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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 19:40:40 GMT -5
Deserve? Yeah he deserved it. He came at someone with a blade. The cop defended himself. You reap what you sow. He was an autistic kid who didn't know what he was doing.
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Post by moneyman20 on Feb 3, 2012 19:44:59 GMT -5
Deserve? Yeah he deserved it. He came at someone with a blade. The cop defended himself. You reap what you sow. He was an autistic kid who didn't know what he was doing. Bulls***. He had Asperger's Syndrome, a high functioning Autism. Which means he has some adjustment issues, but he still knows right from wrong. I know because I have it as well.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 3, 2012 19:47:55 GMT -5
Stories like this bug me because it causes people to immediately side with the 'ill' person. In my working with law enforcement peeps on a daily basis, I know that the fact that "he had autism" doesn't mean jack squat the second he picked up a weapon. The knife doesn't care if the kid is autistic, it kills just the same. As Munkie below me said situation was not out of the question. It's a bad situation, but that's life. Trying to find a "right" or "wrong" answer in this scenario is impossible. Lots of things happened. What do you know about Autism? That if you attack a cop with a knife it's not going to save you from the repercussions?
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 3, 2012 20:30:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sorry but if this kid has had the cops called that many times, the parents should've been more responsible with keeping sharp things away from him. Yes, it's terrible it happened, but what else could've been done if you're a cop and someone with a knife comes at you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 20:38:04 GMT -5
He was an autistic kid who didn't know what he was doing. Bulls***. He had Asperger's Syndrome, a high functioning Autism. Which means he has some adjustment issues, but he still knows right from wrong. I know because I have it as well. I have A.S. too. Thanks for assuming I don't know anything about it. I do a bunch of awful things sometimes that I don't realize I'm doing until it's way too late. I sympathize with the boy's parents, and there's nothing anyone will say to change that.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Feb 3, 2012 21:55:53 GMT -5
Deserve? Yeah he deserved it. He came at someone with a blade. The cop defended himself. You reap what you sow. He was an autistic kid who didn't know what he was doing. He had a knife and tried to kill someone. He was rightly neutralized. You don't play around with someone with a weapon, mental illness or not. It was the cop or the kid and the cop made the right choice. He knew enough to pick up a knife, charge and slash at the officer, that is enough to get you justifiably killed. Maybe, just maybe the mom should have kept stuff like that away from her kid if she knew he had problems. Oh and for the people saying he should have just shot him in the foot or some other bullshit like that, this is real life. You don't shoot people to wound or hopefully stop them, you shoot to kill. Once you've made the split second decision to use your gun, you've made the decision to kill and that is far from made lightly.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Feb 3, 2012 22:08:29 GMT -5
Did it say where exactly he was shot? I can picture in my head that he slashed the officer who pulled the gun out and just shot, but where it hit and at what angle is the most interesting part.
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Feb 3, 2012 22:42:52 GMT -5
I think the best thing to say in this situation is that the police did what they had to do in order to protect themselves and save their own lives, although it is unfortunate that an autistic child is dead. The child didn't necessarily deserve it due to his disability, but the police did what they had to do.
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Post by sryans on Feb 3, 2012 22:47:23 GMT -5
He was an autistic kid who didn't know what he was doing. He had a knife and tried to kill someone. He was rightly neutralized. You don't play around with someone with a weapon, mental illness or not. It was the cop or the kid and the cop made the right choice. He knew enough to pick up a knife, charge and slash at the officer, that is enough to get you justifiably killed. Maybe, just maybe the mom should have kept stuff like that away from her kid if she knew he had problems. Oh and for the people saying he should have just shot him in the foot or some other bulls*** like that, this is real life. You don't shoot people to wound or hopefully stop them, you shoot to kill. Once you've made the split second decision to use your gun, you've made the decision to kill and that is far from made lightly. This still does not change the point that saying that a 15 year old with autism DESERVED to die is f***ed up. Like, I am not saying the cop was in the wrong at all, but saying that this kid did not deserve to live is pretty disgraceful.
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Post by Orange on Feb 3, 2012 22:56:20 GMT -5
I think this is a topic where there is no right or wrong answer, it's too emotionally charged and it's a total grey area.
My feelings are this, the cop felt threatened because somebody was coming at him with a knife, I would be threatened as well. The cop did what he felt had to be done, and I'm sure he doesn't feel too great about himself right now.
It's a shitty situation no matter how you look at it, but there's no right or wrong answer for this one.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Feb 3, 2012 22:56:30 GMT -5
He had a knife and tried to kill someone. He was rightly neutralized. You don't play around with someone with a weapon, mental illness or not. It was the cop or the kid and the cop made the right choice. He knew enough to pick up a knife, charge and slash at the officer, that is enough to get you justifiably killed. Maybe, just maybe the mom should have kept stuff like that away from her kid if she knew he had problems. Oh and for the people saying he should have just shot him in the foot or some other bulls*** like that, this is real life. You don't shoot people to wound or hopefully stop them, you shoot to kill. Once you've made the split second decision to use your gun, you've made the decision to kill and that is far from made lightly. This still does not change the point that saying that a 15 year old with autism DESERVED to die is f***ed up. Like, I am not saying the cop was in the wrong at all, but saying that this kid did not deserve to live is pretty disgraceful. Once he decided to try and kill someone, he deserved what was coming his way. That is far from disgraceful in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 23:35:29 GMT -5
If you're stupid enough to go after a cop with any weapon. You deserve to get shot.
Let's face it... considering his history this kid was probably gonna grow up to end up in jail or a mental hospital any way.
Aspergers ain't got nothing to do with it... This guy was a repeat offender who wasn't willing to let the fear of police intervention get in the way of his sense of judgement.
One less future rapist or murderer in my book.
And before anyone calls me a heartless bastard... I also have autism. When I was 17 I basically got told if I didn't fly right I'd end up in jail.
Sometimes it really is all about survival of the fitest, and this kid failed.
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Post by HoganBai on Feb 3, 2012 23:52:18 GMT -5
Aspergers doesn't equal stupid, there was a boy at my school with Asperger's, incredibly clever, admittedly no common sense but there's a difference between being socially unadjusted and having no common sense and holding a knife at a cop.
However in my opinion, the fact he has Asperger's has nothing to do with the story, and is put in for sympathy (harsh, I know, but being a media student makes you all cynical and assholey about this stuff). Either way, I feel bad for the parents and the cop who shot him, both must be going through some hard times, but the story played out how it would regardless of the child's disability, I mean what was meant to happen, was the cop meant to be alerted to the fact the kid had autism and maybe didn't know what he was doing, or does he see boy coming at him with knife, and go into auto-pilot?
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Post by Piccolo on Feb 3, 2012 23:52:42 GMT -5
The kid had an illness, absolutely. The problem is, his parents weren't capable of managing that illness. They weren't able to keep blades away from him, they weren't able to find a way to work around his violence, they weren't able to find a solution that could work on a consistent basis to keep him from hurting people.
So they brought other people into the home and asked those people to risk their lives to keep him restrained. That's understandable. But when you do that, you have to realize that those people are not your child's family. They do not look at your child as a precious, irreplaceable, paramount piece of their lives the way you look at him. He's someone coming at them with a knife. And if they could take him down nonlethally, I'm sure they would, but if they can't... and that's the risk you have to take when you put your child's life in someone else's hands.
He was violent and no one could apparently do anything about it. It's upsetting to think about, but if this was a result of his disorder, his disorder probably would've killed him someday anyway. And if it wasn't a result of his disorder, same conclusion. Repeated violence so bad you have to call the cops to your home is not a sustainable situation.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Feb 3, 2012 23:52:47 GMT -5
If you're stupid enough to go after a cop with any weapon. You deserve to get shot. Let's face it... considering his history this kid was probably gonna grow up to end up in jail or a mental hospital any way. Aspergers ain't got nothing to do with it... This guy was a repeat offender who wasn't willing to let the fear of police intervention get in the way of his sense of judgement. One less future rapist or murderer in my book. And before anyone calls me a heartless bastard... I also have autism. When I was 17 I basically got told if I didn't fly right I'd end up in jail. Sometimes it really is all about survival of the fitest, and this kid failed.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Feb 4, 2012 1:15:15 GMT -5
Why do so many people automatically side against cops in these stories? Despite what you see in movie or on TV, cops are actually very good at their job and aren't the evil Nazis people make them out to be. This kid, despite his Asperger's, obviously had a history of being violent, and I don't doubt he knew what he was doing. Like others have said: you don't attack a cop without getting hurt. It doesn't matter what illnes he had, he was the one in the wrong. I went to college with a kid who has Asperger's, and even though he had no social skills to speak of, he did know the difference between right and wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 2:07:18 GMT -5
Story's a bummer, but man some of the posts here are harsh.
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Post by Piccolo on Feb 4, 2012 2:48:46 GMT -5
Why do so many people automatically side against cops in these stories? Despite what you see in movie or on TV, cops are actually very good at their job and aren't the evil Nazis people make them out to be. Like everyone else in every other profession, there can be good cops and lousy cops, nice cops and mean cops, straight-arrow and corrupt cops, and everything in between. Cops are human. However, unlike other citizens, they have extraordinary power under the law to detain, imprison, harm, and kill their fellow citizens. Sometimes this power is used appropriately. Sometimes it isn't. Therefore, with great power comes great scrutiny. Automatically siding with anyone is usually a poor idea.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 4, 2012 2:58:29 GMT -5
Autistic or not. If you lunge at a police officer with a weapon, you're basically committing suicide by cop.
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Post by VenomFang on Feb 4, 2012 3:07:54 GMT -5
You got a gun and a kid has a butter knife and you decide to shoot to kill ? Thats way too harsh. Could have shot to injure him so he'd drop the knife and then you tackle and arrest him. Shoot him in the arm or leg for christ sakes he's just a kid.
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