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Post by Ducky Momo on Sept 22, 2010 21:54:46 GMT -5
After reading this thread I don't think I should catch up on seasons 4 and 5. It's sad I once considered this my favorite show of all time... I started to check out once all the god and angle stuff came in. But I wanted to give it another shot. However I think if I go back now I'll just get really pissed off. Which sucks because I was hoping to get back into watching shows that are airing new episodes. As opposed to watching completed series like I've done the last few years. Oh well I guess I can watch Buffy to get my nerd love on again. I need a new active fandom to be a part of. I'd go back to Smallville, which I used to really love, but damn after seven season I just had enough. End that shit already. EDIT: Yes I know this post was pointless and off topic. I should probably get a journal or something.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 22, 2010 21:58:27 GMT -5
Ummm I found seasons 4 and 5 to be my favorites. Check them out they're still very entertaining seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 9:33:55 GMT -5
If you guys need a refresher course on most of Season 5, TNT is airing a 20-hour marathon starting tonight at midnight EST and ending at 8 PM tomorrow night (an hour before S6 premieres). I don't think they're showing all of S5 (the listing on my cable guide is weird), but I believe it's the important episodes. At least around 10-11 AM, they're showing the second half of the season up until the marathon ends. All you need to know is that Changing Channels will air at 11 AM. ;D
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Post by King Boo on Sept 23, 2010 10:37:29 GMT -5
After reading this thread I don't think I should catch up on seasons 4 and 5. It's sad I once considered this my favorite show of all time... I started to check out once all the god and angle stuff came in. But I wanted to give it another shot. However I think if I go back now I'll just get really pissed off. Which sucks because I was hoping to get back into watching shows that are airing new episodes. As opposed to watching completed series like I've done the last few years. Oh well I guess I can watch Buffy to get my nerd love on again. I need a new active fandom to be a part of. I'd go back to Smallville, which I used to really love, but damn after seven season I just had enough. End that s*** already. EDIT: Yes I know this post was pointless and off topic. I should probably get a journal or something. The superfan in me still wants to convince you to try it again because despite the fact that I wasn't happy with the way the whole arc turned out, the show is still better than a ton of what's on today and there are still flat out EXCELLENT episodes, even if in the end I personally didn't care for where the story went. I'm not gonna lie to you about how I feel about how the whole thing ended up (or where it's potentially going, though the (scared) jury's still out on that one) and I certainly can't speak on the merits of Smallville and try to compare that to this show (Jedi-El's probably better on that front) but in the end I'm gonna say at least give it a try, even if you're a little skeptical. *I* may not have ended up liking the story as a whole but I didn't hate it enough not to come back and I know others who legitimately DID like where the story went, so you never know. Basically, I don't think you should write off the show before you really give it a go. I'm not trying to tell you what to do by any means but I think if you really loved the show before, you'll probably get *something* out of it.
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Post by MGH on Sept 23, 2010 11:09:43 GMT -5
After reading this thread I don't think I should catch up on seasons 4 and 5. It's sad I once considered this my favorite show of all time... I started to check out once all the god and angle stuff came in. But I wanted to give it another shot. However I think if I go back now I'll just get really pissed off. Which sucks because I was hoping to get back into watching shows that are airing new episodes. As opposed to watching completed series like I've done the last few years. Oh well I guess I can watch Buffy to get my nerd love on again. I need a new active fandom to be a part of. I'd go back to Smallville, which I used to really love, but damn after seven season I just had enough. End that s*** already. EDIT: Yes I know this post was pointless and off topic. I should probably get a journal or something. The superfan in me still wants to convince you to try it again because despite the fact that I wasn't happy with the way the whole arc turned out, the show is still better than a ton of what's on today and there are still flat out EXCELLENT episodes, even if in the end I personally didn't care for where the story went. I'm not gonna lie to you about how I feel about how the whole thing ended up (or where it's potentially going, though the (scared) jury's still out on that one) and I certainly can't speak on the merits of Smallville and try to compare that to this show (Jedi-El's probably better on that front) but in the end I'm gonna say at least give it a try, even if you're a little skeptical. *I* may not have ended up liking the story as a whole but I didn't hate it enough not to come back and I know others who legitimately DID like where the story went, so you never know. Basically, I don't think you should write off the show before you really give it a go. I'm not trying to tell you what to do by any means but I think if you really loved the show before, you'll probably get *something* out of it. But basically going to echo what Roxie has said here. I have a passionate and very strong negative opinion of the road they chose to take Season 5, and the direction of the show as a whole as a result, but I'm just one person. Roxie agrees, but ditto for her. While I have read overwhelming disappointment from fans, everyone has their own opinion, and I've seen people who for as much as I disliked it, loved it themselves. I'm in no way using my ranting about how frustrating I found the end of the season to try and sway anyone to my way of thinking. The one thing I will say especially, is that while Season 5 is what it is to me, before it retroactively tainted Season 4, I thought that Season 4 was the best they'd done. So even if you're skeptical, you can watch Season 4 and if you eventually find yourself agreeing with Roxie and I, you'll still have enjoyed what you saw before the hammer comes down in Swan Song.
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Post by Ducky Momo on Sept 24, 2010 6:23:17 GMT -5
Hmm thanks for the comments guys, it's inspired me to go back. I loved the show so much it was the first series I ever bought, just to collect them. I still have season 1 and 2 sealed, not that they're worth anything. I doubt I can catch up for season 6. I'm watching Freaks & Geeks right now, with another 4 shows waiting in the wings but those will have to wait.
lol I just looked it up, turns out it airs today, bad timing. ;D Can't wait to hear first impressions.
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Post by MGH on Sept 24, 2010 21:09:35 GMT -5
That ... was kind of what I feared it to be. I mean, I do feel like I need to give them a short grace period at the start of this season to work the entire Lisa and Ben thing out and get them the hell out of here, but thanks to those two I got some cringe worthy moments tonight that I really could have done without. You see your worst nightmares, and for Dean it was these two, who half way through the episode he was complaining about being shoved to by Sam a year ago. Oh yeah, and btw, I was robbed of my "Road So Far" video. No classic rock, just a stupid blue tinted youtube video of last season's finale.
The whole attempt to shoehorn Dean in to this role of house bound family man is so forced. The reaction from a majority standpoint tells you most people don't buy it, and really don't want it. What the general theme from fans seems to be is that they were actually anticipating a more Season 1 feel, which was what we were initially promised. Now instead of that, it's more of Season 5, now coming complete with almost half a dozen new people tossed in to the mix. The episode felt like such a disjointed cluster.
Again, I have to give them a break, or keep telling myself to anyway. They need a couple of episodes to write away the mess they made. But man, I was really hoping they would swerve me tonight and give me a nice big surprise. Not the kind of surprise Swan Song was either. But hey, I was warned.
Hopefully everyone else isn't like me and had a good time with it. I'd be very OK being the minority in this case. Until next week then.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 24, 2010 21:15:44 GMT -5
I didn't hate it, of course I was expecting something really bad. I'l give my thoughts on a comparison between Smallville and Supernatural later. But I'll just warn everyone right now, in season 4 of Smallville they did a massive character assassination of Jensen Ackles' character.
Skinner AKA Mitch Pileggi AKA Samuel, has to evil. I'm calling it now, he's Azazel (Yellow Eyed Demon), and he's amassing a new army. He wants an army that Sam, Dean, Bobby, Rufus, Zack and Cody's mom, Bela (okay she's dead), Cas, and every hunter can't stop.
Poor Dean, he's still afraid of Yorkies.
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Post by King Boo on Sept 24, 2010 22:15:27 GMT -5
Meh.
I'm really trying not to be hasty with the judgments. It didn't help that the episode was really slooooooooow.
I just can't get past Lisa letting Dean into her family so easily. It's not in me to just accept that because it's so illogical and reckless and the story so forced that no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get past it. Plus, some of it was kinda cheesy.
"It was the best year of my life."
Gag me with a spoon.
I'm a simple gal. I want to see Sam and Dean (and the occasional Bobby Singer appearance) in the impala, not estranged, hunting and fighting monsters. I don't need some boring home life for one of them, I don't need some random family members (where were they when the FRIGGIN APOCALYPSE was raging, huh?) and I don't need so much freaking angst.
Two brothers on the road, killing things that go bump in the night. That's all I need. The end.
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Post by kickassJP on Sept 26, 2010 1:36:47 GMT -5
I thought the episode was decent but it was really slow. I guess it's just setting the stones in place for the rest of the season.
I totally agree that something is up with their grandfather and maybe the rest of the cousins or whatever.
EDIT: Oh and I forgot... but the opening was absolutely incredible. It was a true work of art. I loved the mirror images of Dean's life before and after.
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Post by MGH on Oct 1, 2010 21:00:59 GMT -5
Now THAT actually felt like an episode of Supernatural.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 21:08:46 GMT -5
Now THAT actually felt like an episode of Supernatural. Good to hear. Too bad my CW station pre-empted it 'till tomorrow night thanks to f***ing Phillies baseball. So I guess i'll have to find another way to watch it.
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Post by MGH on Oct 1, 2010 21:13:29 GMT -5
I'm not gonna say it was the second coming of No Rest For The Wicked or anything (though compared to Swan Song and Exile On Main St. it may as well be), but to put it in to context I'd say it was an above average middle of the way, old school kinda episode. The beginning had me groaning because it looked like Act III of the Lisa and Ben show, co-starring miserably out of place Dean, but as soon as that initial jolt ended, the episode got really entertaining. Some old school Sam and Dean chemistry and humor, some real intrigue in to what looks to be the main story arc of the season, and finally got the moment at the very end. That final 30 seconds or so gives me some hope that this mess may be salvaged yet.
I'd watch this one again, for sure.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 1, 2010 21:30:03 GMT -5
They missed a golden opportunity though, when Sam asked Dean how he was so good with the baby, Dean should have responded with "Dude, I took care of you." I was actually expecting him to say something like that. We know that John was off hunting, and while they had babysitters, you know that Dean had to look after babySam more than a couple of times.
Sam was kind of a douche in this episode though. He told the Campbells about Dean's time in Hell, and knew about the Alpha. That's not cool, in particular telling the Campbells about Dean's time in Hell.
I like Lisa and Ben, so it's good to know that they've set up a happy ending for one of the brothers. Lisa said that she and Ben would be waiting for Dean to get back. So it's good to see that they're setting it up, that for all the years of fighting evil, Dean is going to get what he wants. And they better bring back Sid, I know it was last week, and just one episode, but I kind of liked the guy.
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Post by King Boo on Oct 2, 2010 22:22:13 GMT -5
Well this was better than last week.
I'm not gonna get into the whole Lisa thing because I'm too tired right now lol. I'm just so over the whole thing. Please stay away.
On to other stuff.
Stuff I loved (I'm so excited to say that again):
The (adorable) baby being referred to as "it" by Sam and Dean.
Sam seeming SO uncomfy around an infant.
Dean's choice of lullaby being Smoke On The Water (and the continuity at the end.)
The idea that a baby kinda, sorta exploded. And when it exploded, it exploded from a white baby into a black one.
Dean putting his whiskey finger in the baby's mouth and being all like "yea, tastes good right?" I know that that's a method of numbing a baby's gums when they're teething but still.
Dean choosing Bobby and Sam choosing John for the baby's name. I felt that was telling. I hope it was on purpose, like it was a conscious decision on the writers' part.
"I will stab you in your neck."
The impala is back!!
ETA: Magic Fingers too!!
Stuff that intrigues me or at least doesn't bother me:
What Grandpa Samuel is up to. I couldn't care less about the other Campbells (tho for some reason, Parker Lewis being a cousin is endlessly amusing to me) and hope they all die or whatever but that one aspect is interesting to me. Even if you could tell from moment one something is shady about him.
Sam. Last week I thought something was completely off kilter about him. This week he seemed more normal but at the same time, still not Sam. I can't tell if this is just this personality swap thing they're doing (still don't dig it but so far not hating it passionately) or if something's legit off.
I'm looking forward to next week. I felt like this week started getting somewhat back to normalcy and next week might be it completely. And I, for one, cannot wait for that.
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Post by knightrider01 on Oct 3, 2010 2:51:18 GMT -5
Okay I have a question about the Alpha shape shifter.
They said they had nothing to kill it. Where the hell did the Colt go. You know the one that can kill anything expect five things.
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Post by King Boo on Oct 10, 2010 11:19:16 GMT -5
Okay I have a question about the Alpha shape shifter. They said they had nothing to kill it. Where the hell did the Colt go. You know the one that can kill anything expect five things. I have no idea but I kinda hope they don't go anywhere with that. I need *something* that isn't forced or a re-hash this season. Speaking of: I kinda hate the role reversal thing we've got going on. I wasn't thrilled by this week's. I had this moment where I realized the parts I was most enjoying were the parts with Cas and Balthazar, which then lead to me realizing that my favorite part of Supernatural this week had nothing to do with "Sam" and "Dean." I use quotes because these are not the same Sam and Dean I've known for 5 seasons. *Snore* on the uninspired role reversal, which leads to: *snore* on "ZOMG SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH SAM AGAIN" and *snore* on boring domesticated Dean and his boring phone calls to Lisa and Ben. *Snore* on the "we told you it was finished but it's not really because now Raphael wants to jump start the whole thing all over again" snore-pocalypse and though I enjoyed him, *snore* on the introduction of yet another angel. How is this more like season one? If it's not going to be like season one, fine, but don't tell me it is and have the only way it be that so far is the lame role swap that, imo, saps a ton of the chemistry from Jensen and Jared. Even though I'm a realist and I brace myself the worst (it's easier that way), I'm perpetually an optimist (I know it hasn't sounded like it lately regarding this show, but it's true) so there are a couple of things that I'm looking forward to. I know that: {Spoiler}The next episode has Crowley in it, so that should be good. Also, in that SOON montage at the end that used to signal a break but apparently doesn't this time, they showed Rufus and that's awesome. I hope they explain why Bobby told him to eat dirt and die in "When The Levee Breaks", since they were shown together, but I'm not pinning my hopes on it. I also hope this talk between Dean and Lisa all like Lisa: "What? Where are you going? Why are you leaving us?" Dean: "I can't do this to you! I'm putting you in danger!" is the last time I have to sit through that because honestly? Lisa should have realized all this a year ago, before she let him move in and play house and dad to her son. What happened to the Lisa I saw in season three? I liked that Lisa. Now she's way too perfect and understanding and the insanity of that, given the situation, is too much for me. She just comes off as a plot device, not someone I should actually care about. It's one of my favorite shows in the whole world, even now, and I'm certainly not this easy of a quitter anyways so I'm gonna still truck along and see where they take me. I'm thinking (hoping) that by the mid-season break, some things I don't care for are worked out. Or at least on the road to being explained and worked out. I may not be crazy about a ton of what I saw, but it's not like it's not salvageable for me. Plus, outside all else, this show now gave me Cas using finger quotes. Sometimes in the wrong place. Actually, Cas is one of the few things so far that seem to be completely right. He's back to being more like season four Cas but the events of seasons four and five and his relationship with the Winchesters *have* changed him and in this past episode, I saw a cool balance. Add that to the list of things I dig so far.
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Post by MGH on Oct 10, 2010 12:22:53 GMT -5
You know what my biggest gripe is right now? Since Gamble took over, it isn't that this feels like bad Supernatural. I can deal with Sin City and Route 666. This doesn't even feel like Supernatural at all. I mean the faces are the same, and the general idea of monsters is familiar. It's just when you watch it, it feels like you're watching Season 1 of CW's new series, Supernatural. It's like it's gotten a Melrose Place remake stuck in the time slot. There was that brief moment in the middle of "Two and a Half Men" where things were getting there, but it didn't last. It was no where to be found this week.
I have to echo Roxie, the role reversal has handcuffed this season. Not only was it an old idea they just decided to rehash, but this time it isn't even making sense. Sam isn't acting like Dean. Sam is acting like a jackoff. Dean isn't acting like Sam. Dean is acting like a gigantic pansy with his poor feelings hurt. Then when Sam finally appears to be resembling Dean (the exchange with Cas when he first touched down), Dean isn't being "Sam" and the scene feels like it's being acted out with a pair of Deans. Dean is good at being Dean, Sam isn't Dean. It's like how with Friends Jennifer Aniston auditioned to be Monica, and vice versa. It would never have worked. You have fans invested in these characters because of who they are. Why are you tampering with that? You mean to tell me after five full seasons of waiting, Sera Gamble couldn't come up with anything better than a full blown character overhaul? It's only been three episodes, and I'm already sick of the forced acting. It isn't Jared or Jensen's faults. They have become these characters for over five years now. This isn't natural.
The other major bother is the fact that despite there being at best a tiny sector of the fans who want these conflicts to continue, it seems that generally speaking fans are tired of the brothers always being at each others throats. It's only the beginning of the season, and already I'm over the "hmm, Sam, you're acting funny, tell me what your deal is..." suspicious interrogations. I thought "Hammer of the Gods" was the point where the conflict was over. Then I figured that their brotherly bond or whatever ending the apocalypse would HAVE to be the end of it. Yet here we are, and there is still tension. They said this season was going to be a call back to Season 1. Well ... I'm waiting.
The scary thing for the future of the show is that I know I'm not alone in this line of thinking. The ratings for the premier were the highest since very early in Season 5. People wanted to come back and see the Supernatural they grew to love again. As soon as "Exile on Main St." ended, and "Two and a Half Men" came on, the ratings tanked. They dropped once again this week. It seems like the fanbase saw what they were in for, and took a powder. I just hope CW and Gamble realizes what is up here before it's too late for this show.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 11, 2010 8:15:10 GMT -5
This season has been so remarkably meh. I know it's only been 3 episodes, but it's been getting the shit kicked out of it by Smallville. Even this past episode of Smallville wasn't that great, but it still had quite a few cool moments.
I'll admit I did like Dean talking to Ben on the phone. Hell that was the highlight of the episode for me. That would have destroyed the character of Dean, if after living with Ben and Lisa for a year he wasn't checking up on them.
I'd prefer a version of Supernatural where it's the adventures of Cas, Crowley, Zacahariah and The Trickster, with them occasionally stopping by Dean and Lisa's, over what we've gotten. Okay maybe that's not saying much, considering Cas, Crowley, Zach, and Trickster were the most entertaining characters last year, but it still would be a hell of a lot funner and more entertaining.
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Post by King Boo on Oct 11, 2010 13:50:06 GMT -5
This season has been so remarkably meh. I know it's only been 3 episodes, but it's been getting the s*** kicked out of it by Smallville. Even this past episode of Smallville wasn't that great, but it still had quite a few cool moments. I'll admit I did like Dean talking to Ben on the phone. Hell that was the highlight of the episode for me. That would have destroyed the character of Dean, if after living with Ben and Lisa for a year he wasn't checking up on them. I'd prefer a version of Supernatural where it's the adventures of Cas, Crowley, Zacahariah and The Trickster, with them occasionally stopping by Dean and Lisa's, over what we've gotten. Okay maybe that's not saying much, considering Cas, Crowley, Zach, and Trickster were the most entertaining characters last year, but it still would be a hell of a lot funner and more entertaining. Yes, the season has been remarkably meh so far. I was thinking back to the first three episodes of the 5 previous seasons and comparing how I felt about them, just to see if I was being touchy or something. Season OnePilot - Loved Wendigo - Ok Dead In The Water - Really Liked Season TwoIn My Time Of Dying - Loved Everybody Loves A Clown - Really Liked Bloodlust - Eh Season ThreeThe Magnificent Seven - Liked The Kids Are Alright - Meh Bad Day At Black Rock - Loved Season FourLazarus Rising - LOOOOVE Are You There God?... - Liked In The Beginning - Liked Season FiveSympathy For The Devil - Ok Good God Y'all - Liked Free To Be You And Me - Liked, especially the Sam story Season SixExile on Main St. - Disliked Two and a Half Men - Liked well enough The Third Man - Disliked, tho not as much as the premiere. This is the first season where I didn't like 2 out of the first three. I don't like feeling like this I agree with you that it wouldn't be like Dean to just forget about Lisa and Ben, so on that front, it was good. No one wants anymore of a character assassination. Still though, I hate the entire thing. I've read people be like "well I like them because I don't want Dean to be with Sam, since he doesn't appreciate him." The solution to the problem isn't forcing these people we've been given no reason to care about, the solution is to repair the Sam and Dean relationship, the heart of the show. I had been very patient but sadly, the show seems hell bent (no pun intended) on keeping them at odds. It's like they completely forget what drew everyone to the show. As much as I love Crowley, Zach, Gabriel, Rufus and even Cas...they're not what the show is about. So while I absolutely love each time they are/were on, at the end of the day, I want the Winchesters fighting as one against the bad guys. Sure they can disagree on stuff as humans and brothers do, but this kind of estrangement all the time is ridiculous. In their attempts to do a story/stories out of their reach, they wound up throwing in aaaaaall these characters and sub-plots and now everything seems convoluted and busy. And not everything has to be so damn angsty. Dial back on the man pain, show.
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