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Post by spec on Feb 26, 2012 18:54:48 GMT -5
And we have numerous films today with CGI somehow crappier than a move that came out in 1993. Incredible isn't it? I guess there was so much more pressure for it to work back then that they really went all out on making it perfect. Came in to remark on the amazing CGI. Still the best and most real looking i've ever seen in any movie.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Feb 26, 2012 19:06:12 GMT -5
Not to leave the animatronic dinos out either. They were awesome.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Feb 26, 2012 19:28:24 GMT -5
My favourite movie. The book expands on this but the dinosaurs that InGen creates are only partial reconstructions. Their DNA is completed with that from other animals. At most they are just hybrids, which can account for any diversions from real dinosaurs. But that does not account for Grant's fossils. In the book I am pretty sure he is a hadrosaur specialist which makes way more sense.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 26, 2012 19:37:17 GMT -5
Got the Blu Rays for Christmas, hadn't watched it in about 10 years. Amazing, and the first scene with the brontosaurus or brachiosaurus or whatever is one of the most stunning moments in all of film.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 26, 2012 19:53:28 GMT -5
And we have numerous films today with CGI somehow crappier than a move that came out in 1993. Speilberg was apparently hesistant to use CGI, thinking it meant "Nintendo-level" type of graphics. They went all-out to prove him wrong and the first shots they showed him knocked him on his ass. They poured a lot of love into those dinos.
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Post by Sc on Feb 26, 2012 20:27:33 GMT -5
And we have numerous films today with CGI somehow crappier than a move that came out in 1993. I was watching King Kong yesterday and the dinosaurs in that look like crap compared to Jurassic Park's dinos. Kong is pretty good though.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 26, 2012 21:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 26, 2012 21:55:40 GMT -5
They had plenty of staff in the novel (that thing about evacuating the island of everyone but the main characters for unexplained reasons never happened in the book) and it still went to hell. Also in novel Muldoon demanded guns but InGen denied his request because they didn't want the possibility of the dinosaurs being hurt or killed. I mean they refused to have a Dilophosaurus killed so they could do a autopsy to find out where it's venom sacs were and have removed to make them safer. Which seems rather shortsighted. Oh and nitpicky point (as if I wasn't nitpicking enough already), it's Laura Dern who loses her appetite after seeing the raptors not Jeff Goldblum. Though it is a fair point. I don't think the book explains why they bred raptors either. Maybe just because they could. There was a lot of that with InGen.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Feb 26, 2012 23:56:38 GMT -5
I just busted out the book again, it is well loved, and sports the "soon to be a major motion picture" emblem. It is yellow and worn, and kind of sad looking.
I also decided to watch the Lost World on DVD. Wow, it looks awful on my HD tv. The first flick still held up; this is dirty, full of artifacts, and looks like it was shot with Vaseline brand camera lenses.
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Post by mizerable on Feb 27, 2012 0:18:03 GMT -5
I was watching King Kong yesterday and the dinosaurs in that look like crap compared to Jurassic Park's dinos. Kong is pretty good though. It took me a second to realize you were referring to that 2005 piece of crap, and not the original. ...at least I hope you weren't referring to the original.
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Post by BHB on Feb 27, 2012 4:13:06 GMT -5
Though it is a fair point. I don't think the book explains why they bred raptors either. Maybe just because they could. There was a lot of that with InGen. In the book at least they just made dinosaurs, put them in eggs and waited to see what would come out - there was no way on knowing what it was until it hatched and even then they couldn't be sure until it grew. After spending all that time, money on effort on making something, they wouldn't want to get rid of it, even if it was dangerous. They were more focused on retaining their investment and making money than on safety.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 27, 2012 4:55:09 GMT -5
First, I will say that the one that I am more disappointed in having poorer CGI than JP is the Star Wars movies. Seriously, CGI Jabba looked so damned bad that I just cannot fathom why they did not just do a puppet and greenscreen that in instead. It sure seems to be right up Lucas's alley.
Second, while the movies were fine the book was a vastly superior story.
Third, the 2005 King Kong was fine. It certainly was a lot better than the '70's version (though Jessica Lange did look amazing and showed a little skin that I cannot show here on these forums).
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 27, 2012 5:30:43 GMT -5
So? Jurassic Park was off Costa Rica. No one ever said where the amber came from. A dinosaur doesn't spit venom either. As stated, Grant's dig was for Raptors in the US. And really,dinosaurs didn't have feathers until a few years back, so saying they didn't have venom is short sighted, we have no idea. Good points. My bad.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Mar 10, 2012 5:41:20 GMT -5
I picked up Tell Tale games Jurassic Park adventure game. Not a great, but if you are a fan of the movies and books it is well worth playing. They actually have journals that talk about a lot of the issue we brought up in this thread (dinos being the wrong size and such). It also bring sup how Sara Harding from the Lost World is the daughter of Doc Harding in the original. Which is glossed over in the Lost World book, but I don't think the movie says a word.
Pretty cool, worth playing, but it can be frustrating.
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Post by BHB on Mar 10, 2012 6:23:35 GMT -5
I picked up Tell Tale games Jurassic Park adventure game. Not a great, but if you are a fan of the movies and books it is well worth playing. They actually have journals that talk about a lot of the issue we brought up in this thread (dinos being the wrong size and such). It also bring sup how Sara Harding from the Lost World is the daughter of Doc Harding in the original. Which is glossed over in the Lost World book, but I don't think the movie says a word. Pretty cool, worth playing, but it can be frustrating. I spent a few house watching it all on youtube (it's basically the same as playing the game) and enjoyed it as a movie. It's just awesome to have any new JP media, especially set on Isla Nublar. Here's something thats bugged me about the books/movies for a while - firstly, why were there dinosaurs hatching in the labs at Jurassic Park (i.e. the raptor we see hatch) when Isla Sorna was the breeding centre and dinosaurs were shipped to Nublar when ready? Secondly, why were the embryos that Nedry steals even on Nublar if Sorna is where they make the dinosaurs? I can see them potentially shipping some eggs from Sorna to Nublar to hatch there (explaining the raptor hatchling), but why would they keep the embryos at the them park instead of in some lab on Sorna? The obvious answer is because at the time JP was written/filmed, Sorna didn't exist, but I'd like an in universe explanation. Granted, if Sorna did exist in the first movie then the embryos wouldn't have been on Nublar, we wouldn't have the raptor hatching on Nublar scene and Nedry wouldn't have shut down the park, meaning that no dinosaurs escape and half of the movie wouldn't have happened.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 10, 2012 6:53:17 GMT -5
Everything they saw was for show. The second book goes into more detail about this and the problems they had with births and raising them so they actually lived.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Mar 10, 2012 7:04:02 GMT -5
I saw it at the London iMax last year, was excellent to see it on the big screen again.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Mar 10, 2012 8:04:07 GMT -5
If you didn't, make sure to read the journals.
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Post by BHB on Mar 10, 2012 8:17:03 GMT -5
Everything they saw was for show. The second book goes into more detail about this and the problems they had with births and raising them so they actually lived. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to when they werent even supposed to go "behind the scenes" when they broke out of the Mr DNA ride. Sure, that tour did have a section a looking into a lab but that could easily be for show. Why would they have raptors hatching from eggs in an area where no one would really see "for show"? And what about the Embryos Nedry stole? Why were they there?
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Post by Secret Clown on Mar 10, 2012 8:47:55 GMT -5
I'd guess they had Embryos in both locations in case there was a bad storm (like in the 1st movie) and the lab got destroyed. It's always good to have a back up.
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