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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 10, 2012 18:04:49 GMT -5
the biggest problem with the current ROH and independent scene in general is that the amount of standout stars is dwindling. Back in 2005-2006, it was overloaded with people. Now, it's down to a few dozen. Too many people wrestle the same style and forgot how to stand out from the pack. And the cream of the crop eventually go off to greener pastures. Don't forget that because ROH cut ties with Dragon Gate, that led to the creation of two unnecessary feds (DGUSA and Evolve), which made the inferior talent field get spread way too thin. IIRC EVOLVE was actually a concept Bryan Danielson wanted to do and asked Gabe if he was interested in it, but Bryan ended up signing with WWE. Then Davey decided to do ROH full time and Gabe just never really knew what to do with the company. There is talent out there but the only 2 BIG indy feds that consistently give guys looks are PWG and CZW. Does ROH still have any working relationships with Japanese promotions? If not I think that's something that kind of hurts ROH's appeal to wrestlers. As I've mentioned before, CZW has connections with Big Japan as well as WXW in Germany. CHIKARA has connections with Osaka Pro (and others?). Both CZW and CHIKARA also have good relations with Dragon Gate USA, which opens up roads to Dragon Gate. PWG has also gotten their guys overseas. Just a theory. Because it seemed like when ROH had connections to Japan everybody wanted to work there. Now. Not so much
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Post by Trip Fisk a.k.a. Foley is Good on Jun 11, 2012 4:21:53 GMT -5
ROH still has a connection with NOAH, I would imagine.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 11, 2012 9:08:28 GMT -5
Really, ROH going forward could use a dose of "sports entertainment" in its approach. Maybe not to WWE levels, but at least close to what they were doing from 2004-2008.There are a lot of talented and engaging personalities in the company, but they're not being put out in front.
If I'm a promoter and I had to pick who could be potential figureheads to expand ROH's audience, I wouldn't be looking at Strong, or the American Wolves or O'Reilly- rather, I'd be more interested in a Jay Lethal, a Mike Mondo, maybe a Tommaso Ciampa or Generico. Steen's something different, so he's a step in the right direction also.
There's nothing wrong with trying to make wrestling seem more intense, which is obviously what Cornette wants, but "believable" doesn't need to equal "dull". They seriously need to loosen up, because 75% of pro wrestling's charm is how outrageous it is.
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Post by lovingway on Jun 11, 2012 10:20:32 GMT -5
I agree Mondo actually had a good match in Cincy that was crapped on by the ROH message board I post on. I am amazed he isn't pushed more since he has a name and works for OVW.
I also like Matt Taven but apparently WWE is also looking at him as well
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 11, 2012 11:32:40 GMT -5
Really, ROH going forward could use a dose of "sports entertainment" in its approach. Maybe not to WWE levels, but at least close to what they were doing from 2004-2008.There are a lot of talented and engaging personalities in the company, but they're not being put out in front. If I'm a promoter and I had to pick who could be potential figureheads to expand ROH's audience, I wouldn't be looking at Strong, or the American Wolves or O'Reilly- rather, I'd be more interested in a Jay Lethal, a Mike Mondo, maybe a Tommaso Ciampa or Generico. Steen's something different, so he's a step in the right direction also. There's nothing wrong with trying to make wrestling seem more intense, which is obviously what Cornette wants, but "believable" doesn't need to equal "dull". They seriously need to loosen up, because 75% of pro wrestling's charm is how outrageous it is. Jay Lethal is ABSOLUTELY a guy that should be main eventing for them right now. He's a fantastic wrestler(one of my favorites) that isn't hampered by an "uber-intense" gimmick, and actually has a personality when he's allowed to show it. The evolution he's made is absolutely astounding, and, loathe as I am to give them any credit, TNA had a big hand in that.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 11, 2012 12:53:22 GMT -5
Speaking of Mike Mondo, here's another guy hampered by this company wide gimmick of angry, intense wrestler. I'm not saying he should come out as a clown, but let's try something a little different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 21:14:33 GMT -5
House show attendance aside I really enjoy ROH currently. Maybe it helps that I follow PWG as well, which I feel helps counteract the super seriousness of ROH that I don't feel I need that from them. With how beaten down I feel after following WWE/TNA through tough times I really appreciate ROH's simpler approach to storytelling in the ring, though I don't think they get enough credit for the awesome Steen angle, and I'm always more into a more serious presentation of professional wrestling than "sports entertainment" so ROH really works for me. Not that it's perfect, I think they're really shooting themselves in the foot by not getting serious with El Generico, and not trying with Colt Cabana at ALL. But still they're the company out of ROH/TNA/WWE that I can watch the most without feeling embarrassed.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 11, 2012 21:26:57 GMT -5
ROH still has a connection with NOAH, I would imagine. Yeah, I could have sworn I heard something about Eddie Edwards touring for them a few months ago.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jun 11, 2012 21:41:44 GMT -5
I want ROH to do well too. Steen as champ is a step in the right direction, just need more colorful characters and come to Philly for the love of God
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 11, 2012 22:36:45 GMT -5
okay I just wanted to double check the Japan connection. I've talked to a few wrestlers that said the most appealing part of working for ROH in the past was the chance to go to Japan. I just didn't know how strong the connections were compared to years past.
On another note, as I say in all ROH threads, the biggest sour taste I have right now is how they book Adam Cole. Watching him grow in CZW I know how much charisma he has, and really, 2 years ago when he got rolling, he was being booked everywhere and in tournaments (including the Young Lions Cup) and then ROH signed him and his career has stagnated a bit. Him and O'Reily aren't a bad team (they are getting booked together in PWG), but that's the only thing that really happened to him that's positive in ROH.
Let him be the Panama City Playboy damnit
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 22:56:25 GMT -5
I think if NOAH wants a particular wrestler, whether it's an ROH guy or not, he'll get booked for NOAH. Same with New Japan or any company. If they feel like bringing over an American, they'll get them regardless of who they work for in the States.
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Post by kyromax on Jun 11, 2012 23:08:31 GMT -5
People still don't get it. When ROH and TNA does well, it is good for the wrestling buisness. Why you hope those companies fail, is idiotic.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jun 12, 2012 2:15:41 GMT -5
I personally don't hope RoH fails. But I would like someone to notice the numbers are down and go look at what they were doing when they were on fire. I don't get RoH, they fired Gabe who was ridiculed for being too serious and ended up with Delerious (one of their best comedy characters) as head booker with Cornette around to give input and they just got more serious and less fun.
They shouldn't do well if they can't please fans. That argument was bunk back when WCW and ECW were going down the drain. If you can't build a company with a future people look forward to and try to live off past glories you are just being lazy and bringing the business down.
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Post by Orange on Jun 12, 2012 12:56:04 GMT -5
So, ROH is like, SUPER SRS TIME now? If so, that sucks. I've never been a huge fan of ROH, but that doesn't even sound enjoyable to watch. Wrestling at its main point is, "I hate you and you hate me, let's go settle our differences in a square, roped contraction made of wood", it's damn absurd itself. To take that and to suck the fun out of it leaves it with...blech. In my opinion, anyway.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 12, 2012 13:25:32 GMT -5
So, ROH is like, SUPER SRS TIME now? If so, that sucks. I've never been a huge fan of ROH, but that doesn't even sound enjoyable to watch. Wrestling at its main point is, "I hate you and you hate me, let's go settle our differences in a square, roped contraction made of wood", it's damn absurd itself. To take that and to suck the fun out of it leaves it with...blech. In my opinion, anyway. I started watching ROH again when they made the jump to the sinclair networks, but the whole Davey/Eddie/Roddy thing was sooooo freakin' uninteresting that I was done in about a month. Even Jay Lethal was coming across as boring promo wise. I was planning on giving it another go now that Steen is champ, but I keep forgetting to record the damn show
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jun 12, 2012 14:51:02 GMT -5
I have been on board with RoH from day 1, and I can see what people are talking about. There has been too much seriousness lately. Edwards, Richards, O'Reilly, Cole, et. al. are good workers, but so bland. Cole is a funny thing; he has so much personality in CZW, but in RoH he's just another "bland wrestling machine." They need to let Cole be himself.
I said this in another thread, but I think they should sign Mike Mondo and Matt Taven full time. (Maybe they did sign Mondo, as he is on their roster page. Either way, they need to push him!)
Taven could be a fun babyface. He has decent size, and more importantly, he looks different.
On the surface, Mondo is doing the "angry serious wrestler." But he's almost doing a parody of it, and getting cheap wins and then boasting about being the best has a lot of potential in it.
Hell, even Jay Lethal has been boring. Here's a guy who was on the cusp of the main event in TNA, and they've solidified his midcard status in ROH. I'm not saying he needs to do impersinations of older wrestlers, but just let him have some personality and put him in the main event mix.
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 12, 2012 15:30:37 GMT -5
Pretty sure Mondo is a full time ROH performer.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 12, 2012 17:21:34 GMT -5
So, ROH is like, SUPER SRS TIME now? If so, that sucks. I've never been a huge fan of ROH, but that doesn't even sound enjoyable to watch. Wrestling at its main point is, "I hate you and you hate me, let's go settle our differences in a square, roped contraction made of wood", it's damn absurd itself. To take that and to suck the fun out of it leaves it with...blech. In my opinion, anyway. I started watching ROH again when they made the jump to the sinclair networks, but the whole Davey/Eddie/Roddy thing was sooooo freakin' uninteresting that I was done in about a month. Even Jay Lethal was coming across as boring promo wise. I was planning on giving it another go now that Steen is champ, but I keep forgetting to record the damn show This is pretty much exactly what happened to me and my friend. When they started putting their show on their website me and him started watching them at the same time... and after about a month neither of us ever brought it up again.
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