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Post by repomanfan on Sept 25, 2011 12:46:20 GMT -5
I have a theory that it's because in the early years of ECW, the actual wrestling talent was almost nonexistant, and it made Shane Douglas seem great. Here was an athlete with an attitude problem amongst a bunch of idiots hitting each other in the head with old Nintendos. But in WWF or WCW, with the same gimmick he would be just another guy. Big fish in small pond. Nothing new there.
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Post by memphis25 on Sept 25, 2011 23:55:44 GMT -5
The main reason is just simply bad timing. He got over doing a gimmick that was made for attitude era but when he got signed by the WWF it was still the time of gimmicks so when he got heat and burnt his bridge there during his Dean Douglas run his fate was sealed.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Sept 26, 2011 0:10:34 GMT -5
He was talented, but not nearly talented enough to get away with the attitude he had, which seemed to be "Whenever something goes wrong in my career, it wasn't MY fault!". He seemed to have the worldview of "What can everyone in the business do for ME?", without really thinking of giving back all that much to it.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 26, 2011 0:41:21 GMT -5
-Also, why does everyone think Dean Douglas was a horrible gimmick? Shane could have made it work. Around the same time, there was another new gimmick called "Goldust" a homoerotic freak so obsessed with Hollywood stardom that he dresses up like an oscar. Guess which one of theses gimmicks should win a gooker award on paper. Dean Douglas. As Mick Foley said in his first book, a know-it-all professor can be kind of annoying but no one's going to buy a ticket to see a guy with a high vocabulary get beat up. Goldust, on the other hand, was a bizarre and unique gimmick. Really? There have been plenty of gimmicks based around 'I'm better than you' which have been very successful, it's just a variation on that.
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 26, 2011 8:03:06 GMT -5
I think a lot had to do with those in power. Some might be able to handle the backstage power of the klique in the long run if it helps them make money and get over but some couldn't, Bam Bam and Shane for example and I don't blame them. Edge may have been able to handle being soaped in the locker room but then there are others who wouldn't. As one of the more recent posters mentioned he had an attitude era gimmick, he was a little ahead of his time and had the gimmick in the outsider promotion. If he could only put up with a lot of the backstage politics maybe he could have continued with WWF but if I were Shane I'd rather be on the outside having pride in not staying than on the inside in the top promotion having to put up with the klique to get a spot the klique would find suitable for Vince to allow me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 10:11:51 GMT -5
Shane was his own worst enemy. He could have gone back to the WWE, but he burnt his bridge there. He didn't deserve the issues in the first place, but he could have gone the high road and came back after the klique was for the most part gone.
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Post by DavidArquette on Sept 26, 2011 12:11:47 GMT -5
he's a whiny bitch.
He's solid in the ring but, with the exception of the infamous 'era of extreme' promo his mic skills suck!
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Post by I *still* ✡ Johnny on Sept 26, 2011 12:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 26, 2011 12:33:08 GMT -5
Dean Douglas was an awesome character... just a Mr. Perfect variation, but with a twist. His word-defining promos were miles better than anything he did in ECW. Problem is, he got cut off at the knees just when he should have broken through, and he wasn't well-liked enough backstage to stay around and recover.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 26, 2011 13:33:19 GMT -5
The man was very, very, very average.
On a side note, I can't think of his nickname as anything else but "The Frenchfries".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 13:37:57 GMT -5
Jim Cornette sums it up best
Shane Douglas would only be happy if it was Shane Douglas vs Shane Douglas with Shane Douglas as Special Guest Referee
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Post by baronmordo on Sept 26, 2011 13:38:31 GMT -5
A lot of people say it was because he wasn't that special in the ring, but let's be honest-plenty of worse workers have had far better careers than Douglas. The reason for his relative lack of success is because he was an attitude problem, pure and simple.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 26, 2011 14:14:50 GMT -5
Shane could go in the ring, and he COULD cut a promo without cursing, but when in you're ECW I mean...everyone cursed in their promos. I hate when Shane gets singled out for that. Shane cut some great promos during his last run in WCW, and he even cut good promos as Dean Douglas. The KLIQ f***ed him, that feud wasn't his fault. The issue with Flair? Okay, yeah, that was more Douglas' fault than Flair's. He had an initial good 2 runs in WCW, but then he had beef with Flair by the time he left in '93. He spent the next 2 years s***ting on WCW & WWF tremendously, that when he went to WWF in 1995, Shawn & Co wanted to co-operate less than they usually would. And even then, Shane's biggest detractor was Hall more than any of them. Ok then if he was that good. Then why didn't he ever make it. It seems the only excuse as been is what others did. But his whole career as been nothing but him blaming everyone else but himself. If he was that good he could over came the Kliq or Flair for that matter. As bad as HBK was and the kliq, People like Austin over came it. Austin came into WWE when the Kliq was at hims prime. He over claim them. Shane was his own worst enemy. Because if he was great. He would over came it all. Like others have. But Shane in WCW couldn't do it. He was still mid card at best. Never main evented. At a time where guys like Jarrett and Booker where. Why wasn't he getting that push but they where? After WCW was gone. The only place he could get work at was XPW, where he HHHed himself as champion. Tell me what good came from that? He went to TNA and again nothing. His biggest memory I have of TNA was puking in a match against Raven. Funny how former ECW and WCW talent happy TNA gets. Shane couldn't last and was an after thought. TNA have him that chance with Daniels and look how well that worked. because he did not last. Shane ego is bigger then most guys. It was more then just the Kliq. Other wise why hasn't the WWE to this day want to do any kind of business with him? Or anybody else. Even if he was that smart of a guy with wrestling. You think he have offers to do training, Road Agent, booker, or anything else non wrestling. But none of that. Because he has booked before in XPW and did the Hardcore Homcoming stuff. But nobody wants him.
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Post by Big L on Sept 26, 2011 14:17:45 GMT -5
He has a terrible personallity behind the scenes. Everytime I've seen him in/out of wrestling in shoots and behind the scenes , he seems like he has a huge ego. Ah ok
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 26, 2011 14:18:50 GMT -5
In the ECW atmosphere of "anything goes" he was pretty entertaining .But when the filters were on and he had to find another way to get noticed, he couldn't do it. He was the opposite of Raven in that regard.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Sept 26, 2011 15:33:58 GMT -5
At the end of the day, he's mediocre. That's it, really. Backstage stuff aside, the guy just wasn't anything worth getting excited about.
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Post by Big Evil on Sept 26, 2011 17:45:35 GMT -5
Austin was good friends with Nash and Hall, and besides that, Austin debuted in December 1995. Hall was suspended by February '96 and both he and Nash were gone by May. And not saying they held Austin down, but hey, when did Austin's push begin? Oh, oh yeah, June '96.
The KLIQ ran the WWF. They've said it themselves, if they didn't like someone, they made sure they didn't stick around. PCO, Chris Candido, Shane Douglas, Bam Bam Bigelow, and an array of others.
As far as the Flair stuff, read my post again, I said that was more Shane's fault than anyone else's.
Dude the grammar is killing me. Not being a dick but it took me 2 minutes to read that all the way through. And XPW? You serious bro? Who gives a shit about XPW. XPW isn't even the smallest blip on the radar of the history of pro wrestling, and whether he was their World Champion or some one else, it wouldn't matter. Jarrett was Russo's buddy, and very talented. Booker was a locker room favorite, a tenured member, and very talented. Shane was talented, and he didn't have much else going for him backstage. Nothing bad, but nothing great. He was a pretty big part of the New Blood angle, too. So I don't know where you're getting some of this information from.
I refuse to debate anything about in TNA because TNA is where careers go to die with very few exceptions. Not to mention, Douglas went to TNA in 2003, 20 years after starting wrestling, and he wasn't in the best of condition. He became very injury prone and the pill addiction developed. Not an excuse, it's what really happened. And then his "last chance" with Daniels? In 2009? Even I knew that was a bad idea because it was 200-f***ing-9.
Never said it wasn't.
Because as stated numerous times in this thread, he's burned his bridges with WWE, and that's his own fault. The only thing I didn't blame on Shane when it came to his WWF run was the fact that the KLIQ took part in screwing him, and they even admitted it. Shane had a bad falling out with Vince McMahon, then publicly lambasted the company for the past 15 years, not to mention, the whole One Night Stand/Hardcore Homecoming debacle.
I'm really trying to be civil here, I swear to god, but I'm surprised I was able to make it to the end of this post with the grammar, bro. You're speaking like you're some kind of an insider (at least in your mind) when instead you're coming off foolish. I never said that Shane Douglas was this perfect, model human being. Just as much as he's been screwed by politics, he's been the one to cause the drama himself. Again, nobody gave or gives a shit about XPW, nor will they ever when it comes to people who matter in the pro wrestling business. XPW was nothing. And the Hardcore Homecoming shows were actually all pretty successful, so again, check your facts before you decide to go on a grammatically incorrect rant, bud.
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Post by azrael502 on Sept 26, 2011 19:51:57 GMT -5
Jim Cornette sums it up best Shane Douglas would only be happy if it was Shane Douglas vs Shane Douglas with Shane Douglas as Special Guest Referee can sombody put a picture of nelson here please
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Sept 26, 2011 20:10:21 GMT -5
I'd like to throw it out there once again for those who claim that bridges were burned that Shane was contacted by the WWF before he chose to go to WCW for more money and would have gone with the Radicalz to the WWE if he was as willing as the others were to make the decision to get out of a bigger contract with WCW and go to Vince. If they didn't want him, they would have told the Radicalz "hell no, no shane douglas" like they did with Konnan.
As far as WCW was concerned, if his bridges were burned, why was he able to go back 2-3 times? When he was there as one of the 'Dudes, Watts was running things. When he was with Steamboat, Flair had alot of stroke behind the scenes, so he may have legitimate gripes with Flair. Bischoff was there for all of this, so why would Douglas get signed there if he had burned a bridge?
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Post by Big Evil on Sept 26, 2011 23:18:18 GMT -5
As far as WCW was concerned, if his bridges were burned, why was he able to go back 2-3 times? When he was there as one of the 'Dudes, Watts was running things. When he was with Steamboat, Flair had alot of stroke behind the scenes, so he may have legitimate gripes with Flair. Bischoff was there for all of this, so why would Douglas get signed there if he had burned a bridge? Never said his bridges were burned in WCW. Bill Watts was not in charge when Douglas was there for his initial two runs in the 80's. The first time when he was a rookie, Dusty was in charge and it was still run by the Crocketts. When he came back as part of the Dynamic Dudes, Jim Herd was in charge. Douglas third stint was only about 6 months but it was probably his most famous and only about 1 month of that was under the Watts regime. Flair had huge political stroke the first two runs and it was during the second run where their issues began. When Flair came back to WCW in '93, Douglas left almost immediately because the issues started up again, I even remember some story behind an argument they got into. Again, Bischoff was NOT there for all of this. Bischoff didn't even become an announcer til '90/'91, and had no piece of management til early '93, and by that point, Douglas third stint was just about done.
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