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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 9, 2012 16:39:03 GMT -5
A plane ticket from California to most cities on the east coast is only like $350. flying from Los Angeles, CA to Baltimore, MD on Sep. 21 and returning on Sep. 23 for a hypothetical tv taping over the weekend, picking only the cheapest flights American: $486 Delta: $461 United: $440 so going with cheapest, where you to fly in Perkins and the Bucks for that weekend, just on airfare you'd be spending $1320 (the tickets are non-refundable so lets hope they don't get injured). $1320, which is about 88 GA tickets for a tv taping (66 GA tickets for a regular show), just to fly in three guys, and thats not including paying for them (or anyone else for that matter) to actually wrestle, as well as all the other expenses it takes to put on a show. if the economy wasn't in the crapper and if the public's general interest in pro wrestling wasn't down there with it, spending an extra $440 per person to fly them in wouldn't seem like a lot to ask for, but alas this is the real world
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 16:51:20 GMT -5
66 GA tickets for a regular show, but they get two shows out of the flights per weekend most of the time, so it's really 33 tickets or DVDs of each night's show, for all three to be there. Too much for a television company to spend? They're paying whichever local guys to be in those spots on the card, so the only real difference to a show's budget is the travel expense (unless TJ Perkins is making 3 times what they pay the other guys, or something along those lines).
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 9, 2012 16:53:51 GMT -5
66 GA tickets for a regular show, but they get two shows out of the flights per weekend most of the time, so it's really 33 tickets or DVDs of each night's show, for all three to be there. Too much for a television company to spend? They're paying whichever local guys to be in those spots on the card, so the only real difference to a show's budget is the travel expense (unless TJ Perkins is making 3 times what they pay the other guys, or something along those lines). actually, they probably would be paying Perkins three times as much as they would local guys, seeing as how he is a name on the indies and the local guys...not so much
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 17:00:03 GMT -5
Still, spending $200 instead of $75, maybe? To me, spending what in the grand scheme of things is only a little extra money to have a better show would be worth it. Instead of 33 extra tickets or DVDs per night, let's add the extra pay to that too, and say it's 50 extra tickets or DVDs. When they're drawing over 1,000 in bigger cities, and sometimes close to or over 2,000 in New York, that's a drop in the bucket.
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Jun 9, 2012 20:59:11 GMT -5
I love ROH but would love to see more interesting match ups from them other then the same guys feuding over and over.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 9, 2012 21:05:52 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't be flying in people from the West Coast for shows on the East Coast unless it's something major to begin with. It's not like the Bucks or TJP are major players in ROH right now or even before, they were bit players at best. If they are running NYC, Boston, Philly than I'd fly them in for those shows but no reason to have them in the Carolinas, Virgina, or whatever smaller shows they are running.
As for Baltimore, yeah that is bad business but it is Sinclair's home. I mean ROH ran 1, maybe 2 shows there and that was years and years before so they are really nothing in Baltimore. I think they'd be better off taping 1 or 2 random matches at the non-iPPV shows and having those make the show but this is what Sinclair wants so that is what they are going to do.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 9, 2012 21:15:49 GMT -5
Wait a second... I think OP is being sarcastic! First thing to come to mind.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 9, 2012 22:00:09 GMT -5
Honestly, the real problem with ROH right now is that they're marketing themselves as a niche inside of a niche. Pro wrestling as a whole is already a niche market, then further subdividing yourself into the "Wrestling is Serious Business!" crowd as your target audience only hurts your appeal.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 9, 2012 22:02:04 GMT -5
Honestly, the real problem with ROH right now is that they're marketing themselves as a niche inside of a niche. Pro wrestling as a whole is already a niche market, then further subdividing yourself into the "Wrestling is Serious Business!" crowd as your target audience only hurts your appeal. Their product really needs to diversify. I blame Cornette. He's said that wrestling should be completely serious and there's no room for anything else. Yeah well obviously it's not working out all that well, Jimmy.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 9, 2012 22:07:13 GMT -5
Honestly, the real problem with ROH right now is that they're marketing themselves as a niche inside of a niche. Pro wrestling as a whole is already a niche market, then further subdividing yourself into the "Wrestling is Serious Business!" crowd as your target audience only hurts your appeal. Their product really needs to diversify. I blame Cornette. He's said that wrestling should be completely serious and there's no room for anything else. Yeah well obviously it's not working out all that well, Jimmy. Exactly. I have a "Best of ROH" DVD(I forget which specific one) that has Kikutaro vs. Samoa Joe on it. That match, awesome as it was(and it WAS awesome, though that might be my marking for Kikutaro talking), would NEVER make it in today's ROH. Really shows where the brand has gone.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 9, 2012 23:07:54 GMT -5
So ROH is wrong for not flying guys from California without anything for them to do? Sounds like a sound money management decision. The current economy sucks dick and the indies are paying dearly for it. That's one of the problems that hurts a number of indy companies is that they fly in high price talents who don't make back enough money for the company to warrant their paydays. PWG ran into that problem for a couple of years before depending more on local talent to pad out the card. Unless the company is ran by a money mark, you're not going to see the independent supercards filled with the top stars from years ago.
And the biggest problem with the current ROH and independent scene in general is that the amount of standout stars is dwindling. Back in 2005-2006, it was overloaded with people. Now, it's down to a few dozen. Too many people wrestle the same style and forgot how to stand out from the pack. And the cream of the crop eventually go off to greener pastures.
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Post by highfivessteve on Jun 9, 2012 23:21:48 GMT -5
I thought Generico signed with EVOLVE, thus the reason for him not being in ROH?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 9, 2012 23:39:52 GMT -5
I thought Generico signed with EVOLVE, thus the reason for him not being in ROH? He's a free agent I believe. He works just about everything.
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Post by notasmark on Jun 10, 2012 0:16:56 GMT -5
This reminds me of how ECW used to do House Shows in their later years.
Usually they'd bring in 4 main event talents for a tag match or a double main event. Then you'd have 6 or so midcarders and the rest of the card would be filled with local's or regular talent who would travel for free.
ROH doing the same thing is smart. The fans really are paying for for a few names they really want to see and the brand name of ROH is whats drawing them in.
Same goes for TV. Why fill the spots with your regular talent unless you have something for them to do? Much easier to throw locals into your random matches.
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Post by chiapet22 on Jun 10, 2012 16:11:42 GMT -5
You got a right to hate ROH, but the whole beginning was unneeded, OP. Made you look like a dick. Many on here use their ignorance as a tone of arrogance when actual news on pro wrestling is reported. I throw it right back at them - I'm not here to be civil with you or anyone else. The ROH hate is funny. I look forward to people turning on PWG and Chikara. When those feds start sucking on the meat missile as heartily and zestily as ROH currently does, they will get the venom and rightfully so. It's not a fan's job to be loyal - the fans are customers. Customers must frequently be given reasons to stay loyal. The numbers and general consensus clearly agree with your statement.
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Post by chiapet22 on Jun 10, 2012 16:23:29 GMT -5
Maybe this is the kick in the ass they need. Hopefully they right the ship. I would love to as optimistic as you, but this is a company that in trying to become "national" is copying the annoying habits of the bigger feds.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 10, 2012 16:27:01 GMT -5
Well the rules here say to be civil. So please do so.
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Post by chiapet22 on Jun 10, 2012 16:28:06 GMT -5
the biggest problem with the current ROH and independent scene in general is that the amount of standout stars is dwindling. Back in 2005-2006, it was overloaded with people. Now, it's down to a few dozen. Too many people wrestle the same style and forgot how to stand out from the pack. And the cream of the crop eventually go off to greener pastures. Don't forget that because ROH cut ties with Dragon Gate, that led to the creation of two unnecessary feds (DGUSA and Evolve), which made the inferior talent field get spread way too thin.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 10, 2012 16:30:26 GMT -5
While the OP's general point is shrouded in thinly veiled bias and impolite ridicule, thus damaging his credibility somewhat, he DOES make one solid point that I've been in favor of for a while now: The onus IS on the company to inspire loyalty in it's customer's, not on the customer to "stick it out" and be loyal to the company no matter what. I've always hated to see it when people sarcastically say "I can't wait until the internet turns on *insert thing here*" as though a dip in quality doesn't merit a dip in fan appreciation.
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Post by percymania on Jun 10, 2012 17:52:59 GMT -5
ROH is desperately lacking a face right now.
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