even though it supposedly takes place after the events of Part III. Was there an explanation?
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 14, 2011 15:11:11 GMT -5
It also had broken parts. Could have switched the parts of the two cars, and put one back in the cave... I think the problem is not the gas line so much as not having gas. Yes they could put the unbroken gas line on the DeLoreon with the working time circuits or the working time circuits on the DeLoreon with with unbroken gasline BUT I'd assume that Doc would have drained out the gasoline from the DeLoreon before storing it in the mine for 100 years as that would gunk up bad sitting that long. It would of been nice if there was a line explaining that.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 14, 2011 15:40:22 GMT -5
I agree with the OP. Another is that George is successful as a science fiction writer and has apparently wrote and published a book based on his visit from "Darth Vader". How could he publish such a book with things obviously (by that point) taken from other popular science fiction sources? Did he go on TV claiming that George Lucas must have been visited by real space aliens too? I also wonder if it occurred to him that both Darth Vader and Calvin Klein were trying to get him together with Loraine and as such they were one and the same. Maybe he later thought Calvin was a space alien in human form? Marty's mom says that "Marty is a good name" but doesn't think to actually name her kid that until the third one she has? I'd say the biggest plot hole is that the McFly family are no longer losers and yet too many things are still the same. Yeah his brother no longer works at McDonald's and his sister has multiple boyfriends now but large chunks of Marty's past would not have happened if he had come from a successful family. Would he even still be with the same girlfriend? Would they be living in the same house? Realistically I'd imagine them if not living in a totally different house all the things in Marty's room would probably be different (as they could afford more), he might not even be friends with Doc (as he doesn't need to bum off his amps), and so forth. Why was his older brother still living at home? If you look at it as a stand alone movie I guess it's OK but since they did the two sequels it stands out more. Like in BTTF Part II he says that he doesn't remember bars being on Jennifer's windows but there would have been 1,000s of things different from the original 1985 and the one he came back to at the end of the first film, let alone the alternate 1985 that Biff creates. It's not as if he had much time to see all those differences because Doc shows up again so quickly to take him to the future. Lastly I wonder if future Marty from 2015 ever thought about somehow getting the DeLoreon again to go back in time and keep that accident from happening. I assume Doc was dead at that point but what happened to the time machine? Destroyed by that train? Where was the locomotive time machine in 2015? I haven't really played the newish video game but I know the DeLoreon was there even though it supposedly takes place after the events of Part III. Was there an explanation? One theory I've seen is that Marty changes to match the timeline like everyone else, so the character in 2 and 3 isn't the same guy from part 1. Whereas in the first one, he's the cocky kid who despairs at his downtrodden father and sees himself with unlimited potential and who WILL do better than his old man, he turns into someone with insecurities about measuring up to his successful father, who's life changed because of throwing a punch at the bully. That's why he suddenly is more insecure in the other films, a bit more agressive, he'll take a fight, and the whole 'chicken' thing comes up when in the first one he'd think around problems.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 14, 2011 15:57:27 GMT -5
I agree with the OP. Another is that George is successful as a science fiction writer and has apparently wrote and published a book based on his visit from "Darth Vader". How could he publish such a book with things obviously (by that point) taken from other popular science fiction sources? Did he go on TV claiming that George Lucas must have been visited by real space aliens too? I also wonder if it occurred to him that both Darth Vader and Calvin Klein were trying to get him together with Loraine and as such they were one and the same. Maybe he later thought Calvin was a space alien in human form? Marty's mom says that "Marty is a good name" but doesn't think to actually name her kid that until the third one she has? I'd say the biggest plot hole is that the McFly family are no longer losers and yet too many things are still the same. Yeah his brother no longer works at McDonald's and his sister has multiple boyfriends now but large chunks of Marty's past would not have happened if he had come from a successful family. Would he even still be with the same girlfriend? Would they be living in the same house? Realistically I'd imagine them if not living in a totally different house all the things in Marty's room would probably be different (as they could afford more), he might not even be friends with Doc (as he doesn't need to bum off his amps), and so forth. Why was his older brother still living at home? If you look at it as a stand alone movie I guess it's OK but since they did the two sequels it stands out more. Like in BTTF Part II he says that he doesn't remember bars being on Jennifer's windows but there would have been 1,000s of things different from the original 1985 and the one he came back to at the end of the first film, let alone the alternate 1985 that Biff creates. It's not as if he had much time to see all those differences because Doc shows up again so quickly to take him to the future. Lastly I wonder if future Marty from 2015 ever thought about somehow getting the DeLoreon again to go back in time and keep that accident from happening. I assume Doc was dead at that point but what happened to the time machine? Destroyed by that train? Where was the locomotive time machine in 2015? I haven't really played the newish video game but I know the DeLoreon was there even though it supposedly takes place after the events of Part III. Was there an explanation? One theory I've seen is that Marty changes to match the timeline like everyone else, so the character in 2 and 3 isn't the same guy from part 1. Whereas in the first one, he's the cocky kid who despairs at his downtrodden father and sees himself with unlimited potential and who WILL do better than his old man, he turns into someone with insecurities about measuring up to his successful father, who's life changed because of throwing a punch at the bully. That's why he suddenly is more insecure in the other films, a bit more agressive, he'll take a fight, and the whole 'chicken' thing comes up when in the first one he'd think around problems. That's a fair explanation. But I still wonder about George's book. Maybe he just changed the names?
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