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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 15, 2011 14:25:41 GMT -5
Shouldn't 2015 Marty of thought, "Hey isn't today the day that Doc and I arrive in the future?" and know that Jennifer was somewhere in the house?
It has also occurred to me regarding Marty's life being different after the events of the first movie that maybe he doesn't have the same girlfriend. Jennifer is played by a different actress in the second film so maybe she is a different person who happens to have the same name? A stretch I know but that could explain why she looks different.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 15, 2011 15:21:59 GMT -5
Shouldn't 2015 Marty of thought, "Hey isn't today the day that Doc and I arrive in the future?" and know that Jennifer was somewhere in the house? It has also occurred to me regarding Marty's life being different after the events of the first movie that maybe he doesn't have the same girlfriend. Jennifer is played by a different actress in the second film so maybe she is a different person who happens to have the same name? A stretch I know but that could explain why she looks different. Except the events at the end of the first film ("It's you kids, Marty!") are shown again at the beginning of the second film except Jennifer is now played by Elizabeth Shue. In fact I seem to recall that they had to reshoot the entire scene for that reason.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 15, 2011 15:46:45 GMT -5
To quote Doc Brown, they weren't thinking 4th dimensionally. In 1885 they just as easily could have pinned a note to the 1885 Delorian "PS. Marty will break the gas line, bring extra can of gas and replacement line." "P.P.S 1955 Doc, don't dress Marty like a tool, you should know better." BUUUUUUUUT If Doc did that then history would be changed even more, hell, Doc might not even meet Clara this way, he might stay in the past, get shot etc. After Doc makes the train, he knows it all works out best, why leave a message that will change the past and maybe screw it all up?
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 15, 2011 16:51:10 GMT -5
Shouldn't 2015 Marty of thought, "Hey isn't today the day that Doc and I arrive in the future?" and know that Jennifer was somewhere in the house? It has also occurred to me regarding Marty's life being different after the events of the first movie that maybe he doesn't have the same girlfriend. Jennifer is played by a different actress in the second film so maybe she is a different person who happens to have the same name? A stretch I know but that could explain why she looks different. Except the events at the end of the first film ("It's you kids, Marty!") are shown again at the beginning of the second film except Jennifer is now played by Elizabeth Shue. In fact I seem to recall that they had to reshoot the entire scene for that reason. Yeah, old Jennifer faded away and was replaced by new Jennifer as the new timeline caught up with the present. It was sort of like how Marty and his siblings were fading from that photo. Someone should edit the two "It's your kids!" scenes together with a fading effect. Not only does Marty end up with a different girlfriend named Jennifer (and with the same taste in clothes) Marty is also now a possible asshole. Marty asks Doc, What do we become assholes or something?. In the second film, Doc reacts as if he has to think about it first but he doesn't react in this way in the first film. TIME WAS REWRITTEN!
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 15, 2011 23:45:51 GMT -5
Except the events at the end of the first film ("It's you kids, Marty!") are shown again at the beginning of the second film except Jennifer is now played by Elizabeth Shue. In fact I seem to recall that they had to reshoot the entire scene for that reason. Yeah, old Jennifer faded away and was replaced by new Jennifer as the new timeline caught up with the present. It was sort of like how Marty and his siblings were fading from that photo. Someone should edit the two "It's your kids!" scenes together with a fading effect. Not only does Marty end up with a different girlfriend named Jennifer (and with the same taste in clothes) Marty is also now a possible asshole. Marty asks Doc, What do we become assholes or something?. In the second film, Doc reacts as if he has to think about it first but he doesn't react in this way in the first film. TIME WAS REWRITTEN! So how does Claudia Wells voicing Jennifer in the BTTF video game fit into this?
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 16, 2011 8:43:51 GMT -5
I don't remember any of that. Are you guys spoiling the game here? nope thats from the movies, 2nd one if my memory isnt broken Old Biff stole the almanac and gave it to young Biff to make money from gambling though...not currency. Not only am I not sure how that would even help young Biff, I don't remember them ever mentioning that Doc carried around currency from each time period. I'm not saying they didn't mention it, I just don't remember it at all. It definitely wasn't a prominent plot point like the almanac.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 9:11:52 GMT -5
no it was quickly mentioned once at the beginning of the second one. Doc pulled out a briefcase with money from all different time periods, hands him a fifty, and tells him to go buy a coke pretending to be his son. The briefcase as far as I know is never mentioned again.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 16, 2011 10:45:24 GMT -5
no it was quickly mentioned once at the beginning of the second one. Doc pulled out a briefcase with money from all different time periods, hands him a fifty, and tells him to go buy a coke pretending to be his son. The briefcase as far as I know is never mentioned again. Cool, thanks for clearing that up. I wonder if Doc collected all the money by traveling to those time periods or if he just happened to be a collector.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Dec 16, 2011 12:23:27 GMT -5
no it was quickly mentioned once at the beginning of the second one. Doc pulled out a briefcase with money from all different time periods, hands him a fifty, and tells him to go buy a coke pretending to be his son. The briefcase as far as I know is never mentioned again. Doc also used the briefcase when they went back to 1955 from alternate 1985 and gave 1955 money to Marty for him to buy a disguise.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 16, 2011 12:39:03 GMT -5
For arguably the most famous time-travel movie ever made, BttF is perhaps the sloppiest in terms of avoiding temporal paradoxes. Using alternate timelines in the second movie put them in a corner as far as how time works (the past is unchangeable but the future after the Delorean's construction has infinite variations). If they stuck to those rules throughout the trilogy things would be fine, but after the Almanac goes to Young Biff we should've seen an instant transformation in not only Old Biff (who would remember this meeting as a child with his older self in 1955, and who should've morphed into a wealthy old fogey as soon as Young Biff touched the Almanac just like the people disappeared from the photo when the past was being altered in BttF1) but also in 2015 while Marty and Jennifer were dealing with their future selves.
Since the movie shoehorns all alternate timelines into one prime timeline no matter what, the paradoxes were already present when Marty and Jennifer went to the future that wasn't already altered by Old Biff's Almanac shenanigans. Having Marty place the book in the Delorean for Old Biff to find in a throwaway 2015 timeline would never fly in a modern time-travel movie.
To date, the only movie that accurately depicts a 'LOST'-like time travel causality correctly IMHO is Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. One timeline, changes made in the past are already reflected in the present time (when Bill and Ted meet their future selves, then later end up saying the exact same things when THEY are the future selves), and quite simply whatever happened, happened (you can't change the past or alter the future via time travel, basically).
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Post by eukaryote on Dec 16, 2011 14:56:19 GMT -5
You mean the guy who was in their lives for a week, 30 years prior? Not to mention that their child is not going to enter the world as a fully formed Marty McFly. They're seeing their child develop gradually over many years. At what point are they supposed to think, "Hm, our third child looks like that one guy who was in our lives for one week thirty years ago and of whom, we have no photographic evidence"? Why would that thought even occur to someone? "Clearly our child is a time-travelling teen who went to elaborate lengths in order to get us together". Again, he wasn't just "some guy in their lives for a week". He got them together. Additionally, he may have been George's only friend up to that point and Lorraine developed a huge crush on him. I'm almost 32 and I can still tell you the names and descriptions of my middle school crushes. Even if they remember him, (a) It's been 30 years, (b) they had two children in-between, (c) they have no photographs of him, (d) why would anybody with a reasonable and rational mind conclude that their child is a time-traveller who went by the name "Calvin Klein" and made sure they were together and got married? It doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 16, 2011 15:00:47 GMT -5
Didn't Doc carry period era money around with him for all monetary possibilities? old biff stole it and gave it to young biff to make his millions in the 50's by gambling. That was "Grays Sports Almanac"
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 16, 2011 16:31:16 GMT -5
You mean the guy who was in their lives for a week, 30 years prior? Not to mention that their child is not going to enter the world as a fully formed Marty McFly. They're seeing their child develop gradually over many years. At what point are they supposed to think, "Hm, our third child looks like that one guy who was in our lives for one week thirty years ago and of whom, we have no photographic evidence"? Why would that thought even occur to someone? "Clearly our child is a time-travelling teen who went to elaborate lengths in order to get us together". Again, he wasn't just "some guy in their lives for a week". He got them together. Additionally, he may have been George's only friend up to that point and Lorraine developed a huge crush on him. I'm almost 32 and I can still tell you the names and descriptions of my middle school crushes. Human memory when it comes to personal descriptions is rather faulty... even for people that you would know intimately. They kind of address this in the Back to the Future game albeit with different characters. {Spoiler}In the game you go back to the 30's and help young Doc Brown get into science in the first place... at the end when you fix all the problems that you caused you hand him an envelope and tell him not to open it until he won the key to the city. He agrees and young Doc walks off.
A few moments later, Doc Brown shows up in the Delorean... and says I can't believe it was you who helped me... it's funny how the mind plays tricks I always remembered you taller.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Dec 16, 2011 18:34:26 GMT -5
old biff stole it and gave it to young biff to make his millions in the 50's by gambling. That was "Grays Sports Almanac" i know, but if there is a briefcase full of money that can be used, biff wouldnt think twice of taking it to alter his life/past. why waste your own cash when someone else's will do?
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 16, 2011 19:33:31 GMT -5
I doubt Biff was worrying about what was in that briefcase. He was too worried about giving his younger self the almanac.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 16, 2011 19:35:38 GMT -5
Again, he wasn't just "some guy in their lives for a week". He got them together. Additionally, he may have been George's only friend up to that point and Lorraine developed a huge crush on him. I'm almost 32 and I can still tell you the names and descriptions of my middle school crushes. Even if they remember him, (a) It's been 30 years, (b) they had two children in-between, (c) they have no photographs of him, (d) why would anybody with a reasonable and rational mind conclude that their child is a time-traveller who went by the name "Calvin Klein" and made sure they were together and got married? It doesn't make any sense. No one is saying they will immediately draw the conclusion their son was a time traveler who got them together. We are saying nobody goes, "wait a second...." Not the folks and not Biff. Someone would recognize him and at least ask a few basic questions, time traveler would be about the 7800th question asked. They don't wonder why Calvin Klein underwear suddenly becomes a huge deal in their lifetime nor why Chuck Berry is hugely popular doing a song Calvin did. Calvin Klein sort of becomes a big deal during his week. Someone, someone will remember something.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 16, 2011 23:46:51 GMT -5
That was "Grays Sports Almanac" i know, but if there is a briefcase full of money that can be used, biff wouldnt think twice of taking it to alter his life/past. why waste your own cash when someone else's will do? He may not have found that briefcase, and only the 1955 denominations would have been useful to him if he had.
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