Altabane
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Post by Altabane on Sept 6, 2011 14:31:41 GMT -5
Holding final verdict till NOC, but I'm not liking the way it's going. It's like they purposely muder their summer angles in a brutal fashion before winter comes
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Post by chazraps on Sept 6, 2011 14:37:40 GMT -5
And you base that on what exactly? This. Geek/Hipster-chic (Comic-con) does not equal mainstream. And I didn't mention anything geek related in my examples. ESPN GQ WorldStar All pretty big media outlets that wouldn't have touched anything WWE for a decade.
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Post by Psychoblue on Sept 6, 2011 14:43:13 GMT -5
HHHaters gonna HHHate.
That's the short version of what I get from the OP.
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 6, 2011 14:47:45 GMT -5
Look at how mainstream the WWE was about to break through again last summer! And you base that on what exactly? It got attention, although it may have gotten attention because people thought it was legit. (How, I have no idea, but I digress) Which may have been the first time they got any attention since Benoit.
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Post by JDviant on Sept 6, 2011 14:53:13 GMT -5
The mainstream attention and interest that the company hadn't seen in a decade. ESPN WorldStar GQ etc. Matt Striker was in GQ in the March 2006 issue.
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Post by King Boo on Sept 6, 2011 14:59:02 GMT -5
HHHaters gonna HHHate. That's the short version of what I get from the OP. That is way more of an annoying thing to say than anything he may have said in his post. It's like no one can maturely explain why they don't like Hunter's involvement in something without someone saying that. It's so dismissive and you know what? Sometimes, it's flat out wrong.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 6, 2011 15:00:23 GMT -5
The mainstream attention and interest that the company hadn't seen in a decade. ESPN WorldStar GQ etc. Matt Striker was in GQ in the March 2006 issue. But that was NOTHING like the Punk interview.
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Post by Psychoblue on Sept 6, 2011 15:22:13 GMT -5
HHHaters gonna HHHate. That's the short version of what I get from the OP. That is way more of an annoying thing to say than anything he may have said in his post. It's like no one can maturely explain why they don't like Hunter's involvement in something without someone saying that. It's so dismissive and you know what? Sometimes, it's flat out wrong. Oh woo, it's been a long time since I was given a free pass on the bus of guilt trip express. I see threads like this so many times involving Hunter to a point where I'm not sure people are aware how many people he has "put over" "Put over' does not always equal "doing the job." Tajiri was a jobber, Shelton Benjamin was a nobody, and Jeff Hardy was a midcarder. When did their credibilities start turning around? When they entered a program with Triple H. It's creative's fault nothing happened with them afterwards, not Triple H: he didn't gain any kind of official booking power until recently, and I still don't buy the "Am I f***ing going over?" story. A wrestling show is more than just one person: it's about several people. Is Hunter a focus right now? Yes he is. Is he THE focus. No. The focus is currently being split between himself, Nash, and Punk. The three of them together are the main players in the story, with Ace and Steph being supporting characters. And even before this, there was and still are plenty of complaints about the Orton/Christian feud where people are hissy about Christian's booking. WHY!? Christian has just completed by far his biggest run in a main event program, exited a 2-time world champion, and shown himself to be on the level of a high-echelon main eventer in Orton with how many times they clashed and how hard-fought the matches were (again, "putting over' does NOT equal "doing the job"). We can't be happy for the guy that he finally got his time in the spotlight because of some misguided notion about "squash feuding." Maybe this is what I should have posted instead of "HHHaters gonna HHHate" as that is a bit rude, but I guess I'm just salty that I see almost the exact same thread every other day whenever Hunter is on TV and, even though it makes sense logically for him to be the spotlight given his long tenure with the company and the accolades he has, say he's "hogging the spotlight."
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 6, 2011 15:25:56 GMT -5
You live on an alternate universe where Christian came out of that feud with Orton stronger than he entered it, apparently.
He entered it with the "triumphant boyhood dream" babyface gimmick and left it as the sniveling bitch who can only win if the other guy kicks him in the nuts.
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Post by King Boo on Sept 6, 2011 15:32:31 GMT -5
That is way more of an annoying thing to say than anything he may have said in his post. It's like no one can maturely explain why they don't like Hunter's involvement in something without someone saying that. It's so dismissive and you know what? Sometimes, it's flat out wrong. Oh woo, it's been a long time since I was given a free pass on the bus of guilt trip express. I see threads like this so many times involving Hunter to a point where I'm not sure people are aware how many people he has "put over" "Put over' does not always equal "doing the job." Tajiri was a jobber, Shelton Benjamin was a nobody, and Jeff Hardy was a midcarder. When did their credibilities start turning around? When they entered a program with Triple H. It's creative's fault nothing happened with them afterwards, not Triple H: he didn't gain any kind of official booking power until recently, and I still don't buy the "Am I f***ing going over?" story. A wrestling show is more than just one person: it's about several people. Is Hunter a focus right now? Yes he is. Is he THE focus. No. The focus is currently being split between himself, Nash, and Punk. The three of them together are the main players in the story, with Ace and Steph being supporting characters. And even before this, there was and still are plenty of complaints about the Orton/Christian feud where people are hissy about Christian's booking. WHY!? Christian has just completed by far his biggest run in a main event program, exited a 2-time world champion, and shown himself to be on the level of a high-echelon main eventer in Orton with how many times they clashed and how hard-fought the matches were (again, "putting over' does NOT equal "doing the job"). We can't be happy for the guy that he finally got his time in the spotlight because of some misguided notion about "squash feuding." Maybe this is what I should have posted instead of "HHHaters gonna HHHate" as that is a bit rude, but I guess I'm just salty that I see almost the exact same thread every other day whenever Hunter is on TV and, even though it makes sense logically for him to be the spotlight given his long tenure with the company and the accolades he has, say he's "hogging the spotlight." I'm not "giving you a free pass on the bus of guilt trip express." It's not my job to guilt you. I'm not your mother, nor do I want to be. You feel guilt? Then it's on you for your response being unnecessarily dismissive, which is what I've seen so many times lately that it does nothing to create an actual CONVERSATION. Instead of giving me a lesson that frankly, I didn't need, maybe you could have just maturely explained why you don't agree with the OP in the first place. Also, if someone doesn't care for something, that doesn't mean they don't understand it. It means they don't like it. We have our reasons that don't always boil down to needing a lesson or blind hate.
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Post by Psychoblue on Sept 6, 2011 15:33:35 GMT -5
You live on an alternate universe where Christian came out of that feud with Orton stronger than he entered it, apparently. He entered it with the "triumphant boyhood dream" babyface gimmick and left it as the sniveling bitch who can only win if the other guy kicks him in the nuts. You are looking at it way too shallow. When Christian actually stopped whining and got down to business, he was shown capable of hanging on Orton's level. Did he win and talk about conspiracies a lot? Yes. But so did Edge from 2007-2009. Edge would hide behind Vickie and La Familia even when it was shown that if he just manned up, he was capable of showing why he was a main eventer. Christian took Orton to the limit every single time they faced off. Again, "putting over" does NOT equal "doing the job."
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Sept 6, 2011 15:37:07 GMT -5
If I'm not wrong, ESPN always makes references to the WWE
Some people lead their fandom believing than punk was the next coming of the attitude era, but I think that this has been oberblown from day one
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Post by DarBucks on Sept 6, 2011 15:47:43 GMT -5
OK, I feel I should elaborate on my earlier post.
Cena: Who did Cena face between WM 21 and 22? Jericho, Kurt Angle, Edge in that order. With all due respect to the other two, the only significant feud was vs Angle. So, in a sense, beating Triple H was THE moment for Cena. It legitimised his reign. Triple H could've just as easily used his pull to change the WM result.
Orton, yes things were hot-shotted. But, Triple H and Flair, both in kayfabe and reality, saw something in Orton that made them say "future megastar".
And Batista needs no further explanation.
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Post by Lila on Sept 6, 2011 15:49:27 GMT -5
I've been holding back on this and I don't mean this exact topic, but in general.
Seriously, what happen to just enjoying storylines? It seems like everyone needs to find something in a storyline to bitch and complain about. If you seriously don't like it, turn the channel. As a wrestling fan, I'm just happy that we have something interesting going on. I know most on here are too, but some just find a way to crap on it because it's not what they personally want the storyline to go. No, we have to sit here and predict the worst possible ending for a storyline or complain in general because that's the status quo, apparently.
To put it simply, stop trying to being smarks about everything and be happy that there's at least something keeping you interested in the product.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 6, 2011 15:51:28 GMT -5
If I'm not wrong, ESPN always makes references to the WWE Some people lead their fandom believing than punk was the next coming of the attitude era, but I think that this has been oberblown from day one No, you're wrong. This is the first angle that got people, who don't watch or talk about wrestling, actually talking about wrestling. As someone who deals in social media, mass media and youth outreach for a living, NOTHING had gotten people talking like this. The YouTube numbers don't lie. The mainstream media exposure doesn't lie. This was exactly how marketing is measured in 2011, and comparatively speaking how the last two booms began, and it has already been turned into just another wrestling angle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 15:54:28 GMT -5
If I'm not wrong, ESPN always makes references to the WWE Some people lead their fandom believing than punk was the next coming of the attitude era, but I think that this has been oberblown from day one No, you're wrong. This is the first angle that got people, who don't watch or talk about wrestling, actually talking about wrestling. As someone who deals in social media, mass media and youth outreach for a living, NOTHING had gotten people talking like this. The YouTube numbers don't lie. The mainstream media exposure doesn't lie. This was exactly how marketing is measured in 2011, and comparatively speaking how the last two booms began, and it has already been turned into just another wrestling angle. I disagree, if only because for the most part, the only people on these sports talk shows and things bringing it up were people already prone to making occasional wrestling references or having guests on there. I still don't buy that this Punk thing ever had a chance in hell of being anything but typical summer effort to keep the ratings passable like Nexus was.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 6, 2011 15:54:36 GMT -5
As of right now, I'm still enjoying the storyline. Everything involving Punk has completely captivated me since the first "shoot" promo. However, if Triple H goes over in this thing, I'll probably be angrier than I've ever been at the booking of WWE programming. Punk is in such a critical stage right now, and losing to Triple H would just cement the fact that "this guy is good, but he's still a second-tier main-eventer". Considering the fact that Triple H is all but retired, what a horrid move it would be.
On top of that, Punk has brought a new energy and interest to WWE that hasn't been seen in quite some time. Fans who had become bored and complacent over the state of WWE are now engaged in the show every week. We're also ordering PPV's we normally wouldn't have and buying thousands of "Best in the World" t-shirts. They can't flush this momentum down the drain. It'd be moronic.
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Post by corndog on Sept 6, 2011 22:52:48 GMT -5
Though I do think it's fairly obvious that HHH will go over at Night of Champions. I think they'll go with a very obvious swerve. Nash interferes and helps HHH decimate Punk. Turns HHH heel, keeps Punk from looking bad, and continues the story without giving away a true HHH/Punk match. I think this is the best option they have with this match. CM Punk winning cleanly might help make him a more buyable main eventer, but he will still look like a dick. This whole fued has made HHH the face, Nash a heel and CM Punk a tweener at best who has been insulting HHH's family and himself seemingly unprovoked. If Nash helps HHH win and HHH accepts it, turning him heel, it will make Punk's conspiracy theories correct and give him full reason for insulting HHH and Stephanie. It would make CM Punk the face, which he hasn't really been since this whole thing began with Cena and his first "shoot". They can finally do the double turn they didn't do with Cena.
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Post by britishbulldog on Sept 6, 2011 23:35:38 GMT -5
This whole thing just feels like they will cement Punks position of top guy.
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 6, 2011 23:38:59 GMT -5
This whole thing just feels like they will cement Punks position of top guy. If they don't, they will have just wasted almost 3 months of storyline. Although that isn't unfamiliar to the WWE.
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